as seen on tv
Senator
Why do the nations with the quickest, and most severe restrictions (china and italy) have the highest rates of infection and death?
Excuse me. I have a question . . .
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BobbyT
Governor
Until this plays out we don't know who has the highest rates of infection and death. This is just a snapshot in time.
as seen on tv
Senator
Its a fact. China and italy have the vast majority of infections and deaths.
Why cant we ask about the reasons?
Zam-Zam
Senator
Italy has nationalized health care, no?
And a population less that a fifth of the U.S.'s.
I can't say with authority why it's so much more severe there than in the U.S., I just know it is.
Also, keep an eye on Spain, another country with nationalized health care.
BobbyT
Governor
Currently. We don't know what the final tallies will be for any country. You can speculate as to why China and Italy currently have more infections and deaths but I don't know why you'd bother. Transmissions occur by human-to-human contact and proximity. Now you know how they happen, can you imagine ways to curtail the number of transmissions? For example isolating those who have it? Not gathering in large groups? Maintaining your distance from other people? Washing your hands after you touch things that other people may have touched?
1. It wasn't the "quickest" for China who knew about this virus since at least last November.
2. Italy had a lot of Chinese workers that came in for their leather business in the north and those workers were flying back and forth bringing the virus to Italy.
Google for details.
The Left prefers you don't ask the important questions.
EatTheRich
President
Life expectancy in Italy=82.54
Life expectancy in Spain=82.83
Life expectancy in U.S.=78.69
What was that about having a healthier population?
Since fewer than 10,000 Americans have been tested, there could be a huge number of unreported infections and unattributed deaths.
as seen on tv
Senator
Im.not sure nationalized healthcare prevents coronavirus if theres no vaccine yet. My specific concern is that strict shutdowns in china and italy had no effect on infection rates.
as seen on tv
Senator
Italy is claiming that their slightly longer life expectancy is the reason so many people are getting sick and dropping like flies from corona virus. Since the american life expectancy differences have been associated with car crashes, opiod addiction, and a different way of classifying "viable newborns" , I'm not sure the healthcare delivery bureaucracy in italy should get any credit as a boon to long life.
I'm trying to discover if 'social sdstancing' helps stop the virus, or is just a government scam to keep people preoccupied, like reporting neighbotscforcwatering their gardens during a drought. Mobilizing and getting people to inform on each other is a longstanding totalitarian tactic.
They closed the schools here. It's a paid vacation for teachers. The kids are now at spring break, or roaming the streets, or at McDonald's. How does that prevent transmission?
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EatTheRich
President
Parents are supposed to keep the kids at home. Teachers are very busy preparing for online instruction.
Bo Didleysquat
Mayor
Italy took the laggard response approach the US has. The US will never approach the societal ramp up China (with Cuban antivirals by the way that you won't get the benefit of) or S Korea achieved to blunt the infection curve.
Bo Didleysquat
Mayor
Supposed to. Their not supposed to hoard either.
as seen on tv
Senator
Teachers dont prepare inline courses. Textbook publishers do.
Working parents cant stay home with their kids if they are
1. Police
2. Fire
3. Medical
4. Trash collection
5. Transit workers
6. Military
7. Mail carriers
8. Delivery drivers
9. Road maintenance
10. Retail workers
11. Etc etc
Boca
Governor
Maybe increased Chinese investments (and interactions) in Italy and the necessary travel back and forth?
Geopolitical tensions are heightened between the United States, the European Union and China after Italy joined China’s Belt and Road initiative last week. [March 2019] During a visit from Chinese President Xi Jinping, the two countries inked 29 deals equal to $2.8 billion. The agreement draws Italy into China’s sphere – to the chagrin of the United States and Europe – and increases economic ties between the two countries. Consequently, Italy is the first European Union and G7 member to join the initiative.
Chinese firms have a tendency to invest in those sectors in which the host country enjoys a particular competitive advantage, and for them what matters is Italy's excellent design expertise, innovation and technology, as well as its strategic position as an important sea-gateway to Europe.
One of the leading Italian investment sectors for Chinese companies is the automotive industry, where Chinese firms aim to improve their technical know-how. A dynamic area is the one around the northern city of Turin, where three major Chinese companies are operating successfully.
This next one in particular.....
Another strategic area is logistics. Italy can be considered as a central Mediterranean hub with one of the most capillary networks in Europe, with 18 logistics terminals in operation and five under construction. Such infrastructure advantages have thus attracted major Chinese logistics operators such as China Ocean Shipping Corporation (COSCO) and China Shipping Corporation.
Machinery is the third leading field for Chinese investments. The recent takeover of Italian CIFA by China's Zoomlion is so far the largest acquisition in Italy and the second in Europe.
Boca
Governor
Trump signed a National Emergency Declaration 13 days after the first American death in Seattle.
Obama signed a National Emergency Declaration, Oct. 24, 2009, 6 months after the Swine flu outbreak and 1000 dead.
now shut up
Bugsy McGurk
President
Because they waited too long to impose mandatory quarantine/travel restrictions. Just like we’re doing now.
