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It's definitely enjoyable to see the lefties on the board confronted with that most elusive creature around here - an actual muslim. Not the often-discussed but seldom seen muslim of lefty lore, mind you, but a real one, complete with the female circumcision, honor killings and subjugation of women. Carry on...
 
It's definitely enjoyable to see the lefties on the board confronted with that most elusive creature around here - an actual muslim. Not the often-discussed but seldom seen muslim of lefty lore, mind you, but a real one, complete with the female circumcision, honor killings and subjugation of women. Carry on...

You did a pretty good job with the sacoooo character.
 
You did a pretty good job with the sacoooo character.

Given that sacoooo only copies and pastes material widely available on the web, rather than trying to engage in actual discussion of the issues, I'm suspicious about his/her/its identity. I'm not saying it's Marvin. But it could easily be a right-winger posting in character.
 
It's definitely enjoyable to see the lefties on the board confronted with that most elusive creature around here - an actual muslim. Not the often-discussed but seldom seen muslim of lefty lore, mind you, but a real one, complete with the female circumcision, honor killings and subjugation of women. Carry on...

Out of curiosity, do you know any Muslims, in real life? I work with a lot of South Asian engineers. Most are Hindu, but three are Muslim. You'd never know, other than their disappearing for ablution and prayer occasionally. Other than that, their personalities and attitudes fit right in with the Hindus, Christians, and assorted non-believers in their departments... they're all more peculiar for having "engineering personalities' than for anything having to do with their religion.
 
Given that sacoooo only copies and pastes material widely available on the web, rather than trying to engage in actual discussion of the issues, I'm suspicious about his/her/its identity. I'm not saying it's Marvin. But it could easily be a right-winger posting in character.

Then again, it could not be.
 
Out of curiosity, do you know any Muslims, in real life? I work with a lot of South Asian engineers. Most are Hindu, but three are Muslim. You'd never know, other than their disappearing for ablution and prayer occasionally. Other than that, their personalities and attitudes fit right in with the Hindus, Christians, and assorted non-believers in their departments... they're all more peculiar for having "engineering personalities' than for anything having to do with their religion.

Have you asked any of them about the issues of female circumcision, honor killings and the subjugation of women?

And yes, I do know a few muslims, though not many. And no, I have not asked them their feelings on these issues.
 
Have you asked any of them about the issues of female circumcision, honor killings and the subjugation of women?

And yes, I do know a few muslims, though not many. And no, I have not asked them their feelings on these issues.

No. It would be a bit like asking my Christian coworkers their feelings about the Christian terrorism of the KKK, or the murders of homosexuals by Christians in Africa, and the subjugation of women in fundamentalist Christian sects. It would be pretty presumptuous even to imply that connection with the more bizarre members of their overall faith.
 
No. It would be a bit like asking my Christian coworkers their feelings about the Christian terrorism of the KKK, or the murders of homosexuals by Christians in Africa, and the subjugation of women in fundamentalist Christian sects. It would be pretty presumptuous even to imply that connection with the more bizarre members of their overall faith.

But everyday on this board, you imply those things are endemic in the Christian community and also, bizarrely, that the Republican party has something to do with it as well...
 
But everyday on this board, you imply those things are endemic in the Christian community and also, bizarrely, that the Republican party has something to do with it as well...

Are we to believe you are the same off this board as you are on it?

Do you challenge every person on every belief in day to day life?
 
Good discussion


There is a difference between rape and adultery

In crime
Adultery
This crime is by mutual consent

There must be four witnesses
Because both sides wanted to hide
And also to protect the Muslim Family
Falsehood of the claim

As for rape without the consent of the parties
Coercion and violence
Sufficient testimony of a woman
The medical examiner

-- The punishment for rape in Islam: For the rapist punishment for adultery, which is stoning if he was married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.
The fact that the rapist was punishment for adultery, that's what you do not rape threat - weapons, it was at gunpoint, it would be a warrior, and applies the limit mentioned in the verse: ((33) Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment) Round / 33.
He chooses the ruling of the sanctions of the four mentioned in the verse as it deems appropriate, and the interest of achieving a common security and safety in the community, the assailants reportedly corrupt.

-Woman does not have any punishment
Condition
Forensic doctor
Punishment for men only

-Rape is taking something by force and injustice, and is now used exclusively to refer to symptoms of abuse of women by force.
Ugly, a crime forbidden in all religions and is at all wise people and owners of the normal mushrooms, and all regulations and laws of this land the laborers, and signed by the most severe penalties, with the exception of some countries that raise the punishment for a rapist if he marries his victim! It demonstrates the reversal of instinct and dementia, as well as the lack of religion or lack thereof when those who Dedua God says in the legislation, we do not know any affection and mercy will be between the executioner and his victim, especially since the pain of rape does not remove days and also just time - as they say - and so I tried many of the suicide and was raped a number of what many of them to Jordan, has proven the failure of these marriages, but not accompanied by humiliation and degradation of women
the woman in the western world is only commodity in the hands of men ...

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Capital punishment for the rapists

Under the Islamic Shari’ah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless and barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?

Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women

Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

USA has one of the highest rates of rape

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to an FBI report, in the year 1990, everyday on an average 1756 rapes were committed in USA alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.


Implementation of Islamic Shari’ah will reduce the rate of rapes

Naturally as soon as Islamic Shari’ah is implemented positive results will be inevitable. If Islamic Shari’ah is implemented in any part of the world, whether it is America or Europe, society will breathe easier. Hijaab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity.


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Circumcision is prescribed for both males and females. The correct view is that circumcision is obligatory for males and that it is one of the symbols of Islam, and that circumcision of women is mustahabb but not obligatory.
(222), Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves. "
The issue here
That there are some women and girls

They have a large clitoris and slightly high

In that case requires circumcision
By a very small
There are reports in the Sunnah which indicate that circumcision for women is prescribed in Islam. In Madeenah there was a woman who circumcised women and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (5271), classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Female circumcision has not been prescribed for no reason, rather there is wisdom behind it and it brings many benefits.

Mentioning some of these benefits

The secretions of the labia minora accumulate in uncircumcised women and turn rancid, so they develop an unpleasant odour which may lead to infections of the vagina or urethra. I have seen many cases of sickness caused by the lack of circumcision.

Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size to 3 centimeters when aroused, which is very annoying to the husband, especially at the time of intercourse.

Another benefit of circumcision is that it prevents stimulation of the clitoris which makes it grow large in such a manner that it causes pain.

Circumcision prevents spasms of the clitoris which are a kind of inflammation.

Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire.



in the case of Pharaonic circumcision which is where the clitoris is excised completely. This does in fact lead to frigidity but it is contrary to the kind of circumcision enjoined by the Prophet of mercy (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he said: “Do not destroy” i.e., do not uproot or excise. This alone is evidence that speaks for itself, because medicine at that time knew very little about this sensitive organ (the clitoris) and its nerves.
 
Good discussion


There is a difference between rape and adultery

In crime
Adultery
This crime is by mutual consent

There must be four witnesses
Because both sides wanted to hide
And also to protect the Muslim Family
Falsehood of the claim

As for rape without the consent of the parties
Coercion and violence
Sufficient testimony of a woman
The medical examiner

-- The punishment for rape in Islam: For the rapist punishment for adultery, which is stoning if he was married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.
The fact that the rapist was punishment for adultery, that's what you do not rape threat - weapons, it was at gunpoint, it would be a warrior, and applies the limit mentioned in the verse: ((33) Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment) Round / 33.
He chooses the ruling of the sanctions of the four mentioned in the verse as it deems appropriate, and the interest of achieving a common security and safety in the community, the assailants reportedly corrupt.

-Woman does not have any punishment
Condition
Forensic doctor
Punishment for men only

-Rape is taking something by force and injustice, and is now used exclusively to refer to symptoms of abuse of women by force.
Ugly, a crime forbidden in all religions and is at all wise people and owners of the normal mushrooms, and all regulations and laws of this land the laborers, and signed by the most severe penalties, with the exception of some countries that raise the punishment for a rapist if he marries his victim! It demonstrates the reversal of instinct and dementia, as well as the lack of religion or lack thereof when those who Dedua God says in the legislation, we do not know any affection and mercy will be between the executioner and his victim, especially since the pain of rape does not remove days and also just time - as they say - and so I tried many of the suicide and was raped a number of what many of them to Jordan, has proven the failure of these marriages, but not accompanied by humiliation and degradation of women
the woman in the western world is only commodity in the hands of men ...

\\\\\\\\\\\\


Capital punishment for the rapists

Under the Islamic Shari’ah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless and barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?

Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women

Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

USA has one of the highest rates of rape

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to an FBI report, in the year 1990, everyday on an average 1756 rapes were committed in USA alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.


Implementation of Islamic Shari’ah will reduce the rate of rapes

Naturally as soon as Islamic Shari’ah is implemented positive results will be inevitable. If Islamic Shari’ah is implemented in any part of the world, whether it is America or Europe, society will breathe easier. Hijaab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity.


\\\\\\\\\


Circumcision is prescribed for both males and females. The correct view is that circumcision is obligatory for males and that it is one of the symbols of Islam, and that circumcision of women is mustahabb but not obligatory.
(222), Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves. "
The issue here
That there are some women and girls

They have a large clitoris and slightly high

In that case requires circumcision
By a very small
There are reports in the Sunnah which indicate that circumcision for women is prescribed in Islam. In Madeenah there was a woman who circumcised women and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (5271), classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Female circumcision has not been prescribed for no reason, rather there is wisdom behind it and it brings many benefits.

Mentioning some of these benefits

The secretions of the labia minora accumulate in uncircumcised women and turn rancid, so they develop an unpleasant odour which may lead to infections of the vagina or urethra. I have seen many cases of sickness caused by the lack of circumcision.

Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size to 3 centimeters when aroused, which is very annoying to the husband, especially at the time of intercourse.

Another benefit of circumcision is that it prevents stimulation of the clitoris which makes it grow large in such a manner that it causes pain.

Circumcision prevents spasms of the clitoris which are a kind of inflammation.

Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire.



in the case of Pharaonic circumcision which is where the clitoris is excised completely. This does in fact lead to frigidity but it is contrary to the kind of circumcision enjoined by the Prophet of mercy (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he said: “Do not destroy” i.e., do not uproot or excise. This alone is evidence that speaks for itself, because medicine at that time knew very little about this sensitive organ (the clitoris) and its nerves.

Now you're repeating yourself.
 
A Clean Shave


As an added benefit for intimacy, pubic hair removal is also conducive to better genital hygiene. In the Old Testament, this was part of a purification ritual: "Have them shave their entire body and wash their clothing. Then they will be ceremonially clean." (Num 8:7)


Even if you bathe daily, body hair still captures and holds odors, which can be distracting or unpleasant during lovemaking and especially oral sex. Shaving the pubic hair or keeping it trimmed short minimizes this and keeps you fresh for intimate moments, which your spouse will appreciate.


Shaving can also be a way for a newly married woman to show her commitment to her new husband:


"And suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you are attracted to her and want to marry her. If this happens, you may take her to your home, where she must shave her hair, cut her fingernails, and change all her clothes." (Deut 21:11-13)


A freshly shaved pubic area can represent a fresh start in intimacy. Couples at any stage in their marriage can take advantage of this as a new beginning.


In keeping with maintaining a neat appearance and good hygiene habits, and out of consideration for their spouses, it seems appropriate for both Christian men and women to either shave or neatly trim their pubic hair if they desire.


Keeping this area well groomed is another way that husbands and wives can look and feel their best for each other. And by going completely hairless, they can experience an even closer degree of intimacy, with nothing to come between them as they become one flesh. If you and your spouse enjoy the look and feel of going bare, there's no need to feel a spiritual conflict.
 
Sacooo, you've scared all the liberals off with your honest discussion of Islam...
Nope. Just bored us silly with mindless copying and pasting and refusal to engage in actual discussion. It's almost like it's some sort of bot, rather than a real live human poster.
 
Sacooo, you've scared all the liberals off with your honest discussion of Islam...



Islamic countries , even though Islamic liberals claim that there is a divide of religion and politics , in the current climate it is clear to see that religion is not separated from politics and sharia law is still as practiced many of the key liberals who spoke about the separation of religion and politics were concerned with the idea of religious freedom. Nonetheless they put forward a strong argument for the separation of religion and politics and many Western countries today abide by this notion.




Allaah The Almighty has approved of Islam as a religion for His servants and has said that He would not accept any other religion. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means):


{Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allaah is Islam} [Quran 3:19]

{And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.} [Quran 3:85]


Moreover, the Islamic Sharee‘ah (Islamic law) has abrogated all previous religions; therefore, Allaah The Almighty commands that the Sharee'ah should be referred to in any case of disagreement. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means):


{And judge, [O Muhammad], between them by what Allaah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations} [Quran 5:49]

{And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allaah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations} [Quran 5:48]


Allaah The Almighty also forbids Muslims from following any law except the Islamic law (the Sharee‘ah). Allaah The Almighty Says (what means): {Follow, [O mankind], what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies.} [Quran 7:3]. This means that the Islamic Sharee‘ah includes all that people may need to regulate their whole life, otherwise, Allaah The Almighty would have never obliged us to refer to it alone.


The laws and regulations that people need extend far beyond the acts of worship such as prayer, fasting, pilgrimage and Zakaah (obligatory charity), rather such necessary laws and regulations include every field of life like politics, economics and sociology. Consequently, it is absurd to deny that Sharee‘ah implies and controls politics as well as other human affairs.


When contemplating the Quran and Sunnah, one finds that they encompass all human affairs. The Quran and Sunnah speak about acts of worship and religious rituals such as prayer and fasting but they also explain each legislation. They include regulations for the relationship between the ruler and his subjects, which includes several sub-issues, for example, obedience to the ruler in all that is good, the right of the Ummah (Muslim nation) to choose its ruler, and the cases when the ruler could be ousted. The Quran and Sunnah also speak about international relations including war, peace and truces. We will also find the rulings of Jihaad (armed struggle), its phases and aims, the rulings of conquered countries and the way of treating their people.


Moreover, there are prescribed penalties, such as the penalties for apostasy, adultery, fornication, theft, drinking wine and the law of retaliation (Qisaas). In the Quran and Sunnah there are the laws that regulate economic and financial affairs, lawful and unlawful dealings and the lawful ways of investment. There are also rules that regulate the relationship between members of the community, members of the family, and between husband and wife.


Generally, every Sharee‘ah ruling that might be needed by man or woman, young or old, or a ruler or an ordinary citizen regarding acts of worship or dealings whether local or international, is explained in the Sharee‘ah, with its two sources: the Quran and the Sunnah, as well as the affiliated consensus of scholars, analogy and other recognized Shar‘i evidence.


Anyone who believes that the Quran is only for the rulings of worship, and not for dealings, rulings or criminal penalties, would only be believing in part of the Scripture (the Quran and Sunnah) and would be disbelieving in part. This attitude is considered explicit secularism and apostasy. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means): {So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allaah is not unaware of what you do.} [Quran 2:85]


However, we should make a distinction between Islam as a perfect law for every aspect of life, and the practices or mistakes of some Muslims. Therefore, if there is a Muslim who knows the reality of his religion, believes that it includes, regulates and controls acts of worship as well as politics, religion and state, and advocates these beliefs, while, as you say in the question, he is a liar and hypocrite, this does not justify raising doubts about the validity of what he calls for. Instead, he should be advised to adopt all the teachings of the religion, and should be warned against violating any of its rulings, whether concerning worship, dealings, politics, or any other affair.


It should be taken into consideration that even at the time of the Prophet , there were people that were considered to be Muslims while in fact they were disbelieving hypocrites who never ceased conspiring against Islam and Muslims. Nevertheless, their existence did not justify the principles of Islam to be attacked or doubted.


It is indisputably established that the followers of any religion or ideology may vary in their degrees regarding sincerity, adherence and good application of its principles. Individual misapplication of the teachings of a religion or ideology can not be a basis for criticizing or doubting the validity of the religion or ideology. Had it been so, no soundness could have ever been established for a principle.


However, lying or committing some hypocritical acts can never be compared to falling in apostasy, attacking Islam or believing in some of its parts and disbelieving in others. Indeed, abandoning the Islamic laws and adopting other principles and man-made legislation is a form of major hypocrisy. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means): {And when it is said to them, "Come to what Allaah has revealed and to the Messenger," you see the hypocrites turning away from you in aversion.} [Quran 4:61]

 
Moreover, there are prescribed penalties, such as the penalties for apostasy, adultery, fornication, theft, drinking wine and the law of retaliation (Qisaas). In the Quran and Sunnah there are the laws that regulate economic and financial affairs, lawful and unlawful dealings and the lawful ways of investment. There are also rules that regulate the relationship between members of the community, members of the family, and between husband and wife.


Generally, every Sharee‘ah ruling that might be needed by man or woman, young or old, or a ruler or an ordinary citizen regarding acts of worship or dealings whether local or international, is explained in the Sharee‘ah, with its two sources: the Quran and the Sunnah, as well as the affiliated consensus of scholars, analogy and other recognized Shar‘i evidence.


Anyone who believes that the Quran is only for the rulings of worship, and not for dealings, rulings or criminal penalties, would only be believing in part of the Scripture (the Quran and Sunnah) and would be disbelieving in part. This attitude is considered explicit secularism and apostasy. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means): {So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allaah is not unaware of what you do.} [Quran 2:85]

Interesting. So, what is the prescribed punishment for apostasy, in this life, and how would it be carried out?
 
Islamic countries , even though Islamic liberals claim that there is a divide of religion and politics , in the current climate it is clear to see that religion is not separated from politics and sharia law is still as practiced many of the key liberals who spoke about the separation of religion and politics were concerned with the idea of religious freedom. Nonetheless they put forward a strong argument for the separation of religion and politics and many Western countries today abide by this notion.




Allaah The Almighty has approved of Islam as a religion for His servants and has said that He would not accept any other religion. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means):


{Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allaah is Islam} [Quran 3:19]

{And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.} [Quran 3:85]


Moreover, the Islamic Sharee‘ah (Islamic law) has abrogated all previous religions; therefore, Allaah The Almighty commands that the Sharee'ah should be referred to in any case of disagreement. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means):


{And judge, [O Muhammad], between them by what Allaah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations} [Quran 5:49]

{And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allaah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations} [Quran 5:48]


Allaah The Almighty also forbids Muslims from following any law except the Islamic law (the Sharee‘ah). Allaah The Almighty Says (what means): {Follow, [O mankind], what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies.} [Quran 7:3]. This means that the Islamic Sharee‘ah includes all that people may need to regulate their whole life, otherwise, Allaah The Almighty would have never obliged us to refer to it alone.


The laws and regulations that people need extend far beyond the acts of worship such as prayer, fasting, pilgrimage and Zakaah (obligatory charity), rather such necessary laws and regulations include every field of life like politics, economics and sociology. Consequently, it is absurd to deny that Sharee‘ah implies and controls politics as well as other human affairs.


When contemplating the Quran and Sunnah, one finds that they encompass all human affairs. The Quran and Sunnah speak about acts of worship and religious rituals such as prayer and fasting but they also explain each legislation. They include regulations for the relationship between the ruler and his subjects, which includes several sub-issues, for example, obedience to the ruler in all that is good, the right of the Ummah (Muslim nation) to choose its ruler, and the cases when the ruler could be ousted. The Quran and Sunnah also speak about international relations including war, peace and truces. We will also find the rulings of Jihaad (armed struggle), its phases and aims, the rulings of conquered countries and the way of treating their people.


Moreover, there are prescribed penalties, such as the penalties for apostasy, adultery, fornication, theft, drinking wine and the law of retaliation (Qisaas). In the Quran and Sunnah there are the laws that regulate economic and financial affairs, lawful and unlawful dealings and the lawful ways of investment. There are also rules that regulate the relationship between members of the community, members of the family, and between husband and wife.


Generally, every Sharee‘ah ruling that might be needed by man or woman, young or old, or a ruler or an ordinary citizen regarding acts of worship or dealings whether local or international, is explained in the Sharee‘ah, with its two sources: the Quran and the Sunnah, as well as the affiliated consensus of scholars, analogy and other recognized Shar‘i evidence.


Anyone who believes that the Quran is only for the rulings of worship, and not for dealings, rulings or criminal penalties, would only be believing in part of the Scripture (the Quran and Sunnah) and would be disbelieving in part. This attitude is considered explicit secularism and apostasy. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means): {So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allaah is not unaware of what you do.} [Quran 2:85]


However, we should make a distinction between Islam as a perfect law for every aspect of life, and the practices or mistakes of some Muslims. Therefore, if there is a Muslim who knows the reality of his religion, believes that it includes, regulates and controls acts of worship as well as politics, religion and state, and advocates these beliefs, while, as you say in the question, he is a liar and hypocrite, this does not justify raising doubts about the validity of what he calls for. Instead, he should be advised to adopt all the teachings of the religion, and should be warned against violating any of its rulings, whether concerning worship, dealings, politics, or any other affair.


It should be taken into consideration that even at the time of the Prophet , there were people that were considered to be Muslims while in fact they were disbelieving hypocrites who never ceased conspiring against Islam and Muslims. Nevertheless, their existence did not justify the principles of Islam to be attacked or doubted.


It is indisputably established that the followers of any religion or ideology may vary in their degrees regarding sincerity, adherence and good application of its principles. Individual misapplication of the teachings of a religion or ideology can not be a basis for criticizing or doubting the validity of the religion or ideology. Had it been so, no soundness could have ever been established for a principle.


However, lying or committing some hypocritical acts can never be compared to falling in apostasy, attacking Islam or believing in some of its parts and disbelieving in others. Indeed, abandoning the Islamic laws and adopting other principles and man-made legislation is a form of major hypocrisy. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means): {And when it is said to them, "Come to what Allaah has revealed and to the Messenger," you see the hypocrites turning away from you in aversion.} [Quran 4:61]

Just, FYI, I'm cutting down clutter in this forum, for myself, by setting any posters who have never contributed anything of value to "ignore." That includes you. It's a pity. I was very hopeful that we'd have a Muslim in here interested in debating issues from that perspective, but instead we just have a mindless cut-and-paste bot.
 
Just, FYI, I'm cutting down clutter in this forum, for myself, by setting any posters who have never contributed anything of value to "ignore." That includes you. It's a pity. I was very hopeful that we'd have a Muslim in here interested in debating issues from that perspective, but instead we just have a mindless cut-and-paste bot.

Of all the lefty hacks on the board, Arkady, I thought you might be the one who would be willing to confront the realities of Islam, but I see you're going to retreat into the bogus, politically-correct "religion of peace" bullshit we've been fed by the apologist left. Too bad...
 
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