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"Former" commie ex-CIA director uses Trotsky quote...

Raoul_Luke said:
In Tweet hinting at the seething revolutionary angst resulting from their failed efforts to prevent Trump from being elected:

https://spectator.org/john-brennans-thwarted-coup/
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Is Trump a bigger threat to US democracy than Gus Hall or John Brennan?

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/john-brennan-cia-communist-vote/index.html

"So if back in 1980, John Brennan was allowed to say, 'I voted for the Communist Party with Gus Hall' ... and still got through, rest assured that your rights and your expressions and your freedom of speech as Americans is something that's not going to be disqualifying of you as you pursue a career in government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Hall#Criticism

"Many conservatives saw Hall as a threat to America, with J. Edgar Hoover describing him as 'a powerful, deceitful, dangerous foe of Americanism'.[11]

"An inflammatory anti-Christian statement was falsely ascribed to Hall, earning him the hostility of some Christian groups, including Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority.[38]

"In a 1977 speech, for example, then-future U.S. President Ronald Reagan planned to quote this alleged 1961 statement by Hall as proof of the evils of communism: 'I dream of the hour when the last congressman is strangled to death on the guts of the last preacher:eek: and since the Christians seem to love to sing about the blood, why not give them a little of it? Slit the throats of their children [and] draw them over the mourner's bench and the pulpit and allow them to drown in their own blood, and then see whether they enjoy singing those hymns.'

"This statement—which Reagan ultimately excised from his speech because he claimed he did not have the 'nerve' to say it—was supposedly read by Hall at the funeral oration of former CPUSA party chairman, William Z. Foster.[39]"
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georgephillip said:
Is Trump a bigger threat to US democracy than Gus Hall or John Brennan?

https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/john-brennan-cia-communist-vote/index.html

"So if back in 1980, John Brennan was allowed to say, 'I voted for the Communist Party with Gus Hall' ... and still got through, rest assured that your rights and your expressions and your freedom of speech as Americans is something that's not going to be disqualifying of you as you pursue a career in government."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Hall#Criticism

"Many conservatives saw Hall as a threat to America, with J. Edgar Hoover describing him as 'a powerful, deceitful, dangerous foe of Americanism'.[11]

"An inflammatory anti-Christian statement was falsely ascribed to Hall, earning him the hostility of some Christian groups, including Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority.[38]

"In a 1977 speech, for example, then-future U.S. President Ronald Reagan planned to quote this alleged 1961 statement by Hall as proof of the evils of communism: 'I dream of the hour when the last congressman is strangled to death on the guts of the last preacher:eek: and since the Christians seem to love to sing about the blood, why not give them a little of it? Slit the throats of their children [and] draw them over the mourner's bench and the pulpit and allow them to drown in their own blood, and then see whether they enjoy singing those hymns.'

"This statement—which Reagan ultimately excised from his speech because he claimed he did not have the 'nerve' to say it—was supposedly read by Hall at the funeral oration of former CPUSA party chairman, William Z. Foster.[39]"
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Yes, because it's not like the neo-Marxists like Brennan haven't led an all out assault of religion…oops!

Obviously, if you are a communist, then you would think Hall was no threat and Trump is the embodiment of evil. As for the rest of us, who look at the shit hole countries (and US cities) that communism has engendered, we're thinking we can probably survive Trump's Presidency. That is, unless you lefties succeed in goading him into a war with Russia to disprove the fake narrative that he's Putin's stooge. If so, is that his geopolitical mess, or yours?
 
Raoul_Luke said:
In Tweet hinting at the seething revolutionary angst resulting from their failed efforts to prevent Trump from being elected:

https://spectator.org/john-brennans-thwarted-coup/
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1. The "Trotsky quote" is actually a common figure of speech.
2. Secretary Robert Gates quoted Stalin while Secretary of Defense under Bush, and was kept on under Obama, and Trump quoted Mussolini while running for office.
3. Your claim that Brennan was an "ex-Communist" comes from his having voted for the Communist Party ... which was decidedly anti-Trotsky, committed as it was to Stalin's anti-communist turn.
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Yes, because it's not like the neo-Marxists like Brennan haven't led an all out assault of religion…oops!

Obviously, if you are a communist, then you would think Hall was no threat and Trump is the embodiment of evil. As for the rest of us, who look at the shit hole countries (and US cities) that communism has engendered, we're thinking we can probably survive Trump's Presidency. That is, unless you lefties succeed in goading him into a war with Russia to disprove the fake narrative that he's Putin's stooge. If so, is that his geopolitical mess, or yours?
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Brennan is a Catholic FWIW. Leftists didn't force Trump to seek Russian help saving his business empire and getting elected, unless you mean by running a strong campaign against him. No country has had a socialist revolution and ended up with a worse standard of living. No city in the U.S. has ever been governed by socialists.
 
Raoul_Luke said:
That is, unless you lefties succeed in goading him into a war with Russia to disprove the fake narrative that he's Putin's stooge. If so, is that his geopolitical mess, or yours?
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Do you understand Trump has been laundering money for the Russian mob for the last twenty-five years and how that affects his definition of the word "loyalty"?
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"GLOBAL WITNESS REPORT: TRUMP OCEAN CLUB, MONEY LAUNDERING, AND THE RUSSIAN MAFIA"
https://themoscowproject.org/dispatch/moscow-project-dispatch-11-17-2017/
 
EatTheRich said:
1. The "Trotsky quote" is actually a common figure of speech.
2. Secretary Robert Gates quoted Stalin while Secretary of Defense under Bush, and was kept on under Obama, and Trump quoted Mussolini while running for office.
3. Your claim that Brennan was an "ex-Communist" comes from his having voted for the Communist Party ... which was decidedly anti-Trotsky, committed as it was to Stalin's anti-communist turn.
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"Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin[note 1] (18 December 1878 – 5 March 1953) was a Soviet revolutionary and politician of Georgian ethnicity. Governing the Soviet Union from the mid-1920s until his death in 1953, he served as General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1922 to 1952 and as Premier of the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1953. Initially heading a collective one-party state government, by 1937 he was the country's de factodictator. Ideologically a Marxist and a Leninist, Stalin helped to formalise these ideas as Marxism–Leninism while his own policies became known as Stalinism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

How you have been spun that every communist is an anti-communist and every socialist is an anti-socialist has to be a wonder of human programming.
 
Colorforms said:
"Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin[note 1] (18 December 1878 – 5 March 1953) was a Soviet revolutionary and politician of Georgian ethnicity. Governing the Soviet Union from the mid-1920s until his death in 1953, he served as General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1922 to 1952 and as Premier of the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1953. Initially heading a collective one-party state government, by 1937 he was the country's de factodictator. Ideologically a Marxist and a Leninist, Stalin helped to formalise these ideas as Marxism–Leninism while his own policies became known as Stalinism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

How you have been spun that every communist is an anti-communist and every socialist is an anti-socialist has to be a wonder of human programming.
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Unlike you, I don't proceed from the assumption that Joseph Stalin was telling the truth. I look at his actual record and at the response to his movement by people with impeccable communist credentials.
 
EatTheRich said:
Unlike you, I don't proceed from the assumption that Joseph Stalin was telling the truth. I look at his actual record and at the response to his movement by people with impeccable communist credentials.
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In other words you're an alternative history buff.
 
EatTheRich said:
1. The "Trotsky quote" is actually a common figure of speech.
2. Secretary Robert Gates quoted Stalin while Secretary of Defense under Bush, and was kept on under Obama, and Trump quoted Mussolini while running for office.
3. Your claim that Brennan was an "ex-Communist" comes from his having voted for the Communist Party ... which was decidedly anti-Trotsky, committed as it was to Stalin's anti-communist turn.
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1. I know, it was a joke.
2. Neither of them ever joined the Communist Party.
3. I yield to your (obvious) superior knowledge about the nuances between communists on that. But, quite frankly, for the rest of us, that amounts to a distinction without a difference.
 
Raoul_Luke said:
1. I know, it was a joke.
2. Neither of them ever joined the Communist Party.
3. I yield to your (obvious) superior knowledge about the nuances between communists on that. But, quite frankly, for the rest of us, that amounts to a distinction without a difference.
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Brennan didn't join the CP either.
 
Raoul_Luke said:
Likely true, but then what do you call the $144 million in Russian "mob money" the Clintons got?
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There might be an issue of unpaid loans with Russians that applies to Manafort (and possibly Trump) that wouldn't pertain to the Clinton crime family:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russian-oligarch-oleg-deripaska-sues-manafort-gates-ny-n836586

"A company controlled and funded by Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaskahas sued former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his business partner Rick Gates for more than $25 million in damages over a failed business deal, court records show.

"Although Deripaska and the Americans have been in a long-running business dispute, the new suit uses Manafort and Gates' recent indictment in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation against them — citing it as proof of their fraudulent practices."
 
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