Do Democrats even know WHY they lost, and why they'll continue to lose

[Barbella]

unless they make a sharp pivot to the middle? Democrats lost mainly because a) white working-class people are sick and tired of being jobless and worrying about how to pay their bills (having hordes of illegals pour over the border looking for work doesn't help matters any.... and b) because religious voters are sick and tired of having their values attacked and destroyed.

Those, IMO, are the 2 main reasons. Of course hard-working, law-abiding people didn't take too kindly to being called "deplorable", either... LOL.

Since 2009, dems have lost 13 US Senate seats, 69 House seats, 12 governorships, and 30 state legislatures. Do you think that someone, somewhere in that party of 'elites' and 'uber-intellectuals' might just wake up one day and say to themselves... "Maybe it's US... not THEM?"

I doubt it. Their arrogance won't allow for that.

 

[UPNYA2]

unless they make a sharp pivot to the middle? Democrats lost mainly because a) white working-class people are sick and tired of being jobless and worrying about how to pay their bills (having hordes of illegals pour over the border looking for work doesn't help matters any.... and b) because religious voters are sick and tired of having their values attacked and destroyed.

Those, IMO, are the 2 main reasons. Of course hard-working, law-abiding people didn't take too kindly to being called "deplorable", either... LOL.

Since 2009, dems have lost 13 US Senate seats, 69 House seats, 12 governorships, and 30 state legislatures. Do you think that someone, somewhere in that party of 'elites' and 'uber-intellectuals' might just wake up one day and say to themselves... "Maybe it's US... not THEM?"

I doubt it. Their arrogance won't allow for that.

So true.

Sometimes it ain't the bow, sometimes it's the brave.

Yet another of life's simple lessons that so many on the left obviously never learned.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

unless they make a sharp pivot to the middle? Democrats lost mainly because a) white working-class people are sick and tired of being jobless and worrying about how to pay their bills (having hordes of illegals pour over the border looking for work doesn't help matters any.... and b) because religious voters are sick and tired of having their values attacked and destroyed.

Those, IMO, are the 2 main reasons. Of course hard-working, law-abiding people didn't take too kindly to being called "deplorable", either... LOL.

Since 2009, dems have lost 13 US Senate seats, 69 House seats, 12 governorships, and 30 state legislatures. Do you think that someone, somewhere in that party of 'elites' and 'uber-intellectuals' might just wake up one day and say to themselves... "Maybe it's US... not THEM?"

I doubt it. Their arrogance won't allow for that.

Actually, Dems gained seats in Congress. And Hillary lost because she drifted too far into "the middle," not because she stayed too far left. If she had run on populist appeal, Trump would not have been able to dupe disaffected rubes into thinking that he cares about them and will go to bat for them.

 

[Barbella]

Actually, Dems gained seats in Congress. And Hillary lost because she drifted too far into "the middle," not because she stayed too far left. If she had run on populist appeal, Trump would not have been able to dupe disaffected rubes into thinking that he cares about them and will go to bat for them.

HAHAHAHAHA! And there you go... predictably NOT having learned a damn thing. Good for sane people, huh? Keep on thinking that...

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

HAHAHAHAHA! And there you go... predictably NOT having learned a damn thing. Good for sane people, huh? Keep on thinking that...

Address what I said about Congress and the prez race, if you can.

 

[as seen on tv]

there's little sign democrats are about to make a "pivot" to the middle. Various pundits and news sources have the party turning left.

One MIGHT be able to make a case that Chuck Schumer's ascension to Senate minority leader is a sign of moderation. But we need to temper that with the realization that he made Bernie Sanders his right hand man.

In fact, most papers now tell us that Sanders and Warren are "in control" of the democrat party, whatever that means.

It certainly doesn't mean a democrat victory in the 2020 presidential race, unless Trump screws up as badly as Obama has.

Democrats' idea of "reaching out to the middle class" always seem to involve things like:

• "free college", paid for by higher taxes on corporations, driving more jobs offshore.
• "$15 minimum wage", which elminiates starter jobs for young people and students, where they acquire important skills and experience for later in life.
• "global warming" - because democrat firmly believe we're all eventually going to be underwater, even though a dozen due dates for NYC to drown have come and gone without incident.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

there's little sign democrats are about to make a "pivot" to the middle. Various pundits and news sources have the party turning left.

One MIGHT be able to make a case that Chuck Schumer's ascension to Senate minority leader is a sign of moderation. But we need to temper that with the realization that he made Bernie Sanders his right hand man.

In fact, most papers now tell us that Sanders and Warren are "in control" of the democrat party, whatever that means.

It certainly doesn't mean a democrat victory in the 2020 presidential race, unless Trump screws up as badly as Obama has.

Democrats' idea of "reaching out to the middle class" always seem to involve things like:

• "free college", paid for by higher taxes on corporations, driving more jobs offshore.
• "$15 minimum wage", which elminiates starter jobs for young people and students, where they acquire important skills and experience for later in life.
• "global warming" - because democrat firmly believe we're all eventually going to be underwater, even though a dozen due dates for NYC to drown have come and gone without incident.

If Trump screws up as badly as Obama has?

You mean, for example, tripled stock markets and record breaking streaks of jobs growth and economic growth, with no recessions starting under his watch?

That "badly"?

;-)

 

[Dawg]

Address what I said about Congress and the prez race, if you can.

It's her thread, you don't control anything..........White House=House and Senate controlled by Republicans............Dem/Libs rejected, kicked to the curb, stay with Pelosi ☻

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

It's her thread, you don't control anything..........White House=House and Senate controlled by Republicans............Dem/Libs rejected, kicked to the curb, stay with Pelosi ☻

You too. Address what I said, if you can.

 

[Dawg]

If Trump screws up as badly as Obama has?

You mean, for example, tripled stock markets and record breaking streaks of jobs growth and economic growth, with no recessions starting under his watch?

That "badly"?

;-)

Θ only has anything to do with stock market when it's UP............you never posted when it was down..........

 

[Dawg]

You too. Address what I said, if you can.

thread jacker

 

[Barbella]

Address what I said about Congress and the prez race, if you can.

I should have said NET loss, maybe then you'll get it?

And no... Hillary didn't "drift too far into the middle". She let Sanders push her more and more to the left, fortunately for Trump. She sided with the BLM movement against the police, which many law-abiding people saw as an attack on themselves. She promoted government-run health care despite the huge deficits we have, ditto free college etc.

Sane people know that nothing is free, and you know what? If college is free, that takes away a huge impetus for graduating with honors, or even graduating, period. There IS no such thing as a free lunch... if you gotta pay for it, you'll appreciate it more and work harder... not a bad thing...

Gun control? LOL... we don't even need to talk about that, do we?

Bill Clinton ran on the economy and job creation, and won. Had she done the same thing instead of focusing on racism, further dividing the country.... promising more free cheese for slackers, and threatened the 2nd amendment, she might have had a shot. Luckily, she screwed the pooch... LOL

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Actually, Dems gained seats in Congress. And Hillary lost because she drifted too far into "the middle," not because she stayed too far left. If she had run on populist appeal, Trump would not have been able to dupe disaffected rubes into thinking that he cares about them and will go to bat for them.

I thought she lost because of Comey.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

I should have said NET loss, maybe then you'll get it?

And no... Hillary didn't "drift too far into the middle". She let Sanders push her more and more to the left, fortunately for Trump. She sided with the BLM movement against the police, which many law-abiding people saw as an attack on themselves. She promoted government-run health care despite the huge deficits we have, ditto free college etc.

Sane people know that nothing is free, and you know what? If college is free, that takes away a huge impetus for graduating with honors, or even graduating, period. There IS no such thing as a free lunch... if you gotta pay for it, you'll appreciate it more and work harder... not a bad thing...

Gun control? LOL... we don't even need to talk about that, do we?

Bill Clinton ran on the economy and job creation, and won. Had she done the same thing instead of focusing on promising more free cheese for slackers, and threatened the 2nd amendment, she might have had a shot. Luckily, she screwed the pooch... LOL

Other than the first sentence of your last paragraph, you spew hooey. A collection of GOP canards.

But that one sentence repeats what I said - Hillary lost because she did not expressly focus on reducing economic inequity. Economic issues. If she had pursued progressive economic solutions such as Sanders, she would have won. Trump filled that void with his flam-flam bullshit.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Θ only has anything to do with stock market when it's UP............you never posted when it was down..........

And now they say Trump is making it go up too fast! They're never happy!

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/14/investing/stock-market-record-high-donald-trump/index.html

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

I thought she lost because of Comey.

Not just Comey. See my other thread listing all the pro-Trump election rigging.

The point here is that, if she had run a progressive campaign, especially on economic issues, she would have won the electoral vote despite all the rigging that occurred. She still trounced Trump in the popular vote.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Other than the first sentence of your last paragraph, you spew hooey. A collection of GOP canards.

But that one sentence repeats what I said - Hillary lost because she did not expressly focus on reducing economic inequity. Economic issues. If she had pursued progressive economic solutions such as Sanders, she would have won. Trump filled that void with his flam-flam bullshit.

Translation: I cannot possibly overcome the landslide of facts you just hit me with. It's best I simply make a blanket hooey dismissal and hope you don't push the issue.

 

[Dawg]

Not just Comey. See my other thread listing all the pro-Trump election rigging.

The point here is that, if she had run a progressive campaign, especially on economic issues, she would have won the electoral vote despite all the rigging that occurred. She still trounced Trump in the popular vote.

What did she win with popular vote_____________________notta

She won popular vote in 2008, what did she win______________SOS

 

[Barbella]

Other than the first sentence of your last paragraph, you spew hooey. A collection of GOP canards.

But that one sentence repeats what I said - Hillary lost because she did not expressly focus on reducing economic inequity. Economic issues. If she had pursued progressive economic solutions such as Sanders, she would have won. Trump filled that void with his flam-flam bullshit.

If "working harder" is a "GOP canard", then I'll be only too happy to identify myself as a GOP'er.

You obviously believe in free cheese for everyone, so no... we're not ever likely to agree on that issue... or any other issue probably.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Not just Comey. See my other thread listing all the pro-Trump election rigging.

The point here is that, if she had run a progressive campaign, especially on economic issues, she would have won the electoral vote despite all the rigging that occurred. She still trounced Trump in the popular vote.

Yes, I saw your post about Hillary and how she "trounced" Trump in the popular vote: by 0.76%.