Early polling on Ryan pick disappointing.
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NightSwimmer
Senator
Hmmm...
Who woulda thunk that the Romney campaign's pandering to the base wouldn't broaden their support?
Duh???
Who woulda thunk that the Romney campaign's pandering to the base wouldn't broaden their support?
Duh???
GordonGecko
President
"Ryan scores lowest poll numbers since Quayle"???
Oh my - that can't be good.
That combined with Romney scoring lower than Bob Dole in 1996 for "liked by his own Party as Nominee".
jammer
Mayor
It amazes me that the republicons could pick two candidates that they themselves can't stand and have any hope of winning in November. Ryan is the Ebenezer Scrooge of the House, except he never listens to the ghosts...
First Collector: I don't think you quite understand us, sir. A few of us are endeavoring to buy the poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth.
Ebenezer Ryan: Why?
First Collector: I don't think you quite understand us, sir. A few of us are endeavoring to buy the poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth.
Ebenezer Ryan: Why?
GordonGecko
President
It is remarkable, jammer.
First they are stuck with Romney, who most of them opposed and many on the Right called a "RINO" for over a year. But he BOUGHT the Primaries "fair and square" so now they're forced to defend a guy they don't like and don't trust.
Then along comes Ryan....who scares the crap out of....OTHER REPUBLICANS and moved the debate away from the economy (where Mitt and the GOP wanted it) to entitlements (where the President and Democrats wanted it).
First they are stuck with Romney, who most of them opposed and many on the Right called a "RINO" for over a year. But he BOUGHT the Primaries "fair and square" so now they're forced to defend a guy they don't like and don't trust.
Then along comes Ryan....who scares the crap out of....OTHER REPUBLICANS and moved the debate away from the economy (where Mitt and the GOP wanted it) to entitlements (where the President and Democrats wanted it).
A silly analogy. The people trying to get a donation from Scrooge represented a private organization soliciting voluntary donations.
The people attempting to get Ryan's vote in the House represent a government that sought higher taxation -- a very different thing from a voluntary contribution. If the Dickensian charity were to use the direct analogy they'd have said, "Mr. Scrooge, we want you to allow us to make your neighbors, yourself, and everyone in the country provide the poor some meat and drink and means of warmth, involuntarily and in perpetuity."
"Thomas Sowell
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
LeRoy_Was_Here
Senator
"Ryan scores lowest poll numbers since Quayle"???
Oh my - that can't be good.
LeRoy: My advice to Mitt Rmoney would be to admit his mistake, dump Paul Ryan, and pick Dan Quayle as his running mate.
Dan is tanned, rested, and ready.
TomFitz
Mayor
That's what eventually happened. Working men rose up and demanded their share of the fruits of their labor.
Which is how Britain and the United States eventually became middle class countries. If it were up to the Scrooges and the Robber Barons, we'd all still be living in cold water tenaments.
Gramps
Mayor
Tanned, rested, and ready, and EXPERIENCED. Experience seems to be the biggest clitch anymore. Yeah! Hurrah! Go Dan.
Gramps
Gramps
So -- that means the progressives have already won that battle. Why do they keep asking for more?
NightSwimmer
Senator
Palin was down here with Quayle's numbers.
She's tanned, rested and not ready.
What was he thinking in picking Ryan, this convention coming up should be a riot.
NightSwimmer
Senator
More progress?
degsme
Council Member
Because starting about 40 years ago, the rich in the USA hit upon a meme that under-educated white males like yourself, found resonant. And so you started voting against your own interests.
Degs -- we've been at this for too long for me to believe you meant that as a personal insult. Nonetheless, you may describe me in many terms, but "under-educated" is not an applicable one.
"Memes" can't operate in a vacuum. Why do you think ANY white males (or any of the other 100 million + people who will vote Republican in November) found the meme resonant?
More social programs. He had opined that Ryan was a Scrooge. I replied that unlike the charity-men soliciting Scrooge, those soliciting votes from Ryan were not soliciting merely his own money offered via his on volition -- they were instead asking that Ryan endorse them taking money from everyone, in perpetuity. The response was that the programs that did that were put in place when the "working class" demanded them. That being the case, do we see the working class demanding more of them today? I think not.
GordonGecko
President
trap, the entire history of the country has been "progressive"....from when in the 1830s they let non-property owners have suffrage.
There's never been a period where "conservatism" has won for very long, has there?
There's never been a period where "conservatism" has won for very long, has there?
