Free Stuff

[American Patriot]

With the presidential election campaigns in high gear and when the focus should be on our economy many are being swayed by the Democrats promises of more free stuff, more entitlements. Obama has stated clearly that he is in favor of redistribution of wealth, this is socialism pure and simple. What he is really saying is that if you work hard, become successful and make a lot of money, he will take part of that money and give it those who do not work so hard if at all. The problem with this is that there are not enough successful wealthy business people to support the ever increasing numbers of those who now believe the government should provide their every need, food, housing, cell phones, spending money, health care, child care, medicine, transportation, and just about everything in between. You can see the problem with this strategy, someone has to pay for all of this free stuff. Right now the U.S. government borrows nearly four billion dollars a day to sustain itself. But let us look at what is really happening. We now have a sixteen plus trillion dollar national debt, Obama has spent five trillion dollars in just under four years. Unemployment remains at around eight point three percent, an estimated twenty six million Americans are out of work or under employed, one in six Americans now lives below the poverty level, two in six Americans receive some form of government assistance, there is now an estimated sixty three million Americans on food stamps. On top of all of this is the failed economic policies of the Obama administration. Friends, we are headed for economic disaster. Obama seems like a nice enough person, a good family man, he is intelligent and a quick thinker but it is clear he is leading our nation down a path of economic doom. I have listened to Mr. Obama ask for more time, claiming his policies are working, it should be obvious to anyone that these policies not only are not working but are actually hurting our economy. I do not believe more time is needed, what is needed are different policies, a real budget, spending cuts, and yes, inevitably fewer entitlements. This agenda will not be popular with the millions who believe that the government should provide their every need, that free stuff. Turns out that this free stuff is not free at all, someone has to pay for it. Our nation is on the edge of the economic cliff, fiscal restraint is what must be instituted now. It is impossible to spend your way into prosperity. The Obama philosophy is clear, the more folks he can make dependent on the government the more votes he is guaranteed. The short fall in this is that we are out of money, we are now borrowing forty two cents of every dollar our government spends. Yet the spending goes on, with the Fed printing money out of thin air. Ask yourself this very basic question, if you ran your personal fiances by borrowing forty two percent of what you spent, how long would it take for you to realize you were bankrupt? Not to very long I would guess. We are now faced with a crucial and critical choice come November sixth. It should be evident to anyone that staying the course is not an option, it has not and will not work. Our nation is facing grave consequences if we do not do something to fix our economy right now, we are out of time, we are out of money and few solutions remain. Truth is that we cannot any longer afford all of this free stuff.

 

[OldGaffer]

Paragraphs are your friend, your screed is unreadable.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Paragraphs are your friend, your screed is unreadable.

True, but irrelevant. It's just another long-winded version of I hate "blahs".

What it should say is; "I'm willing to vote against my own self interest just to get this guy out of my White House."

 

[American Patriot]

True, but irrelevant. It's just another long-winded version of I hate "blahs".

What it should say is; "I'm willing to vote against my own self interest just to get this guy out of my White House."

I have nothing personal against Mr. Obama. But when I look at his record and the overwhelming statistics the picture is not one that facilitates any degree of successful problem solving, if fact much of what Mr. Obama has done has hurt small businesses, the employment situation, and overall economic recovery. That is why I think this election is so important. If we continue down the path we seem to be headed we will come face to face with economic disaster in a very short amount of time. Mr. Obama has not even passed a budget in more than three years and he continues borrowing vast sums of cash everyday to sustain his bloated government. Big government is not the answer, neither are policies that fail repeatedly. Everyone likes free stuff, but the fact of the matter is that someone has to pay for all that free stuff. Economic reality will soon step in and we will literally be forced to re-access where all this capital is being spent, by then I am afraid it will be to late and our nation will suffer, every American will be effected and our economy could collapse. So is it in your best own self interest to continue to demand entitlements we cannot afford? Do you not see the forest for the trees? Statistics do not lie, most politicians do. If you look at the stats we are in deep and yet we are continuing to dig the hole deeper.

 

[NightSwimmer]

I have nothing personal against Mr. Obama. But when I look at his record and the overwhelming statistics the picture is not one that facilitates any degree of successful problem solving, if fact much of what Mr. Obama has done has hurt small businesses, the employment situation, and overall economic recovery. That is why I think this election is so important. If we continue down the path we seem to be headed we will come face to face with economic disaster in a very short amount of time. Mr. Obama has not even passed a budget in more than three years and he continues borrowing vast sums of cash everyday to sustain his bloated government. Big government is not the answer, neither are policies that fail repeatedly. Everyone likes free stuff, but the fact of the matter is that someone has to pay for all that free stuff. Economic reality will soon step in and we will literally be forced to re-access where all this capital is being spent, by then I am afraid it will be to late and our nation will suffer, every American will be effected and our economy could collapse. So is it in your best own self interest to continue to demand entitlements we cannot afford? Do you not see the forest for the trees? Statistics do not lie, most politicians do. If you look at the stats we are in deep and yet we are continuing to dig the hole deeper.

We already faced down economic disaster -- under the previous administration. You're calling for a return to those same, failed policies. I'm not buying. I've lived enough of my life among your culture. I know the code words and I know the attitude all too well. Maybe you can convince yourself that you aren't motivated by racism, if you're into that sort of thing. Good luck with that.

 

[American Patriot]

We already faced down economic disaster -- under the previous administration. You're calling for a return to those same, failed policies. I'm not buying. I've lived enough of my life among your culture. I know the code words and I know the attitude all too well. Maybe you can convince yourself that you aren't motivated by racism, if you're into that sort of thing. Good luck with that.

I strongly resent the insinuation that I am a racist. I never suggested we return to the agenda of any previous administration. Code words? You mean statistics, facts do not lie, Sir. The facts are plain and simple, a sixteen trillion plus dollar national deficit, 26 million unemployed not counting those who have given up looking for work. Real unemployment numbers actually raise the unemployment figures to around 17.9 percent. One in six Americans at or below the poverty level, two in six Americans receiving some form of government assistance, 63 million Americans on food stamps. Obama has spend or I should say wasted 5.3 Trillion dollars on pipe dreams that did not work. I can go on and on, wasted billions on failed green energy companies, buy outs, bail outs, a trillion dollar failed stimulus, economic policies that have crippled American small business, 88 thousand pages of new government regulations that are estimated to cost the average business owner over one hundred thousand dollars to comply with, a corrupt Justice Department, Obama Care that is proven to, if implemented, bankrupt this nation, endless entitlements, the list seems endless and it is all part of a progressive, socialist government agenda designed to fundamentally change our country, it will change it alright it will destroy our economy, make our currency worthless, and make people like you wonder what were you thinking. I am not a racist but I guess with folks like you when confronted with the truth it is your last best card to play in an Obama world that cannot stand on it's own record or even profess to have real solutions or even a budget that will work. So wave on my friend, vote for a person who has absolutely no clue how to fix this economy and even less hope of trying.

 

[degsme]

I strongly resent the insinuation that I am a racist.

Bummer. You are SUPPOSED TO resent it. As you said. facts are facts... and they lead to a conclusion.

I never suggested we return to the agenda of any previous administration. Code words? You mean statistics, facts do not lie, Sir. The facts are plain and simple, a sixteen trillion plus dollar national deficit, 26 million unemployed not counting those who have given up looking for work. Real unemployment numbers actually raise the unemployment figures to around 17.9 percent. One in six Americans at or below the poverty level, two in six Americans receiving some form of government assistance, 63 million Americans on food stamps. Obama has spend or I should say wasted 5.3 Trillion dollars on pipe dreams that did not work. I can go on and on,

Um you do realize that THESE are all attributable almost directly to the previous administration you claim to not want to return to.

wasted billions on failed green energy companies,

as well as succesfull investment of billions in green energy companies - but you cherry pick our data

and no the stimulus DID NOT FAIL... it did a bit more than it expected to.. Even the GOP funded CBO admits that. Again you make things up.

Now as to economic policies crippling small business. NAME ONE such policy that was INITIATED BY THIS ADMINISTRATION.

88 thousand pages of new government regulations that are estimated to cost the average business owner over one hundred thousand dollars to comply with,

You do realize NOT ONE OF THOSE has gone into effect yet. and that the $100k price tag includes averaging in companies with hundreds of thousands of employees.

a corrupt Justice Department,

Really? How? Where is the DoJ Corruot? Or is it that a black man running the DoJ could not be anything but corrupt?

yes FACTS MATTER got any?

Obama Care that is proven to, if implemented, bankrupt this nation,

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Nothing of the sort is "proven" by anything other than just insistance.

I am not a racist

Well you clearly dont SEE yourself as one... but when you call the DoJ "corrupt" but have no evidence to support it its kinda hard to take you seriously

 

[degsme]

. Obama has stated clearly that he is in favor of redistribution of wealth, this is socialism pure and simple.

No it isn't. Wealth redistribution is a fundamental function of EVERY society - though different societies have different goals and mechanisms for this redistribution.

SOCIALISM otoh is simply government ownership of the means of production.

I have listened to Mr. Obama ask for more time, claiming his policies are working, it should be obvious to anyone that these policies not only are not working but are actually hurting our economy. I do not believe more time is needed, what is needed are different policies, a real budget, spending cuts, and yes, inevitably fewer entitlements.

You do realize that the

• current taxing policy is from CONSERVATIVES (Congress and WH in 2002)
• current DoD spending policy is from CONSERVATIVES (Congress and WH circa 2005)
• Banking Bailout was from the Conservative GWB
• Economic crash was from Conservative (Phil Gramm, GWB) deregulatory policies - in fact the crash was almost IDENTICAL to Reagan's S&L crash of the 1984/5 time period

so do tell how any of your policy solutions differ from this.

if you ran your personal fiances by borrowing forty two percent of what you spent, how long would it take for you to realize you were bankrupt?

all depends on what YOUR ASSETS WERE... Borrowing in excess of your spending is not inherently a problem. what matters is ALL THE NUMBERS something of course you don't seem interested in considering.

Our nation is facing grave consequences if we do not do something to fix our economy right now, we are out of time, we are out of money

We are not out of time and we are not even close to "out of money"... yes there are grave consequences if we follow YOUR SUGGESTIONS...
We will see a double dip recession JUST LIKE ENGLAND HAS SEEN, and it will cripple our ability to recover for about another 6 years.

But the USA can survive that.

 

[American Patriot]

Bummer. You are SUPPOSED TO resent it. As you said. facts are facts... and they lead to a conclusion.


Um you do realize that THESE are all attributable almost directly to the previous administration you claim to not want to return to.



as well as succesfull investment of billions in green energy companies - but you cherry pick our data

and no the stimulus DID NOT FAIL... it did a bit more than it expected to.. Even the GOP funded CBO admits that. Again you make things up.

Now as to economic policies crippling small business. NAME ONE such policy that was INITIATED BY THIS ADMINISTRATION.



You do realize NOT ONE OF THOSE has gone into effect yet. and that the $100k price tag includes averaging in companies with hundreds of thousands of employees.



Really? How? Where is the DoJ Corruot? Or is it that a black man running the DoJ could not be anything but corrupt?

yes FACTS MATTER got any?

e
Nothing of the sort is "proven" by anything other than just insistance.

Well you clearly dont SEE yourself as one... but when you call the DoJ "corrupt" but have no evidence to support it its kinda hard to take you seriously

Eric Holder was nearly held in contempt for with holding information concerning Fast and Furious, it was evident that he lied not once but on several occasions. Had it not been for Mr. Obama electing to use executive privilege Mr. Holder could have been indited and charged with numerous crimes. Time and again Mr. Holder has postured the DOJ to reflect the political desires of the Obama administration, case in point the black panther debacle where two black panthers stood outside a polling place with weapons intimidating prospective voters. Mr. Holder not only knew about Fast and Furious he sent e-mails concerning this matter then when he testified before Congress he lied about his knowledge of these and other matters. I find it impossible to take you seriously, again when presented with facts you refute the facts, then make blatant assumptions and twist the statements made to fit your Obama agenda. Accusing me of being racist is the only card you have to play as you know what I am saying is true and correct. You and people like you have a progressive socialist agenda that will manifest itself in total failure, both economically as well as socially. You have no clue what you are taking about and only make weak and false inundation that makes my argument all the stronger. Statistics do not lie, and when we analyze the Obama record using these statistics it becomes blatantly evident beyond any doubt that Mr. Obama has not only failed our nation as our president, but he is also taking us off an economic cliff that will result in disaster, like so many gremlins. You posture your self an a political intellect but your statements are riddled with assumptions, false data, and political gamesmanship of the worst order. Again , I am not a racist, and before you go accusing anyone of such a title I suggest you go look in the mirror.

 

[American Patriot]

No it isn't. Wealth redistribution is a fundamental function of EVERY society - though different societies have different goals and mechanisms for this redistribution.

SOCIALISM otoh is simply government ownership of the means of production.



You do realize that the

• current taxing policy is from CONSERVATIVES (Congress and WH in 2002)
• current DoD spending policy is from CONSERVATIVES (Congress and WH circa 2005)
• Banking Bailout was from the Conservative GWB
• Economic crash was from Conservative (Phil Gramm, GWB) deregulatory policies - in fact the crash was almost IDENTICAL to Reagan's S&L crash of the 1984/5 time period

so do tell how any of your policy solutions differ from this.


all depends on what YOUR ASSETS WERE... Borrowing in excess of your spending is not inherently a problem. what matters is ALL THE NUMBERS something of course you don't seem interested in considering.


We are not out of time and we are not even close to "out of money"... yes there are grave consequences if we follow YOUR SUGGESTIONS...
We will see a double dip recession JUST LIKE ENGLAND HAS SEEN, and it will cripple our ability to recover for about another 6 years.

But the USA can survive that.

You must be a total Idiot. It matters not who is to blame, but rather who and how we solve these issues. Blame never solved anything. Mr. Obama knew when elected what he was inheriting, he knew about the issues, he promised to solve these problems. He has actually made may of these calamities fundamentally worse and in some cases much worse, that Sir is the definition of FAILURE.

 

[degsme]

Eric Holder was held in contempt on a Party Line vote for refusing to turn over documents Congress has no Constitutional authority to demand. Documents that had no documentation of the F&F program itself, but purely on the PRIVATE DELIBERATIONS OF THE PRESIDENT on how to address the RESULTS of the F&F program.

You are misrepresenting the facts to such a provable extent it is hard to take you seriously for example

. Holder not only knew about Fast and Furious he sent e-mails concerning this matter then when he testified before Congress he lied about his knowledge of these and other matters.

Holder did know about F&F when he was asked to testify.. why? because THEN he was briefed. And the IG's report VERIFIES THIS

Proof of your racist bias is this

case in point the black panther debacle where two black panthers stood outside a polling place with weapons intimidating prospective voters

this NEVER TOOK PLACE

what took place was that two NON RESIDENTS tried to ILLEGALLY VIDEO TAPE inside the voting center. As they approached the voting center, two young African American volunteers asked them what they were doing. AND NOTHING MORE.

FACTS MATTER, the ACTUAL FACTS not the narrow one sided claim you make.

And why would you make this claim?
Why would you MIS-represent white conservative NON-VOTERS as voters
Why would you MIS-represent two volunteers as 'black panthers' - when at best they were members of a DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION (albeit with a similar name)?

why? race raises its ugly head.

As it does in demonizing Obama as a "socialist" when he has done nothing even remotely 'socialist' WRT what that word ACTUALLY MEANS in economics and political science.

It is true that statistics do not lie. But what is a lie is to misattribute causality for those statistics- which is what ou are doing.

You posture your self an a political intellect but your statements are riddled with assumptions, false data, and political gamesmanship of the worst order

Hmm then SHOW WHERE THAT IS SO. Show us sources for your claims... I've sourced my positions many times (albeit not in this particular thread)

I have yet to see YOU source anything from independently verifiable sources.

 

[American Patriot]

Eric Holder was held in contempt on a Party Line vote for refusing to turn over documents Congress has no Constitutional authority to demand. Documents that had no documentation of the F&F program itself, but purely on the PRIVATE DELIBERATIONS OF THE PRESIDENT on how to address the RESULTS of the F&F program.

You are misrepresenting the facts to such a provable extent it is hard to take you seriously for example


Holder did know about F&F when he was asked to testify.. why? because THEN he was briefed. And the IG's report VERIFIES THIS

Proof of your racist bias is this


this NEVER TOOK PLACE

what took place was that two NON RESIDENTS tried to ILLEGALLY VIDEO TAPE inside the voting center. As they approached the voting center, two young African American volunteers asked them what they were doing. AND NOTHING MORE.

FACTS MATTER, the ACTUAL FACTS not the narrow one sided claim you make.

And why would you make this claim?
Why would you MIS-represent white conservative NON-VOTERS as voters
Why would you MIS-represent two volunteers as 'black panthers' - when at best they were members of a DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION (albeit with a similar name)?

why? race raises its ugly head.

As it does in demonizing Obama as a "socialist" when he has done nothing even remotely 'socialist' WRT what that word ACTUALLY MEANS in economics and political science.

It is true that statistics do not lie. But what is a lie is to misattribute causality for those statistics- which is what ou are doing.


Hmm then SHOW WHERE THAT IS SO. Show us sources for your claims... I've sourced my positions many times (albeit not in this particular thread)

I have yet to see YOU source anything from independently verifiable sources.

You have got to be kidding. The video of these two black panthers is all over the internet they identified themselves as such. Holder chose to ignore this crime and others like it.
Secondly, in the past I have provided numerous sources to the Far Far Left Socialists like you, who then contend that the sources are not credible or the sources are from Fox news or from the conservatives, It does absolutely no good with people like you to source anything as you are to blind to realize the truth and see reality for what it is.

 

[degsme]

You must be a total Idiot. It matters not who is to blame, but rather who and how we solve these issues. Blame never solved anything.

So then why are you trying to BLAME Obama for issues he has not been allowed to address?
why are you BLAMING him for not anticipating a racist filibuster by the GOP? After all, when GWB was elected WITHOUT winning the popular vote, he was filibustered HALF AS MUCH as Obama who DID win the popular vote. and as I linked earlier but will happily do again http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~sstephen/papers/RacialAnimusAndVotingSethStephensDavidowitz.pdf The resistance to Obama is heavily influenced by racism

Mr. Obama knew when elected what he was inheriting,

No - actually NO ONE knew at the time how bad it was. NO ONE knew that in the month before he was inagurated we lost 820,000 jobs until a month AFTER the inaguration. That's just the factual time line.

But that has ZERO BEARING on Obama not anticipating a racist response by the GOP senate

. He has actually made may of these calamities fundamentally worse and in some cases much worse, that Sir is the definition of FAILURE.

it would be if you could FACTUALLY support it. You cannot. In fact the facts are TO THE CONTRARY.

for example - the stimulus - which you claim is a "failure" actually OUTPERFORMED what it promised. it PROMISED to save or create between 2.5 and 3.5 million jobs and reduce the worst case unemployment by 3%.

the GOP funded Congressional Budget Office report puts the Stimulus as saving 3 million jobs (500,000 above the minimum promised) and dropping worst case unemployment by about 3.2%. the OMB and GAO put the number higher..

So explain how your definition of 'failure' includes exceeding what you promise to deliver?

BTW about the bit of calling people idiots... what was it that Socrates said? Oh yeah

"When the Debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser".

 

[American Patriot]

So then why are you trying to BLAME Obama for issues he has not been allowed to address?
why are you BLAMING him for not anticipating a racist filibuster by the GOP? After all, when GWB was elected WITHOUT winning the popular vote, he was filibustered HALF AS MUCH as Obama who DID win the popular vote. and as I linked earlier but will happily do again http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~sstephen/papers/RacialAnimusAndVotingSethStephensDavidowitz.pdf The resistance to Obama is heavily influenced by racism


No - actually NO ONE knew at the time how bad it was. NO ONE knew that in the month before he was inagurated we lost 820,000 jobs until a month AFTER the inaguration. That's just the factual time line.

But that has ZERO BEARING on Obama not anticipating a racist response by the GOP senate


it would be if you could FACTUALLY support it. You cannot. In fact the facts are TO THE CONTRARY.

for example - the stimulus - which you claim is a "failure" actually OUTPERFORMED what it promised. it PROMISED to save or create between 2.5 and 3.5 million jobs and reduce the worst case unemployment by 3%.

the GOP funded Congressional Budget Office report puts the Stimulus as saving 3 million jobs (500,000 above the minimum promised) and dropping worst case unemployment by about 3.2%. the OMB and GAO put the number higher..

So explain how your definition of 'failure' includes exceeding what you promise to deliver?

BTW about the bit of calling people idiots... what was it that Socrates said? Oh yeah

"When the Debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser".

I believe, Sir it was you who first accused me of being racist. To assume that by being critical of Mr. Obama is racist makes about as much sense as the rest of your convoluted argument does. Your love for Mr. Obama and his progressive far left socialist agenda does not change the facts, unemployment remains at 8.3 %, Mr. Obama had previously stated that he would not run again if this were the case. Mr. Obama has broken or not kept 82 campaign promises, these are facts, not innuendo. The statistics clearly indicate that if we proceed with a duplicate of the last four years our economy will collapse, these are facts, not political rhetoric. You really need to cut way back on the Kool-Aid and wake up to reality.

 

[degsme]

I believe, Sir it was you who first accused me of being racist.

yes but its not slander. you can be critical of Obama without being racist. but to do so requires that your criticism be FACTUALLY Based and not myths that are indistinguishable from those put forth historically by racists.

you have failed that test.

Like racists of old you call A black leader

• a failure - without supporting it factually
• Dangerous to the nation - without supporting it
• Unamerican (socialist is a code word for that since Obama is nowhere near socialist) without supporting it
• Corrupt - without supporting it factually
• Fiscally incompetent - without supporting it factually

These are all old racist myths and you have not supported one of them You then similarly accuse Holder of similar things without factually supporting them or by leaving out inconvenient facts that eviscerate your claims. Holder also happens to be a black leader.

Your love for Mr. Obama and his progressive far left socialist agenda does not change the facts, unemployment remains at 8.3 %

That is true... but that is because the GOP has filibustered any proposals Obama has put forth to address that.

, Mr. Obama had previously stated that he would not run again if this were the case.

Where and when? And was it not predicated on being allowed to impelment HIS POLICIES?

Mr. Obama has broken or not kept 82 campaign promises, these are facts, not innuendo

No they are not facts. they are innuendo, because promises that he made a good faith effort to keep but was blocked by an unprecedented GOP filibuster are not promises not kept or broken. they are promises thwarted by a borderline treasonous and racist conservative block


You need to stop being dishonest by cherry picking data.

 

[degsme]

You have got to be kidding. The video of these two black panthers is all over the internet they identified themselves as such.

No they did not... they identified themselves as NEW Black Panther members... that is a DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION and you have not bothered to discover that in your prejudice.

Holder chose to ignore this crime and others like it.

There WAS NO CRIME.... no voters were threatened much less intimidated. Two white boys who WERE NOT LEGAL VOTERS in that district - who SOUGHT TO BREAK THE FEDERAL LAW AGAINST VIDEOTAPING IN A POLLING AREA - were kept from breaking the law.

Where is that a crime?

Secondly, in the past I have provided numerous sources to the Far Far Left Socialists like you, who then contend that the sources are not credible or the sources are from Fox news or from the conservatives,

Correct. because they are not INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE SOURCES... a blog post that someone concocts IS NOT A FACTUAL SOURCE

See a FACT is when an INDEPENDENT OBSERVER CAN VERIFY IT... you do not offer such sources... and yes.. IT does no good to offer NON FACTUAL sources... because they are MEANINGLESS except to the KoolAde drinkingmind.

 

[Friday13]

 

[American Patriot]

yes but its not slander. you can be critical of Obama without being racist. but to do so requires that your criticism be FACTUALLY Based and not myths that are indistinguishable from those put forth historically by racists.

you have failed that test.

Like racists of old you call A black leader

• a failure - without supporting it factually
• Dangerous to the nation - without supporting it
• Unamerican (socialist is a code word for that since Obama is nowhere near socialist) without supporting it
• Corrupt - without supporting it factually
• Fiscally incompetent - without supporting it factually

These are all old racist myths and you have not supported one of them You then similarly accuse Holder of similar things without factually supporting them or by leaving out inconvenient facts that eviscerate your claims. Holder also happens to be a black leader.



That is true... but that is because the GOP has filibustered any proposals Obama has put forth to address that.


Where and when? And was it not predicated on being allowed to impelment HIS POLICIES?


No they are not facts. they are innuendo, because promises that he made a good faith effort to keep but was blocked by an unprecedented GOP filibuster are not promises not kept or broken. they are promises thwarted by a borderline treasonous and racist conservative block


You need to stop being dishonest by cherry picking data.

Discussing the Obama record with you is a total waste of time. When presented with facts you refute them, when commonly known statistics are presented you deny them. I strongly disagree with your statement that calling someone a racist is not slanderous, it is far beyond slanderous, it is insulting, demeaning and constitutes a race based accusation that has no merit what so ever. I take offense to your accusation and warn you of further false accusations. Your arguments are without merit and demonstrate the same political posturing that Mr. Obama continues to use, class warfare, the blame game, deny, detract, and deceive. It continues to astonish me that people like you continue to live in a fantasy land of a political agenda that has not only failed but has no real solutions or answers to issues our nation is facing. Again, might be a real hot idea to cut way back on the Kool-Aid and get a grip on what is really happening to our country.

 

[American Patriot]

No they did not... they identified themselves as NEW Black Panther members... that is a DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION and you have not bothered to discover that in your prejudice.


There WAS NO CRIME.... no voters were threatened much less intimidated. Two white boys who WERE NOT LEGAL VOTERS in that district - who SOUGHT TO BREAK THE FEDERAL LAW AGAINST VIDEOTAPING IN A POLLING AREA - were kept from breaking the law.

Where is that a crime?



Correct. because they are not INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIABLE SOURCES... a blog post that someone concocts IS NOT A FACTUAL SOURCE

See a FACT is when an INDEPENDENT OBSERVER CAN VERIFY IT... you do not offer such sources... and yes.. IT does no good to offer NON FACTUAL sources... because they are MEANINGLESS except to the KoolAde drinkingmind.

I thought you just stated that these individuals were as you put it residents, now they have suddenly become New Black Panthers. Fact is that these two individuals were there to intimidate voters, fact is the DOJ conveniently dismissed this event basically because it involved blacks. What do you think would have happened if two white guys had done the same thing, you can bet they would be doing some hard time right about now. You continue to defend an administration that has demonstrated time and again that it is inept, unqualified, and corrupt from the top down, inside and out.

 

[American Patriot]

I believe, Sir it was you who first accused me of being racist. To assume that by being critical of Mr. Obama is racist makes about as much sense as the rest of your convoluted argument does. Your love for Mr. Obama and his progressive far left socialist agenda does not change the facts, unemployment remains at 8.3 %, Mr. Obama had previously stated that he would not run again if this were the case. Mr. Obama has broken or not kept 82 campaign promises, these are facts, not innuendo. The statistics clearly indicate that if we proceed with a duplicate of the last four years our economy will collapse, these are facts, not political rhetoric. You really need to cut way back on the Kool-Aid and wake up to reality.

Apparently with you anyone or any group that opposes Obama or his administration is automatically a racist, that is not only over the top, it is a totally ridiculous assertion, not based on any hard facts but only on political bias and your excuse that if can play the race card enough times it will finally stick. Are you telling me as well as others that the entire GOP is racist? So with you and socialists like you when you cannot stand on your record because it is a dismal failure and the statistics prove this, you resort to categorizing everyone and every group that opposes Obama as racist. Wow, no wonder you are forced to divert, deceive, and detract, your last best hope is to accuse everyone of being a racist? You are a pathetic group of individuals, I am grateful that much of what Obama tried to pass through the Congress was blocked, in fact I wish Obama Care had been blocked and defeated. So with you if everyone that opposes Obama is a racist you are making an assertion that about half of America is racist, that is so absurd it does not even justify thoughtful consideration. Again this tactic only goes to prove that Obama has failed, socialism has failed, his policies have failed, his foreign policy has failed, and his solutions for fixing the economy have failed. That, Sir is not racist, it is actually called facts, you want facts look them up they are readily available, the stats are all there in black and white, not rhetoric, not political innuendo, and not some lame accusation that makes about as much sense as does your defending Obama.