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American Patriot

American Patriot

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The resent executive action taken by Obama is now coming into question as the Congress is now determining if in fact he broke the law. Prior to the elections Obama stated he did not have the authority to take this action on illegal aliens. Now he seems to have flip flopped. Most certainly what Obama has done is not the way it should have been done. Congress can in fact deny funding for such action and Obama's order will not be able to move forward. This in fact may be the best course of action to take. Obama seems somehow to believe he is above the law and that he can do whatever he wants to do. He may be in for a big surprise.
 
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American Patriot said:
The resent executive action taken by Obama is now coming into question as the Congress is now determining if in fact he broke the law. Prior to the elections Obama stated he did not have the authority to take this action on illegal aliens. Now he seems to have flip flopped. Most certainly what Obama has done is not the way it should have been done. Congress can in fact deny funding for such action and Obama's order will not be able to move forward. This in fact may be the best course of action to take. Obama seems somehow to believe he is above the law and that he can do whatever he wants to do. He may be in for a big surprise.
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Try reading exactly what Obama said he did not have the authority to do and see how it matches up to what he did. Then see if you can reconcile how George HW Bush used executive orders to change the immigration law passed when Reagan was in office....That aughtta make your head explode....

Following Hurricane Katrina in 2005, for instance, President George W. Bush invoked prosecutorial discretion that September to temporarily suspend for 45 days enforcement of employer sanctions.
Bush’s head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Julie L. Myers, declared in a Nov. 7, 2007, memo the “importance of exercising prosecutorial discretion when making administrative arrest and custody determinations for aliens who are nursing mothers.”
President George H.W. Bush expanded a family program to cover more than 1.5 million unauthorized spouses and children.

http://www.thestate.com/2014/11/19/3822985/would-an-obama-immigration-order.html#storylink=cpy
 
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middleview said:
Try reading exactly what Obama said he did not have the authority to do and see how it matches up to what he did. Then see if you can reconcile how George HW Bush used executive orders to change the immigration law passed when Reagan was in office....That aughtta make your head explode....

Following Hurricane Katrina in 2005, for instance, President George W. Bush invoked prosecutorial discretion that September to temporarily suspend for 45 days enforcement of employer sanctions.
Bush’s head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Julie L. Myers, declared in a Nov. 7, 2007, memo the “importance of exercising prosecutorial discretion when making administrative arrest and custody determinations for aliens who are nursing mothers.”
President George H.W. Bush expanded a family program to cover more than 1.5 million unauthorized spouses and children.

http://www.thestate.com/2014/11/19/3822985/would-an-obama-immigration-order.html#storylink=cpy
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This may be all true the critical difference however is that Bush did this with Congressional approval not just on his own as Obama has done.
 
American Patriot said:
The resent executive action taken by Obama is now coming into question as the Congress is now determining if in fact he broke the law. Prior to the elections Obama stated he did not have the authority to take this action on illegal aliens. Now he seems to have flip flopped. Most certainly what Obama has done is not the way it should have been done. Congress can in fact deny funding for such action and Obama's order will not be able to move forward. This in fact may be the best course of action to take. Obama seems somehow to believe he is above the law and that he can do whatever he wants to do. He may be in for a big surprise.
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Congress cannot, in fact, "deny funding" for a program they don't fund.

The only options even being discussed as a counter strategy are whether to shut down the government or just nickle-nose it with short term spending bills.

They say there will be no shutdown. Bank on the toothless stunt of employing strategy #2. They will, once again, piss on your leg and tell you it's raining.
 
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zzigzzag said:
Congress cannot, in fact, "deny funding" for a program they don't fund.

The only options even being discussed as a counter strategy are whether to shut down the government or just nickle-nose it with short term spending bills.

They say there will be no shutdown. Bank on the toothless stunt of employing strategy #2. They will, once again, piss on your leg and tell you it's raining.
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The omnibus bill that will be passed by Congress next week... waiting until the very last second... will fund the Government until September 2015. The Department of Homeland Security, however, will only be funded for 60 to 90 days. The Pubs are spewing that by not funding DHS, they aren't funding the President's executive order. That's bogus and nothing but propaganda. The visa program is funded by fees. There is a separate revenue stream which will allow any and all of the executive order to proceed. Not funding DHS will only encourage the terrorists... "embolden the enemy" (Pubs words during the last Administration). But, I honestly do believe this pathetic bunch of Pubs in Congress would love to see a terrorist strike on our home soil, just so they could place the blame on the POTUS. If the Pubs refuse to fund DHS, and that strategy have zero effect on the work visa program, and we do have a terrorist strike... whose fault is it????
 
Klunker said:
The omnibus bill that will be passed by Congress next week... waiting until the very last second... will fund the Government until September 2015. The Department of Homeland Security, however, will only be funded for 60 to 90 days. The Pubs are spewing that by not funding DHS, they aren't funding the President's executive order. That's bogus and nothing but propaganda. The visa program is funded by fees. There is a separate revenue stream which will allow any and all of the executive order to proceed. Not funding DHS will only encourage the terrorists... "embolden the enemy" (Pubs words during the last Administration). But, I honestly do believe this pathetic bunch of Pubs in Congress would love to see a terrorist strike on our home soil, just so they could place the blame on the POTUS. If the Pubs refuse to fund DHS, and that strategy have zero effect on the work visa program, and we do have a terrorist strike... whose fault is it????
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Pugs don't care about anything but winning elections.

Rush is telling them to shut the government down again because it had "no negative effect on anyone's lives" last time. The proof? They won an election after flushing $28 billion down the toilet as a stunt while the country struggles to recover from a recession.

So, yes. If they facilitate a terrorist attack, they will decide whether or not it was a good move after the next election.
 
American Patriot said:
The resent executive action taken by Obama is now coming into question as the Congress is now determining if in fact he broke the law. Prior to the elections Obama stated he did not have the authority to take this action on illegal aliens. Now he seems to have flip flopped. Most certainly what Obama has done is not the way it should have been done. Congress can in fact deny funding for such action and Obama's order will not be able to move forward. This in fact may be the best course of action to take. Obama seems somehow to believe he is above the law and that he can do whatever he wants to do. He may be in for a big surprise.
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Take him to court. Meanwhile, give us a break.
 
American Patriot said:
The resent executive action taken by Obama is now coming into question as the Congress is now determining if in fact he broke the law. Prior to the elections Obama stated he did not have the authority to take this action on illegal aliens. Now he seems to have flip flopped. Most certainly what Obama has done is not the way it should have been done. Congress can in fact deny funding for such action and Obama's order will not be able to move forward. This in fact may be the best course of action to take. Obama seems somehow to believe he is above the law and that he can do whatever he wants to do. He may be in for a big surprise.
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I see that you don't do research on your claim. I'd be embarrassed...right wing bot.
 
write on said:
I see that you don't do research on your claim. I'd be embarrassed...right wing bot.
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Klunker did it for him. He's done until the next, stupid, uninformed rant about nothing.
 
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American Patriot said:
The resent executive action taken by Obama is now coming into question as the Congress is now determining if in fact he broke the law. Prior to the elections Obama stated he did not have the authority to take this action on illegal aliens. Now he seems to have flip flopped. Most certainly what Obama has done is not the way it should have been done. Congress can in fact deny funding for such action and Obama's order will not be able to move forward. This in fact may be the best course of action to take. Obama seems somehow to believe he is above the law and that he can do whatever he wants to do. He may be in for a big surprise.
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I hope Democrats realize that ALL presidents want power. They all do. And the precedence that is being set by Obama is going to haunt us all in 2016 as much as it does now and though some of us may enjoy it when the Republicans are in power........... they, Democrats, are going to hate it and probably be oblivious to the fact that their President set them up for what's to come.
 
Jen said:
I hope Democrats realize that ALL presidents want power. They all do. And the precedence that is being set by Obama is going to haunt us all in 2016 as much as it does now and though some of us may enjoy it when the Republicans are in power........... they, Democrats, are going to hate it and probably be oblivious to the fact that their President set them up for what's to come.
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Truth be told, I am more worried about these:

Obama’s use of executive power is not unprecedented compared with previous presidents, however. George W. Bush signed several controversial “signing statements” that claimed he had the power to disregard certain provisions of a law, a presidential action that historians trace back to James Monroe.​

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-executive-orders/

Thanks a lot, Munroe.
 
BitterPill said:
Truth be told, I am more worried about these:

Obama’s use of executive power is not unprecedented compared with previous presidents, however. George W. Bush signed several controversial “signing statements” that claimed he had the power to disregard certain provisions of a law, a presidential action that historians trace back to James Monroe.​

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-executive-orders/

Thanks a lot, Munroe.
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The fact is that Bush was getting writer's cramp with those freakin' signing statements....Obama's used it twice.
 
zzigzzag said:
But Obama is left handed!!!! You can't see the difference?!!!!

Clowns.
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You may be on to something. Since 1974, only two Presidents have been right-handed... Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush. Should that tell us anything about one of the attributes we need to look for in the Presidential candidates for 2016??? :>)
 
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