distorting Russia

[Yuri Zhivago]

http://www.thenation.com/article/178344/distorting-russia#
Sample:
Any doubts about the Obama administration’s real intentions in Ukraine should have been dispelled by the recently revealed taped conversation between a top State Department official, Victoria Nuland, and the US ambassador in Kiev. The media predictably focused on the source of the “leak” and on Nuland’s verbal “gaffe”—“[Unwelcome language removed] the EU.” But the essential revelation was that high-level US officials were plotting to “midwife” a new, anti-Russian Ukrainian government by ousting or neutralizing its democratically elected president—that is, a coup.

Americans are left with a new edition of an old question. Has Washington’s twenty-year winner-take-all approach to post-Soviet Russia shaped this degraded news coverage, or is official policy shaped by the coverage? Did Senator John McCain stand in Kiev alongside the well-known leader of an extreme nationalist party because he was ill informed by the media, or have the media deleted this part of the story because of McCain’s folly?


Read the whole thing at the link

 

[Macabee]

http://www.thenation.com/article/178344/distorting-russia#
Sample:
Any doubts about the Obama administration’s real intentions in Ukraine should have been dispelled by the recently revealed taped conversation between a top State Department official, Victoria Nuland, and the US ambassador in Kiev. The media predictably focused on the source of the “leak” and on Nuland’s verbal “gaffe”—“**** the EU.” But the essential revelation was that high-level US officials were plotting to “midwife” a new, anti-Russian Ukrainian government by ousting or neutralizing its democratically elected president—that is, a coup.

Americans are left with a new edition of an old question. Has Washington’s twenty-year winner-take-all approach to post-Soviet Russia shaped this degraded news coverage, or is official policy shaped by the coverage? Did Senator John McCain stand in Kiev alongside the well-known leader of an extreme nationalist party because he was ill informed by the media, or have the media deleted this part of the story because of McCain’s folly?


Read the whole thing at the link

Obama is backing Neo-Nazis in the form of two Nationalist parties- Pravy Sektor and Svoboda. I posted that yesterday.

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

Obama is backing Neo-Nazis in the form of two Nationalist parties- Pravy Sektor and Svoboda. I posted that yesterday.

yes he does. Sometimes you are right. Very rare though. The idiocy of US politics towards Russia, they reflexively side with anything and anybody against them , without even a second thought - what they are doing and who they are supporting

 

[Macabee]

yes he does. Sometimes you are right. Very rare though. The idiocy of US politics towards Russia, they reflexively side with anything and anybody against them , without even a second thought - what they are doing and who they are supporting

In the early 2000's the US had a unique opportunity to forge a beneficial long term alliance with Russia based on energy cooperation and fighting Islamism. This would have made both countries much stronger. Bush did not understand this and fucked it up by lecturing Putin after the Beslan School Massacre. This was a foreign policy disaster.

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

they still think Russia is an enemy of USA.
And that is after they helped with terrorists, Afghanistan, Iran negotiations, Syria for G'd sake etc etc.

 

[Macabee]

they still think Russia is an enemy of USA.
And that is after they helped with terrorists, Afghanistan, Iran negotiations, Syria for G'd sake etc etc.

And you also warned us about the Tsarnaevs........but DEM politicians didn't listen and let innocent women and children be killed and maimed.

 

[Minotaur]

I usually agree with you but I think this is oversimplifying based around the US news rather than the reality of Russia's latest aggressive action in arguably contested land aka go no further. It is not a US news problem, it seems to be the general consensus of the global community that the aggression should stop at Crimea. Granted there is a global and an American suspicion where Putin is concerned and it may be wise to be suspicious of motive. Basically though, this is about a second invasion under Putin.

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

I usually agree with you but I think this is oversimplifying based around the US news rather than the reality of Russia's latest aggressive action in arguably contested land aka go no further. It is not a US news problem, it seems to be the general consensus of the global community that the aggression should stop at Crimea. Granted there is a global and an American suspicion where Putin is concerned and it may be wise to be suspicious of motive. Basically though, this is about a second invasion under Putin.

Min, Check it out:
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

I usually agree with you but I think this is oversimplifying based around the US news rather than the reality of Russia's latest aggressive action in arguably contested land aka go no further. It is not a US news problem, it seems to be the general consensus of the global community that the aggression should stop at Crimea. Granted there is a global and an American suspicion where Putin is concerned and it may be wise to be suspicious of motive. Basically though, this is about a second invasion under Putin.

and if you have about 6 minutes check this out

 

[Minotaur]

Min, Check it out:
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

That may or may not be accurate. Misinformation happens whether on purpose or accidentally. I think the more important issue is there was an uprising and the people will decide what is right for their country. Russia is only on the hotseat for being the only country to posture an invasion and move into contested land threatening to attack their neighboring country. This is the second time they have invaded their neighbors. Lets hope they go no further. There is always a reason, made up or actual.

 

[Mytzlplk]

http://www.thenation.com/article/178344/distorting-russia#
Sample:
Any doubts about the Obama administration’s real intentions in Ukraine should have been dispelled by the recently revealed taped conversation between a top State Department official, Victoria Nuland, and the US ambassador in Kiev. The media predictably focused on the source of the “leak” and on Nuland’s verbal “gaffe”—“**** the EU.” But the essential revelation was that high-level US officials were plotting to “midwife” a new, anti-Russian Ukrainian government by ousting or neutralizing its democratically elected president—that is, a coup.

Americans are left with a new edition of an old question. Has Washington’s twenty-year winner-take-all approach to post-Soviet Russia shaped this degraded news coverage, or is official policy shaped by the coverage? Did Senator John McCain stand in Kiev alongside the well-known leader of an extreme nationalist party because he was ill informed by the media, or have the media deleted this part of the story because of McCain’s folly?


Read the whole thing at the link

well, at this point I have no doubts that what we're witnessing wouldn't have occurred but for the machinations of Americans in both an official and unofficial capacity.

I'd also agree that the media appears to be failing the public on this. If we're gonna make informed decisions we need to hear the whole story. My assessment so far is that those machinations don't provide sufficient justification for his actions, but that all SYG supporters should as a matter of principle be 100% on his side.

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

That may or may not be accurate. Misinformation happens whether on purpose or accidentally. I think the more important issue is there was an uprising and the people will decide what is right for their country. Russia is only on the hotseat for being the only country to posture an invasion and move into contested land threatening to attack their neighboring country. This is the second time they have invaded their neighbors. Lets hope they go no further. There is always a reason, made up or actual.

Min, "uprising"?
Think about it , dear Min. On the best day there was like may be a few thousands protesters on the Maidan square, and the population of Ukraine is about 45 million.
So , i would call it a coup by determined and passionate ultra RW fringe and Batkivshhina party, which went along with it

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

Min, "uprising"?
Think about it , dear Min. On the best day there was like may be a few thousands protesters on the Maidan square, and the population of Ukraine is about 45 million.
So , i would call it a coup by determined and passionate ultra RW fringe and Batkivshhina party, which went along with it

and another point, never mentioned in US press.
Yanukovich ,according to agreement witnessed and signed by a few European foreign ministers, went along with the opposition to hold an election in May.
So elect different leaders, what was the rush for a coup?

 

[PhilFish]

Min, "uprising"?
Think about it , dear Min. On the best day there was like may be a few thousands protesters on the Maidan square, and the population of Ukraine is about 45 million.
So , i would call it a coup by determined and passionate ultra RW fringe and Batkivshhina party, which went along with it

of course you would. which members of he current are from Svoboda and or Pravy Sektor?

 

[crowfoot]

http://www.thenation.com/article/178344/distorting-russia#
Sample:
Any doubts about the Obama administration’s real intentions in Ukraine should have been dispelled by the recently revealed taped conversation between a top State Department official, Victoria Nuland, and the US ambassador in Kiev. The media predictably focused on the source of the “leak” and on Nuland’s verbal “gaffe”—“**** the EU.” But the essential revelation was that high-level US officials were plotting to “midwife” a new, anti-Russian Ukrainian government by ousting or neutralizing its democratically elected president—that is, a coup.

Americans are left with a new edition of an old question. Has Washington’s twenty-year winner-take-all approach to post-Soviet Russia shaped this degraded news coverage, or is official policy shaped by the coverage? Did Senator John McCain stand in Kiev alongside the well-known leader of an extreme nationalist party because he was ill informed by the media, or have the media deleted this part of the story because of McCain’s folly?


Read the whole thing at the link

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/the-uk...himsy-of-international-law-1.2559980?cmp=fbtl

 

[Minotaur]

Min, "uprising"?
Think about it , dear Min. On the best day there was like may be a few thousands protesters on the Maidan square, and the population of Ukraine is about 45 million.
So , i would call it a coup by determined and passionate ultra RW fringe and Batkivshhina party, which went along with it

I cede to your perspective as I have no dog in this race. I pointed out some of the details for American media but certainly understand that someone who is invested in the outcome and has more awareness sees it differently than my own unaware perspective on the actual arena.

 

[Arkady]

yes he does. Sometimes you are right. Very rare though. The idiocy of US politics towards Russia, they reflexively side with anything and anybody against them , without even a second thought - what they are doing and who they are supporting

I'm not going to excuse US interference in the Ukraine. But neither can we excuse Russia. It wasn't the US that sent a massive number of troops in to resolve this issue, it was Russia. This requires a diplomatic and democratic solution, not a military one.

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

of course you would. which members of he current are from Svoboda and or Pravy Sektor?

the new Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council is Andriy Parubiy. He oversees national security for the nation having previously served as security commandant during the anti-government protests in Kiev.

Parubiy was the founder of the Social National Party of Ukraine.
The new Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych is a member of the far-right Svoboda party, which the World Jewish Congress called on the EU to consider banning last year along with Greece's Golden Dawn.

The party, which has long called for a "national revolution" in Ukraine, has endured a long march from relative obscurity in the early 90s. Their declaration that Ukraine is controlled by a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia" has raised fears for the safety of the country's Jewish population.

Svoboda now controls the ecology and agricultural ministry with Andriy Mokhnyk, the deputy head of Svoboda, running ecology and Ihor Shvaika as agriculture minister.

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

I'm not going to excuse US interference in the Ukraine. But neither can we excuse Russia. It wasn't the US that sent a massive number of troops in to resolve this issue, it was Russia. This requires a diplomatic and democratic solution, not a military one.

and note , Ark, not even one ounce of blood was shed in Crimea....
Strictly peaceful operation protecting Russian population.
I think after Iraq, Kosovo Lybia etc, we have no room to blame Russia for protecting his own people....

 

[PhilFish]

the new Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council is Andriy Parubiy. He oversees national security for the nation having previously served as security commandant during the anti-government protests in Kiev.

Parubiy was the founder of the Social National Party of Ukraine.
The new Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych is a member of the far-right Svoboda party, which the World Jewish Congress called on the EU to consider banning last year along with Greece's Golden Dawn.

The party, which has long called for a "national revolution" in Ukraine, has endured a long march from relative obscurity in the early 90s. Their declaration that Ukraine is controlled by a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia" has raised fears for the safety of the country's Jewish population.

Svoboda now controls the ecology and agricultural ministry with Andriy Mokhnyk, the deputy head of Svoboda, running ecology and Ihor Shvaika as agriculture minister.

they have distanced themselves from the anti semitic / facistic accusations over the recent years..