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Fixing Education

Arkady

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As a break from pure partisanship and horse-race politics, I'd like to hear people's ideas for improving education in this country. To get the ball rolling, here are some ideas with pros and cons:

(1) Better funding for schools. Pro: Just as a general concept, you get what you pay for. Con: we already pay more than most other wealthy nations per capita with poor results.

(2) Reforming teacher's unions. Pro: Union job security makes it hard to punish tenured bad performers. Con: If you decrease job security without improving the other draws, you'll make teaching less attractive and get worse teachers.

(3) High-stakes testing. Pro: most other high-performing nations use some form of high-stakes testing. Con: I takes away time from teaching time, while skewing lessons just to those things that can be tested well in a standardized way.

(4) Charter schools. Pro: puts the genius of the market to work, by putting schools in competition with each other for students. Con: actual attempts to measure the success of school choice haven't been very positive.

(5) Private school vouchers: Pro: Puts the genius of the market to work. Con: If done with small vouchers, it will tend to hurt the poor, who still won't be able to afford private school, and their public schools will worsen with the flight of upper- and middle-class students. Also, if the only local private schools are religious, may effectively force that "choice" on people who don't actually want religious indoctrination.

(6) "Common Core." Pro: creates a more consistent approach, with potential improved quality and lower cost. Con: deprives local states and districts of flexibility to respond to local needs.

(7) Various other innovations -- more technology in classes or less, montessori-style individual flexibility, smaller classes to increase student engagement or bigger classes to allow for economies of scale, more mainstreaming or less, two-track system for vocational education versus academic, financial rewards for academic performance, and so on.

What do people here think? If it helps, here's a fairly good indication of where education is succeeding and failing, based on NAEP scores, which may provide some guidance about where to look for successful strategies, and where to look for failed ones. This is an interesting chart because it shows both unadjusted results and demographically-adjusted ones, so if you suspect some states are just doing well because they're less burdened by problems that are actually driven by race (e.g., NH, Utah), you can look at the adjusted figures:

ednext-blog-oct15-chingos-naep-chart-small.jpg

http://educationnext.org/how-do-states-really-stack-up-on-the-2015-naep/

Personally, I favor a Common Core concept, but not necessarily the specifics of what's currently in Common Core (which I don't know enough to comment on, in terms of approaches, matters to be covered, etc.) What I'm in favor of is a more consistent approach across the country, where there's a particular curriculum taught by grade level, and a high school diploma means you've mastered the same basic knowledge and skills regardless of whether you went to school in rural Alaska or downtown Miami.

I have a few reasons for that:

First, it's better for kids who move around a lot. I was an army brat, moving every two to three years, and that's tough in a situation with curricula that differ vastly from state to state. For example, for history you may find yourself one year in a class covering the Civil War, which you already covered the prior year in another school, so that you get almost nothing out of it. Then the next year, in another school system, you may get something on WWII that's presented as if you already know all about WWI, which the other kids covered the prior year, and you'll be completely lost. You'll end up bored half the time, with redundant material, and lost the other half. And when you graduate, you'll have big holes in material that fell between the cracks during your moves. A consistent approach eliminates that.

Second, it lets colleges and employers know that high school graduates have a certain basic quality that they can build on, with consistent curricula under their belts, and consistent grading systems. That doesn't mean the material has to be completely rigid. For example, teaching the literature of local writers or writers from the ethnic groups of most of your students may get more student engagement, and there should be some flexibility for that. But you don't want, for example, some high school graduates not knowing even the basics about Darwinian natural selection, or some other core building block of science, just based on the eccentricities of the local school district.

Third, it should cut down on a lot of needless expense and redundancy. For example, if every single school district picks its own fourth-grade science textbook, selecting hundreds of separate books among them, each trying to cut its own deal with publishers and buying in small batches, the per-unit costs will be huge. If you have one big purchase of fourth-grade science textbooks nation-wide, you'll be able to cut tremendous per-unit deals, and you'll also save on all the bureaucratic time wasted by thousands of local or state bureaucracies on that choice. You'll also have more supplemental third-party materials popping up on a national basis, like national tutoring and extra-curriculars that are based on a consistent curriculum they know is being taught nationally.

Fourth, curriculum design can be done by the very best educational experts in the country, rather than being fumbled through by local politicians often consisting of bored homemakers and retirees with part-time positions on school boards, without much education themselves, much less expertise in pedagogy.

Fifth, it makes sharing of resources simpler, even across state lines, which will mean savings. If every school is teaching the same basic material in the same grade, pulling in substitute teachers and filling openings is going to be a lot easier.

These solutions should help to lower costs while improving quality.
 
Preamble: everything here is of course generalized. There are lousy public schools, great public schools and everywhere in between.

1) In my opinion, before one additional dollar is given to schools. I believe raises should be earned. Furthermore, not only do we already spend a lot on education, but I suspect the money is focused in the wrong areas. I would bet dollars to donuts I could go into any public school district, and set up a merit pay system for teachers and make it work without any additional money simply by smarter reallocation of funds.

2) I believe a merit pay system can and would work. I use the analogy of my wife's profession. She is a skilled health care professional. She makes well into six figures and consistently sees words like "exceptional", "superb" and other such praises. She was born to take care of others. Incidentally, that has worked out pretty well for me. ;) The people who are good at what she does have the right personality. After observing her and hearing stories from her for 24 years, it seems apparent to me you MUST enjoy caring for people to be successful and happy in a health care job. Therefore, I make a similar conclusion about education. If you don't enjoy educating, you probably won't be a good teacher. If you are a good teacher, you should be rewarded accordingly. I've seen arguments against merit pay, essentially blaming getting stuck with stupid kids (perhaps I'll put it more eloquently later). I think that is something that could be controlled for with a merit pay system. A good system would attract and keep good teachers and the rest, for the most part, won't last. No system is 100%, of course.

I gotta run for now. I hope you get some more replies, I will also address more of the points later today. Great topic.
 
As a break from pure partisanship and horse-race politics, I'd like to hear people's ideas for improving education in this country. To get the ball rolling, here are some ideas with pros and cons:

(1) Better funding for schools. Pro: Just as a general concept, you get what you pay for. Con: we already pay more than most other wealthy nations per capita with poor results.

(2) Reforming teacher's unions. Pro: Union job security makes it hard to punish tenured bad performers. Con: If you decrease job security without improving the other draws, you'll make teaching less attractive and get worse teachers.

(3) High-stakes testing. Pro: most other high-performing nations use some form of high-stakes testing. Con: I takes away time from teaching time, while skewing lessons just to those things that can be tested well in a standardized way.

(4) Charter schools. Pro: puts the genius of the market to work, by putting schools in competition with each other for students. Con: actual attempts to measure the success of school choice haven't been very positive.

(5) Private school vouchers: Pro: Puts the genius of the market to work. Con: If done with small vouchers, it will tend to hurt the poor, who still won't be able to afford private school, and their public schools will worsen with the flight of upper- and middle-class students. Also, if the only local private schools are religious, may effectively force that "choice" on people who don't actually want religious indoctrination.

(6) "Common Core." Pro: creates a more consistent approach, with potential improved quality and lower cost. Con: deprives local states and districts of flexibility to respond to local needs.

(7) Various other innovations -- more technology in classes or less, montessori-style individual flexibility, smaller classes to increase student engagement or bigger classes to allow for economies of scale, more mainstreaming or less, two-track system for vocational education versus academic, financial rewards for academic performance, and so on.

What do people here think? If it helps, here's a fairly good indication of where education is succeeding and failing, based on NAEP scores, which may provide some guidance about where to look for successful strategies, and where to look for failed ones. This is an interesting chart because it shows both unadjusted results and demographically-adjusted ones, so if you suspect some states are just doing well because they're less burdened by problems that are actually driven by race (e.g., NH, Utah), you can look at the adjusted figures:

ednext-blog-oct15-chingos-naep-chart-small.jpg

http://educationnext.org/how-do-states-really-stack-up-on-the-2015-naep/

Personally, I favor a Common Core concept, but not necessarily the specifics of what's currently in Common Core (which I don't know enough to comment on, in terms of approaches, matters to be covered, etc.) What I'm in favor of is a more consistent approach across the country, where there's a particular curriculum taught by grade level, and a high school diploma means you've mastered the same basic knowledge and skills regardless of whether you went to school in rural Alaska or downtown Miami.

I have a few reasons for that:

First, it's better for kids who move around a lot. I was an army brat, moving every two to three years, and that's tough in a situation with curricula that differ vastly from state to state. For example, for history you may find yourself one year in a class covering the Civil War, which you already covered the prior year in another school, so that you get almost nothing out of it. Then the next year, in another school system, you may get something on WWII that's presented as if you already know all about WWI, which the other kids covered the prior year, and you'll be completely lost. You'll end up bored half the time, with redundant material, and lost the other half. And when you graduate, you'll have big holes in material that fell between the cracks during your moves. A consistent approach eliminates that.

Second, it lets colleges and employers know that high school graduates have a certain basic quality that they can build on, with consistent curricula under their belts, and consistent grading systems. That doesn't mean the material has to be completely rigid. For example, teaching the literature of local writers or writers from the ethnic groups of most of your students may get more student engagement, and there should be some flexibility for that. But you don't want, for example, some high school graduates not knowing even the basics about Darwinian natural selection, or some other core building block of science, just based on the eccentricities of the local school district.

Third, it should cut down on a lot of needless expense and redundancy. For example, if every single school district picks its own fourth-grade science textbook, selecting hundreds of separate books among them, each trying to cut its own deal with publishers and buying in small batches, the per-unit costs will be huge. If you have one big purchase of fourth-grade science textbooks nation-wide, you'll be able to cut tremendous per-unit deals, and you'll also save on all the bureaucratic time wasted by thousands of local or state bureaucracies on that choice. You'll also have more supplemental third-party materials popping up on a national basis, like national tutoring and extra-curriculars that are based on a consistent curriculum they know is being taught nationally.

Fourth, curriculum design can be done by the very best educational experts in the country, rather than being fumbled through by local politicians often consisting of bored homemakers and retirees with part-time positions on school boards, without much education themselves, much less expertise in pedagogy.

Fifth, it makes sharing of resources simpler, even across state lines, which will mean savings. If every school is teaching the same basic material in the same grade, pulling in substitute teachers and filling openings is going to be a lot easier.

These solutions should help to lower costs while improving quality.


I agree with the majority of your comments and suggestions. The only one that gives me pause is #1, where I would add 'and fiscal responsibility'...i think there is tremendous waste, and there needs to be better accounting.

Additionally, I favor stringent testing...and a common curriculum standard, not necessarily common core. My experience with that to date has been underwhelming..and quite frankly it drive a 'teaching to the test mentality' which is problematic..
 
Personally, I favor a Common Core concept, but not necessarily the specifics of what's currently in Common Core (which I don't know enough to comment on, in terms of approaches, matters to be covered, etc.) What I'm in favor of is a more consistent approach across the country, where there's a particular curriculum taught by grade level, and a high school diploma means you've mastered the same basic knowledge and skills regardless of whether you went to school in rural Alaska or downtown Miami.

You favor a stronger role for the federal government in education? I never would have imagined that! :rolleyes:
 
Don't worry about it - Hillary's got this...

Student loan debt continues to be one of the largest economic issues plaguing the U.S., with the total amount topping $1.3 trillion. Hillary Clinton’s higher education policy touts debt-free degrees for underprivileged students. But is she being genuine in her efforts to address the issue?

While Hillary loves to rail against shady for-profit colleges on the campaign trail, she does have some financial ties to them that are likely to shape whether or not she holds them accountable for ripping students off.

It was recently revealed through Hillary’s emails that during her first year as Secretary of State she insisted that Laureate Education be included in the guest list for an education policy dinner hosted at the U.S. Department of State.

“It’s a for-profit model that should be represented,” she wrote in the August 2009 email, and as a result, a senior vice president at Laureate was added to the guest list. Several months later, former President Bill Clinton became an honorary chancellor of Laureate International Universities, which turned out to be incredibly lucrative. He was paid a cool $16.5 million between 2010 and 2014 for his role with the for-profit college.

Also consider that while 12 percent of the country’s students go to for-profits, a whopping 96 percent of them have to take out federal loans. As a result, for-profit colleges account for 25 percent of all federal financial aid dollars and half of all Department of Defense Tuition Assistance funds.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-16/hillary-clinton-emails-reveal-more-shameless-cronyism
 
As a break from pure partisanship and horse-race politics, I'd like to hear people's ideas for improving education in this country. To get the ball rolling, here are some ideas with pros and cons:

(1) Better funding for schools. Pro: Just as a general concept, you get what you pay for. Con: we already pay more than most other wealthy nations per capita with poor results.

(2) Reforming teacher's unions. Pro: Union job security makes it hard to punish tenured bad performers. Con: If you decrease job security without improving the other draws, you'll make teaching less attractive and get worse teachers.

(3) High-stakes testing. Pro: most other high-performing nations use some form of high-stakes testing. Con: I takes away time from teaching time, while skewing lessons just to those things that can be tested well in a standardized way.

(4) Charter schools. Pro: puts the genius of the market to work, by putting schools in competition with each other for students. Con: actual attempts to measure the success of school choice haven't been very positive.

(5) Private school vouchers: Pro: Puts the genius of the market to work. Con: If done with small vouchers, it will tend to hurt the poor, who still won't be able to afford private school, and their public schools will worsen with the flight of upper- and middle-class students. Also, if the only local private schools are religious, may effectively force that "choice" on people who don't actually want religious indoctrination.

(6) "Common Core." Pro: creates a more consistent approach, with potential improved quality and lower cost. Con: deprives local states and districts of flexibility to respond to local needs.

(7) Various other innovations -- more technology in classes or less, montessori-style individual flexibility, smaller classes to increase student engagement or bigger classes to allow for economies of scale, more mainstreaming or less, two-track system for vocational education versus academic, financial rewards for academic performance, and so on.

What do people here think? If it helps, here's a fairly good indication of where education is succeeding and failing, based on NAEP scores, which may provide some guidance about where to look for successful strategies, and where to look for failed ones. This is an interesting chart because it shows both unadjusted results and demographically-adjusted ones, so if you suspect some states are just doing well because they're less burdened by problems that are actually driven by race (e.g., NH, Utah), you can look at the adjusted figures:

ednext-blog-oct15-chingos-naep-chart-small.jpg

http://educationnext.org/how-do-states-really-stack-up-on-the-2015-naep/

Personally, I favor a Common Core concept, but not necessarily the specifics of what's currently in Common Core (which I don't know enough to comment on, in terms of approaches, matters to be covered, etc.) What I'm in favor of is a more consistent approach across the country, where there's a particular curriculum taught by grade level, and a high school diploma means you've mastered the same basic knowledge and skills regardless of whether you went to school in rural Alaska or downtown Miami.

I have a few reasons for that:

First, it's better for kids who move around a lot. I was an army brat, moving every two to three years, and that's tough in a situation with curricula that differ vastly from state to state. For example, for history you may find yourself one year in a class covering the Civil War, which you already covered the prior year in another school, so that you get almost nothing out of it. Then the next year, in another school system, you may get something on WWII that's presented as if you already know all about WWI, which the other kids covered the prior year, and you'll be completely lost. You'll end up bored half the time, with redundant material, and lost the other half. And when you graduate, you'll have big holes in material that fell between the cracks during your moves. A consistent approach eliminates that.

Second, it lets colleges and employers know that high school graduates have a certain basic quality that they can build on, with consistent curricula under their belts, and consistent grading systems. That doesn't mean the material has to be completely rigid. For example, teaching the literature of local writers or writers from the ethnic groups of most of your students may get more student engagement, and there should be some flexibility for that. But you don't want, for example, some high school graduates not knowing even the basics about Darwinian natural selection, or some other core building block of science, just based on the eccentricities of the local school district.

Third, it should cut down on a lot of needless expense and redundancy. For example, if every single school district picks its own fourth-grade science textbook, selecting hundreds of separate books among them, each trying to cut its own deal with publishers and buying in small batches, the per-unit costs will be huge. If you have one big purchase of fourth-grade science textbooks nation-wide, you'll be able to cut tremendous per-unit deals, and you'll also save on all the bureaucratic time wasted by thousands of local or state bureaucracies on that choice. You'll also have more supplemental third-party materials popping up on a national basis, like national tutoring and extra-curriculars that are based on a consistent curriculum they know is being taught nationally.

Fourth, curriculum design can be done by the very best educational experts in the country, rather than being fumbled through by local politicians often consisting of bored homemakers and retirees with part-time positions on school boards, without much education themselves, much less expertise in pedagogy.

Fifth, it makes sharing of resources simpler, even across state lines, which will mean savings. If every school is teaching the same basic material in the same grade, pulling in substitute teachers and filling openings is going to be a lot easier.

These solutions should help to lower costs while improving quality.

1 - most other nations pay their teachers a "comparable middle income wage", based on living costs in those countries. however, they don't recruit their teachers from the lowest average SAT scores entering college.

2 - teachers contracts are the at the school district level, not nationally. bankruptcy is a bona fide way to cancel anyone's contracts/benefits. this is being leveraged for overpaid/over benefited municipal workers in places like Detroit, Compton California, etc. The reason why teachers get such gold plated salaries and benefits in the first place is that they spend inordinant amounts of time lobbying local governments.

3 - high stakes testing won't fix schools where kids are chronically absent, violent, or on drugs. it will simply increase the numbers of kids being held back.

4+5 - charter schools, on average, perform better than public schools. vouchers should be universal/legal. If you want to spend your voucher money on a mediocre charter or private school, that should be your right.

6 - the angst over common core mostly arises over the role of god and political orientation in the classroom. possible solution - common core should deal with actual educational topics - math, literature, history, biology, earth science, etc. read the classics for literature, not "politicially correct stories by committee" for the purposes of social engineering. Kids have to attend science class. the can attend sunday school if they want to hear about the book of genesis and noah's ark, additionally.

7 - most other nations aren't out scoring us with technology. instead they rely on the following:

  • 12 month school year
  • expulsion of troublemakers, or remanding them to reform/discipline schools
  • no drug sales in the parking lots before class. in fact, most other nations don't let high school kids drive to class
  • longer school day, which includes time to tackle homework, and study hall monitors who are able to answer questions/assist
  • make drives ed/licensing contingent on at least a "C" average.
  • return "trade classes" to high schools, for kids who aren't interested in college. Auto shop; welding; carpentry; electronics/HVAC; these could be sponsored by local employers, but would NOT replace the need for students to take regular math/science/history/reading courses.
 
I agree with the majority of your comments and suggestions. The only one that gives me pause is #1, where I would add 'and fiscal responsibility'...i think there is tremendous waste, and there needs to be better accounting.

Additionally, I favor stringent testing...and a common curriculum standard, not necessarily common core. My experience with that to date has been underwhelming..and quite frankly it drive a 'teaching to the test mentality' which is problematic..
I think "teaching to the test" is inevitable, even without high-stakes testing. Whatever you come up with as a way to assess teacher and administrator performance will constitute "the test" and teaching will be skewed to that. In the absence of standardized academic testing, you wind up with informal tests, which may actually be counter-productive for the purpose of educating kids. For example, if a teacher's main job winds up being to avoid having too many kids drop-out, and keeping parents happy, then that "test" encourages teaching in a way that keeps kids entertained and unchallenged and doesn't result in any negative reflection of the kid's performance making its way to the parents. A teacher who hands out A's to everyone and tells each set of parents their kids are little geniuses may pass that "test" with flying colors, without the kids learning a damned thing. At least standardized academic testing enforces some standards with a meaningful relationship with the acquisition of actual knowledge and skills.
 
Bern will make college FREE
problem solved, don't ya see
Sanders is proposing something that's already in place in some other wealthy nations, including Germany, where public schools are covered by the taxpayers. It's essentially an extension of something the US pioneered -- first by being among the first nations to make primary schooling taxpayer-financed, and then through the GI Bill, which had taxpayers covering the lion's share of college costs for veterans. Those things once led us to be the most educated populace in the world. The question facing us now is whether to expand on that past success. If we do, that won't solve all our problems, of course. But the huge dividends we enjoyed in the past by boosting average education levels in this country so rapidly, it's something that may well pay for itself long-term.
 
You favor a stronger role for the federal government in education? I never would have imagined that! :rolleyes:
Actually, the proposal I came up with would DECREASE the overall role of government. Right now, governments already set curricula, etc. They just do so in a wildly inefficient and fractured manner, resulting in them having to take a crap-load more of our hard-earned tax dollars to do so than is really needed, and resulting in them making a bit of a botch job of it despite the huge price tag. My solution would allow for decreasing the overall size of that government burden while improving the quality of its output.
 
Sanders is proposing something that's already in place in some other wealthy nations, including Germany, where public schools are covered by the taxpayers. It's essentially an extension of something the US pioneered -- first by being among the first nations to make primary schooling taxpayer-financed, and then through the GI Bill, which had taxpayers covering the lion's share of college costs for veterans. Those things once led us to be the most educated populace in the world. The question facing us now is whether to expand on that past success. If we do, that won't solve all our problems, of course. But the huge dividends we enjoyed in the past by boosting average education levels in this country so rapidly, it's something that may well pay for itself long-term.

GI Bill is FAR from FREE
Universities are full to the brim and students appear to be graduating dumber than when they entered by a majority.
 
Don't worry about it - Hillary's got this...

Student loan debt continues to be one of the largest economic issues plaguing the U.S., with the total amount topping $1.3 trillion. Hillary Clinton’s higher education policy touts debt-free degrees for underprivileged students. But is she being genuine in her efforts to address the issue?

While Hillary loves to rail against shady for-profit colleges on the campaign trail, she does have some financial ties to them that are likely to shape whether or not she holds them accountable for ripping students off.

It was recently revealed through Hillary’s emails that during her first year as Secretary of State she insisted that Laureate Education be included in the guest list for an education policy dinner hosted at the U.S. Department of State.

“It’s a for-profit model that should be represented,” she wrote in the August 2009 email, and as a result, a senior vice president at Laureate was added to the guest list. Several months later, former President Bill Clinton became an honorary chancellor of Laureate International Universities, which turned out to be incredibly lucrative. He was paid a cool $16.5 million between 2010 and 2014 for his role with the for-profit college.

Also consider that while 12 percent of the country’s students go to for-profits, a whopping 96 percent of them have to take out federal loans. As a result, for-profit colleges account for 25 percent of all federal financial aid dollars and half of all Department of Defense Tuition Assistance funds.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-16/hillary-clinton-emails-reveal-more-shameless-cronyism
Yes, I understand that some are completely unable to discuss policy, and so they must immediately flee to their favorite propaganda outlet to find talking-points material they can cut-and-paste to transform such discussions into standard-issue "your side's leaders are horrible" personal smears. That's not what I was interested in here, though. I want substantive policy analysis.
 
1 - most other nations pay their teachers a "comparable middle income wage", based on living costs in those countries. however, they don't recruit their teachers from the lowest average SAT scores entering college.

Keeping in mind we don't have a teacher draft in this country --that the pool of available teachers will only be as good as you can attract with whatever wages and benefits you can offer-- what would you recommend?

I can certainly think of ways we could make sure we have WORSE teachers. For example, we could cut their job security while not improving pay, benefits, or working conditions. That would make the profession less attractive, and so we'd have a harder time attracting and retaining anybody with enough talent and drive to find a job elsewhere. The only good teachers remaining would be those altruistic to the point of masochism, which is going to be a pretty small tool. Similarly, we could lower teacher quality through a relentless campaign of ridiculing and scolding teachers, so that we deprive them of the prestige and community respect that was part of the package deal of compensation prior generations of teachers got, which encouraged them to forego more lucrative financial compensation elsewhere, for payment in the form of esteem. Or you could make it worse by cutting public assistance for public higher education, thus burdening graduates with levels of student loan debt that practically force them into careers with big incomes, just to make their minimum payments. Then the teachers would have to be masochistically altruistic AND independently wealthy, which virtually eliminates the field of decent teachers.

But, while it's easy to come up with ways to make sure we get worse teachers, coming up with a way to get better ones isn't as easy. Do you have ideas?

4+5 - charter schools, on average, perform better than public schools. vouchers should be universal/legal.

I keep reading the studies on this and haven't seen something to support that. Although I've seen studies (generally backed by school-choice fortunes) purporting to show that, they often show apples-to-oranges comparison. For example, if you have two schools, one of which is required to educate anyone, and the other is allowed to fail people out who don't perform well, then of course the one that's required to educate anyone is going to look worse, as the other prunes its rolls and leaves its problems for someone else to clean up.
  • 12 month school year
I don't know all foreign school systems, obviously, but the UK, France, and Germany each have summer breaks -- albeit shorter ones than ours. Is there evidence that 12-month school years make a big positive difference?
  • longer school day, which includes time to tackle homework, and study hall monitors who are able to answer questions/assist
Seems like a good idea to me. In my area, at least, most of the kids effectively have that, anyway, albeit at a higher cost, since anyone with two working parents tends to pay for an after-school program that includes study halls and enrichment activities, in addition to sports and clubs. For example, my daughter's academic day is effectively equal to that of her German counterparts, once you count after-school care. However, it's unclear how we could extend the school day without increasing the cost of school, since you'd either need more staff or you'd need to require teachers to work longer hours (which either means you pay them more, or you make their jobs less attractive and thereby have to make do with worse overall options, since the hours are currently one of the selling points of the career).
  • return "trade classes" to high schools, for kids who aren't interested in college. Auto shop; welding; carpentry; electronics/HVAC; these could be sponsored by local employers, but would NOT replace the need for students to take regular math/science/history/reading courses.
I'm open to that idea, if focused on high-skills trade, and if there were still time for "citizenship" education (even if you're an HVAC technician, if you're going to fulfill your responsibilities as a citizen-leader of this nation, you need to know history, civics, etc.)[/quote]
 
As a break from pure partisanship and horse-race politics, I'd like to hear people's ideas for improving education in this country. To get the ball rolling, here are some ideas with pros and cons:

(1) Better funding for schools. Pro: Just as a general concept, you get what you pay for. Con: we already pay more than most other wealthy nations per capita with poor results.

(2) Reforming teacher's unions. Pro: Union job security makes it hard to punish tenured bad performers. Con: If you decrease job security without improving the other draws, you'll make teaching less attractive and get worse teachers.

(3) High-stakes testing. Pro: most other high-performing nations use some form of high-stakes testing. Con: I takes away time from teaching time, while skewing lessons just to those things that can be tested well in a standardized way.

(4) Charter schools. Pro: puts the genius of the market to work, by putting schools in competition with each other for students. Con: actual attempts to measure the success of school choice haven't been very positive.

(5) Private school vouchers: Pro: Puts the genius of the market to work. Con: If done with small vouchers, it will tend to hurt the poor, who still won't be able to afford private school, and their public schools will worsen with the flight of upper- and middle-class students. Also, if the only local private schools are religious, may effectively force that "choice" on people who don't actually want religious indoctrination.

(6) "Common Core." Pro: creates a more consistent approach, with potential improved quality and lower cost. Con: deprives local states and districts of flexibility to respond to local needs.

(7) Various other innovations -- more technology in classes or less, montessori-style individual flexibility, smaller classes to increase student engagement or bigger classes to allow for economies of scale, more mainstreaming or less, two-track system for vocational education versus academic, financial rewards for academic performance, and so on.

What do people here think? If it helps, here's a fairly good indication of where education is succeeding and failing, based on NAEP scores, which may provide some guidance about where to look for successful strategies, and where to look for failed ones. This is an interesting chart because it shows both unadjusted results and demographically-adjusted ones, so if you suspect some states are just doing well because they're less burdened by problems that are actually driven by race (e.g., NH, Utah), you can look at the adjusted figures:

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http://educationnext.org/how-do-states-really-stack-up-on-the-2015-naep/

Personally, I favor a Common Core concept, but not necessarily the specifics of what's currently in Common Core (which I don't know enough to comment on, in terms of approaches, matters to be covered, etc.) What I'm in favor of is a more consistent approach across the country, where there's a particular curriculum taught by grade level, and a high school diploma means you've mastered the same basic knowledge and skills regardless of whether you went to school in rural Alaska or downtown Miami.

I have a few reasons for that:

First, it's better for kids who move around a lot. I was an army brat, moving every two to three years, and that's tough in a situation with curricula that differ vastly from state to state. For example, for history you may find yourself one year in a class covering the Civil War, which you already covered the prior year in another school, so that you get almost nothing out of it. Then the next year, in another school system, you may get something on WWII that's presented as if you already know all about WWI, which the other kids covered the prior year, and you'll be completely lost. You'll end up bored half the time, with redundant material, and lost the other half. And when you graduate, you'll have big holes in material that fell between the cracks during your moves. A consistent approach eliminates that.

Second, it lets colleges and employers know that high school graduates have a certain basic quality that they can build on, with consistent curricula under their belts, and consistent grading systems. That doesn't mean the material has to be completely rigid. For example, teaching the literature of local writers or writers from the ethnic groups of most of your students may get more student engagement, and there should be some flexibility for that. But you don't want, for example, some high school graduates not knowing even the basics about Darwinian natural selection, or some other core building block of science, just based on the eccentricities of the local school district.

Third, it should cut down on a lot of needless expense and redundancy. For example, if every single school district picks its own fourth-grade science textbook, selecting hundreds of separate books among them, each trying to cut its own deal with publishers and buying in small batches, the per-unit costs will be huge. If you have one big purchase of fourth-grade science textbooks nation-wide, you'll be able to cut tremendous per-unit deals, and you'll also save on all the bureaucratic time wasted by thousands of local or state bureaucracies on that choice. You'll also have more supplemental third-party materials popping up on a national basis, like national tutoring and extra-curriculars that are based on a consistent curriculum they know is being taught nationally.

Fourth, curriculum design can be done by the very best educational experts in the country, rather than being fumbled through by local politicians often consisting of bored homemakers and retirees with part-time positions on school boards, without much education themselves, much less expertise in pedagogy.

Fifth, it makes sharing of resources simpler, even across state lines, which will mean savings. If every school is teaching the same basic material in the same grade, pulling in substitute teachers and filling openings is going to be a lot easier.

These solutions should help to lower costs while improving quality.

Not a terrible analysis here overall.
I don't mind the Common Core idea at its definition. The problem with it is that it doesn't include local input and it is a system ripe for indoctrination of whatever ideology is in control at the moment.

What I would like to see is this:
  • a straightforward and challenging education in reading, writing and math for starters with benchmarks set rather than grade levels.
  • emphasize basic math but also (starting at fairly low levels) add in life-math (how to budget and deal with money).
  • a real attempt to make science, history and other social studies objective. Creationism should neither be taught or mocked. It should be mentioned without bias.
  • channel a child toward success. For some kids, drumming in the "how to write an essay" lessons is not beneficial. Teach hands on subjects and divert kids there but not based on one single test showing.
Montessori is good in that it removes grade levels. It is not good in that a child chooses what he/she wants to learn. The theory is that kids will eventually learn what they need if they are allowed to explore like free-range chickens. This is simply not true. Children thrive on structure and are more likely to be overwhelmed by lack of structure. Self-motivated children will excel in a Montessori atmosphere, but not all children are self-motivated. Most are not.

I know this barely touches your post, but it's a start.
 
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