End winner take all in the electoral college and let the true voice of the people be heard.

[Raoul_Luke]

The winner takes all version of the EC isn't what the framers intended. In fact they thought the people (or the legislature or the governor) would pick electors and the electors would vote on the president...is that what you'd like to have? They did not intend for people to cast a vote for president at all.

Regardless of how the electors are chosen, the way the EC system was designed to reflect the balance against the majority that the framers put into the bicameral legislature. And yes, that is precisely what I "would like to have." The alternative is the country being run by the same people who have run every major city and a number of states into the ground.

 

[EatTheRich]

Yes, in the US, the minority IS "privileged" as opposed to the minorities in, well, "democracies" where a simple majority rules. Which is why the founders went out of their way to create a system that was not based merely on the 50%+1 can easily cram their agenda down everybody's throats.

Right. To protect their personal special interests as planters, lawyers, and merchants at the expense of the general interest.

 

[EatTheRich]

Regardless of how the electors are chosen, the way the EC system was designed to reflect the balance against the majority that the framers put into the bicameral legislature. And yes, that is precisely what I "would like to have." The alternative is the country being run by the same people who have run every major city and a number of states into the ground.

The masses have “run every major city and a number of states into the ground”?

 

[protectionist]

That imbalance was purposely baked into the Constitution. We would have to change it to change that. What I am talking about does not change the Constitution but it does go towards leveling that imbalance.

Their voices are still outsized but they wouldn't be outsized, and completely one sided, regardless of how the people who live there voted.

What you are calling for is the same thing as just determining who would become president based on the entire US popular vote, thereby trashing the electoral college system.

 

[middleview]

What you are calling for is the same thing as just determining who would become president based on the entire US popular vote, thereby trashing the electoral college system.

The EC is not what the founding fathers designed. It morphed into this before the civil war. The current system tells democrats in red states to stay home. Republicans in California and New York...don't bother.

 

[BackAlive]

Electoral College=A set up for White Slave owners to hold to power

 

[middleview]

Electoral College=A set up for White Slave owners to hold to power

And as Trump showed, the easiest way to rig the election.

 

[BackAlive]

And as Trump showed, the easiest way to rig the election.

The Electoral College is an outdated joke

 

[Spamature]

What you are calling for is the same thing as just determining who would become president based on the entire US popular vote, thereby trashing the electoral college system.

You would have to change the Constitution in order to elect by popular vote. That is not going to happen, but you can change how the EC is counted to make it fair for people in states where their votes don't count because of the winner takes all system.

 

[middleview]

You would have to change the Constitution in order to elect by popular vote. That is not going to happen, but you can change how the EC is counted to make it fair for people in states where their votes don't count because of the winner takes all system.

There is an effort to do just that a number of states have signed up to commit all their electors to whoever wins the national popular vote..

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[Zam-Zam]

The EC is part of the Constitution. But the Constitution does not say that anyone who wins a state should get all of its EC votes. All of the liberals in Mississippi and the conservatives in California should not have their voices shut out by a system that makes their votes meaningless when all of the EC votes go to only one candidate.

A few voters in swing states should not decide the elections for the entire country. Nor should we have the election decided on razor thin margins in a Florida or Pennsylvania. The only fair way to do things is to divide the EC votes based upon the the percentage of votes each candidate gets in that state.

That way everyone's voice is equal and all votes are counted.

My guess is that will not happen in our lifetimes.

I'm okay with that...But then, I like the Constitution.

 

[middleview]

My guess is that will not happen in our lifetimes.

I'm okay with that...But then, I like the Constitution.

even the part about people who engage in an insurrection not being allowed to hold office?

 

[protectionist]

You would have to change the Constitution in order to elect by popular vote. That is not going to happen, but you can change how the EC is counted to make it fair for people in states where their votes don't count because of the winner takes all system.

This shows a complete lack of understanding of what a state is. States are COUNTRIES within a unity.

 

[BackAlive]

This shows a complete lack of understanding of what a state is. States are COUNTRIES within a unity.

What???...Complete babbling non sense

 

[Spamature]

This shows a complete lack of understanding of what a state is. States are COUNTRIES within a unity.

No, SCOTUS just rule in Co that they aren't when it comes to POTUS elections.
They are under federal authority and congress must make the rules.

 

[protectionist]

No, SCOTUS just rule in Co that they aren't when it comes to POTUS elections.
They are under federal authority and congress must make the rules.

That shows all the more, that you don't understand what states are.
States are COUNTRIES within a unity.

 

[Spamature]

That shows all the more, that you don't understand what states are.
States are COUNTRIES within a unity.

Not when it come to federal elections, as per the Constitution.

Section 4 Congress

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators

 

[protectionist]

Not when it come to federal elections, as per the Constitution.

Section 4 Congress

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators

Especially when it comes to federal elections. That is what the electoral college is all about. Respect for the states as individual, cultural entities (aka "nations")

If there were not those nationalistic recognitions, federal elections would be by popular vote.

 

[Spamature]

Especially when it comes to federal elections. That is what the electoral college is all about. Respect for the states as individual, cultural entities (aka "nations")

If there were not those nationalistic recognitions, federal elections would be by popular vote.

But you would have to change the Constitution to have a popular vote.
The GOP would never go for that because it loses the popular vote on a regular basis.

 

[protectionist]

But you would have to change the Constitution to have a popular vote.
The GOP would never go for that because it loses the popular vote on a regular basis.

It only loses the popular vote with illegal aliens, and that Is only in certain states.