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Zam-Zam

Zam-Zam

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Interesting read:

Americans want to help people in need, but when government does that, about 500 billion taxpayer dollars get stolen.

It's how the system is designed, says the United Council on Welfare Fraud's Andrew McClenahan in this new video. "You're measuring success by the amount of money you put out."

Because of that, government agencies rarely check whether their handouts go to the right people.

Minnesota is just the latest example.

Government officials didn't uncover that fraud — YouTuber Nick Shirley did.

I say to McClenahan, "It's weird that a kid did what government investigators couldn't do."

"Articles back in 2018 talked about millions of dollars in suitcases being flown out of Minneapolis," he replies. "But it took a 20-year-old with an iPhone to go in there and expose it on Twitter."

After Shirley publicized the fraud, the White House froze billions in welfare payments.

Progressives didn't like that.

"What they are doing is creating confusion, chaos, trying to intimidate people," complains Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.). "There is no reason for them to fully stop funding these programs. The only reason they're doing that is for PR purposes."


Minnesota's Gov. Tim Walz was hardly better. "This is on my watch. I am accountable," he said.

But he did nothing about the fraud.

During the pandemic, President Joe Biden said: "My message to those cheats out there is this: You can't hide. We're going to find you!"

But they didn't.

Of the hundreds of billions stolen in 2024, the Department of Justice barely recovered $2.9 billion.




Complete text: https://www.creators.com/read/john-stossel/02/26/fraud-nation
 
Zam-Zam said:
Interesting read:

Americans want to help people in need, but when government does that, about 500 billion taxpayer dollars get stolen.

It's how the system is designed, says the United Council on Welfare Fraud's Andrew McClenahan in this new video. "You're measuring success by the amount of money you put out."

Because of that, government agencies rarely check whether their handouts go to the right people.

Minnesota is just the latest example.

Government officials didn't uncover that fraud — YouTuber Nick Shirley did.

I say to McClenahan, "It's weird that a kid did what government investigators couldn't do."

"Articles back in 2018 talked about millions of dollars in suitcases being flown out of Minneapolis," he replies. "But it took a 20-year-old with an iPhone to go in there and expose it on Twitter."

After Shirley publicized the fraud, the White House froze billions in welfare payments.

Progressives didn't like that.

"What they are doing is creating confusion, chaos, trying to intimidate people," complains Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.). "There is no reason for them to fully stop funding these programs. The only reason they're doing that is for PR purposes."


Minnesota's Gov. Tim Walz was hardly better. "This is on my watch. I am accountable," he said.

But he did nothing about the fraud.

During the pandemic, President Joe Biden said: "My message to those cheats out there is this: You can't hide. We're going to find you!"

But they didn't.

Of the hundreds of billions stolen in 2024, the Department of Justice barely recovered $2.9 billion.




Complete text: https://www.creators.com/read/john-stossel/02/26/fraud-nation
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Shirley did not discover the fraud in Minnesota. The Minnesota AG had been going after fraud cases going back to 2022.

Observers and analysts place Minnesota’s prosecutions within a larger pattern of Medicaid and pandemic‑era fraud enforcement: Reason noted that state Medicaid Fraud Control Units reported more than 1,151 convictions nationwide in 2024 with over $1.4 billion recovered, signaling that Minnesota is part of a broader enforcement wave even as its cases have attracted unusually intense media and political attention
 
Zam-Zam said:
Interesting read:

Americans want to help people in need, but when government does that, about 500 billion taxpayer dollars get stolen.

It's how the system is designed, says the United Council on Welfare Fraud's Andrew McClenahan in this new video. "You're measuring success by the amount of money you put out."

Because of that, government agencies rarely check whether their handouts go to the right people.

Minnesota is just the latest example.

Government officials didn't uncover that fraud — YouTuber Nick Shirley did.

I say to McClenahan, "It's weird that a kid did what government investigators couldn't do."

"Articles back in 2018 talked about millions of dollars in suitcases being flown out of Minneapolis," he replies. "But it took a 20-year-old with an iPhone to go in there and expose it on Twitter."

After Shirley publicized the fraud, the White House froze billions in welfare payments.

Progressives didn't like that.

"What they are doing is creating confusion, chaos, trying to intimidate people," complains Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.). "There is no reason for them to fully stop funding these programs. The only reason they're doing that is for PR purposes."


Minnesota's Gov. Tim Walz was hardly better. "This is on my watch. I am accountable," he said.

But he did nothing about the fraud.

During the pandemic, President Joe Biden said: "My message to those cheats out there is this: You can't hide. We're going to find you!"

But they didn't.

Of the hundreds of billions stolen in 2024, the Department of Justice barely recovered $2.9 billion.




Complete text: https://www.creators.com/read/john-stossel/02/26/fraud-nation
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All fraud should be prosecuted severely. And anyone that is not a citizen of the country that is caught committing it should be deported. PERIOD. That part of the piece is correct. He is also correct in pointing out that liberals tend to throw money at the problem without taking a good enough look at what that money accomplishes.



middleview said:
Shirley did not discover the fraud in Minnesota. The Minnesota AG had been going after fraud cases going back to 2022.

Observers and analysts place Minnesota’s prosecutions within a larger pattern of Medicaid and pandemic‑era fraud enforcement: Reason noted that state Medicaid Fraud Control Units reported more than 1,151 convictions nationwide in 2024 with over $1.4 billion recovered, signaling that Minnesota is part of a broader enforcement wave even as its cases have attracted unusually intense media and political attention
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The budget of Minnesota is about $67Billion per year. The fraud amounts to about $9Billion. It is inexcusable for that amount of fraud to occur in a state that size. Tim Walz is responsible. It happened on his watch and the buck stops there.
 
PNWest said:
All fraud should be prosecuted severely. And anyone that is not a citizen of the country that is caught committing it should be deported. PERIOD. That part of the piece is correct. He is also correct in pointing out that liberals tend to throw money at the problem without taking a good enough look at what that money accomplishes.





The budget of Minnesota is about $67Billion per year. The fraud amounts to about $9Billion. It is inexcusable for that amount of fraud to occur in a state that size. Tim Walz is responsible. It happened on his watch and the buck stops there.
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That $9billion figure has been used for a while now. I suspect that figure will be much higher once they do more fraud investigations/ They had only gotten started.
 
PNWest said:
All fraud should be prosecuted severely. And anyone that is not a citizen of the country that is caught committing it should be deported. PERIOD. That part of the piece is correct. He is also correct in pointing out that liberals tend to throw money at the problem without taking a good enough look at what that money accomplishes.





The budget of Minnesota is about $67Billion per year. The fraud amounts to about $9Billion. It is inexcusable for that amount of fraud to occur in a state that size. Tim Walz is responsible. It happened on his watch and the buck stops there.
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That $9billion figure has been used for a while now. I suspect that figure will be much higher once they do more fraud investigations/ They had only gotten started.
 
PNWest said:
All fraud should be prosecuted severely. And anyone that is not a citizen of the country that is caught committing it should be deported. PERIOD. That part of the piece is correct. He is also correct in pointing out that liberals tend to throw money at the problem without taking a good enough look at what that money accomplishes.





The budget of Minnesota is about $67Billion per year. The fraud amounts to about $9Billion. It is inexcusable for that amount of fraud to occur in a state that size. Tim Walz is responsible. It happened on his watch and the buck stops there.
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I've read it's more like $18 Billion
just as with number of illegals and fraud, no one knows the numbers
 
PNWest said:
All fraud should be prosecuted severely. And anyone that is not a citizen of the country that is caught committing it should be deported. PERIOD. That part of the piece is correct. He is also correct in pointing out that liberals tend to throw money at the problem without taking a good enough look at what that money accomplishes.





The budget of Minnesota is about $67Billion per year. The fraud amounts to about $9Billion. It is inexcusable for that amount of fraud to occur in a state that size. Tim Walz is responsible. It happened on his watch and the buck stops there.
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It seems unfathomable to me that fraud was committed on that grand of a scale and the governor of the state and his administration did not have a clue what was going on.

Is that ignorance? Or is it willful ignorance?

From the article:

In addition, many state politicians don't try to find fraud. Handouts mostly come from the federal government, so local politicians reason: "People in other states pay, but my taxpayers collect! Why make a big effort to stop that?"

Trump recently gave investigators more access to state data, so fraud could be better tracked. But some states don't want to reveal that data.

"They're actively suing the government!" complains McClenahan.

Whenever government gives handouts, it creates bad incentives.
 
Zam-Zam said:
It seems unfathomable to me that fraud was committed on that grand of a scale and the governor of the state and his administration did not have a clue what was going on.

Is that ignorance? Or is it willful ignorance?

From the article:

In addition, many state politicians don't try to find fraud. Handouts mostly come from the federal government, so local politicians reason: "People in other states pay, but my taxpayers collect! Why make a big effort to stop that?"

Trump recently gave investigators more access to state data, so fraud could be better tracked. But some states don't want to reveal that data.

"They're actively suing the government!" complains McClenahan.

Whenever government gives handouts, it creates bad incentives.
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Never underestimate the stupidity and incompetence of the people that the Democrats choose as their leaders. Tim Walz doesn't strike me as corrupt. He does strike me as incompetent. Regardless - he didn't do the job he was elected to do.
 
PNWest said:
Never underestimate the stupidity and incompetence of the people that the Democrats choose as their leaders. Tim Walz doesn't strike me as corrupt. He does strike me as incompetent. Regardless - he didn't do the job he was elected to do.
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I have no reason to believe that he is corrupt in the sense that he was pocketing money - I've seen no evidence of that.

I do not think it is unreasonable to surmise that he knew something "fishy" was going on and would rather not look into it with any great enthusiasm because it might prove to be embarrassing to him. That is, IMHO, a breach of the public trust and a form of corruption as well.
 
Zam-Zam said:
It seems unfathomable to me that fraud was committed on that grand of a scale and the governor of the state and his administration did not have a clue what was going on.

Is that ignorance? Or is it willful ignorance?

From the article:

In addition, many state politicians don't try to find fraud. Handouts mostly come from the federal government, so local politicians reason: "People in other states pay, but my taxpayers collect! Why make a big effort to stop that?"

Trump recently gave investigators more access to state data, so fraud could be better tracked. But some states don't want to reveal that data.

"They're actively suing the government!" complains McClenahan.

Whenever government gives handouts, it creates bad incentives.
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You ignore that state convictions in these cases go back to 2022. The problem really has to do with legislation passed in 2020 to attempt to help people through the pandemic. The controls were not there to prevent fraud because the legislation has passed in such a hurry.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Interesting read:

Americans want to help people in need, but when government does that, about 500 billion taxpayer dollars get stolen.

It's how the system is designed, says the United Council on Welfare Fraud's Andrew McClenahan in this new video. "You're measuring success by the amount of money you put out."

Because of that, government agencies rarely check whether their handouts go to the right people.

Minnesota is just the latest example.

Government officials didn't uncover that fraud — YouTuber Nick Shirley did.

I say to McClenahan, "It's weird that a kid did what government investigators couldn't do."

"Articles back in 2018 talked about millions of dollars in suitcases being flown out of Minneapolis," he replies. "But it took a 20-year-old with an iPhone to go in there and expose it on Twitter."

After Shirley publicized the fraud, the White House froze billions in welfare payments.

Progressives didn't like that.

"What they are doing is creating confusion, chaos, trying to intimidate people," complains Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.). "There is no reason for them to fully stop funding these programs. The only reason they're doing that is for PR purposes."


Minnesota's Gov. Tim Walz was hardly better. "This is on my watch. I am accountable," he said.

But he did nothing about the fraud.

During the pandemic, President Joe Biden said: "My message to those cheats out there is this: You can't hide. We're going to find you!"

But they didn't.

Of the hundreds of billions stolen in 2024, the Department of Justice barely recovered $2.9 billion.




Complete text: https://www.creators.com/read/john-stossel/02/26/fraud-nation
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i measure success differently:

- the number of homeless living on the streets.

- fentanyl overdoses

- the high school dropout rate

- the $380,000 national debt per american household
 
Zam-Zam said:
I have no reason to believe that he is corrupt in the sense that he was pocketing money - I've seen no evidence of that.

I do not think it is unreasonable to surmise that he knew something "fishy" was going on and would rather not look into it with any great enthusiasm because it might prove to be embarrassing to him. That is, IMHO, a breach of the public trust and a form of corruption as well.
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I see it as incompetence, not as corruption - YMMV
 
PNWest said:
Never underestimate the stupidity and incompetence of the people that the Democrats choose as their leaders. Tim Walz doesn't strike me as corrupt. He does strike me as incompetent. Regardless - he didn't do the job he was elected to do.
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Since you posted that, just read where Oregon only needs 20,000 more names on the petition to put on the Nov ballot to Ban fishing/hunting/killing livestock
There's what ya get when you elected Leftist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Dawg said:
Since you posted that, just read where Oregon only needs 20,000 more names on the petition to put on the Nov ballot to Ban fishing/hunting/killing livestock
There's what ya get when you elected Leftist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Whew! I got outta there just in time. The ironclad far leftist blue supermajority cannot and will not check itself. It isn’t just one-party rule, it is a rigid fundamentalist monolith. They will destroy themselves.
 
RickWA said:
Whew! I got outta there just in time. The ironclad far leftist blue supermajority cannot and will not check itself. It isn’t just one-party rule, it is a rigid fundamentalist monolith. They will destroy themselves.
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If passed, wildlife will be eating the paint off leftist homes and Bessie the Cow will be considered a pet like they kittens.
A veggie state doesn't sound pleasant
waiting for the next sensible farmer OP
 
middleview said:
Shirley did not discover the fraud in Minnesota. The Minnesota AG had been going after fraud cases going back to 2022.

Observers and analysts place Minnesota’s prosecutions within a larger pattern of Medicaid and pandemic‑era fraud enforcement: Reason noted that state Medicaid Fraud Control Units reported more than 1,151 convictions nationwide in 2024 with over $1.4 billion recovered, signaling that Minnesota is part of a broader enforcement wave even as its cases have attracted unusually intense media and political attention
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The Felonious Fraudster would get a big kick out of this thread.
 
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