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Good look inside the Filthy Koch Bros disinformation network

Bo-4

Bo-4

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The funniest part is how they claim to have no relationship with the very entities they founded and fund.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/28/koch-brothers-network_n_5051718.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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Great! So you'll be the first to join me arm-in-arm and demand the federal government stop providing welfare for oil, cattle, farming, green energy, buying hybrid vehicles and bailing out car companies and banks, right?

Didn't think so.
 
drivebyheckler said:
Great! So you'll be the first to join me arm-in-arm and demand the federal government stop providing welfare for oil, cattle, farming, green energy, buying hybrid vehicles and bailing out car companies and banks, right?

Didn't think so.
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I'll have to think on that Stan, but yes.. it IS worthy of thought ;-)

Will you REALLY give up corporate welfare and ag subsidies for wealthy ranchers if i give up green energy and tax credits?

Could be a net winner! :)

As for saving Detroit, sorry but that saved 1.5 million jobs at a time when we needed them. It was a resounding success.. that was (full disclosure) started by Bush and Republicans.
 
Bo-4 said:
I'll have to think on that Stan, but yes.. it IS worthy of thought ;-)

Will you REALLY give up corporate welfare and ag subsidies for wealthy ranchers if i give up green energy and tax credits?

Could be a net winner! :)

As for saving Detroit, sorry but that saved 1.5 million jobs at a time when we needed them. It was a resounding success.. that was (full disclosure) started by Bush and Republicans.
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I think they should all go, regardless of whether you support one, some or all. As for Detroit, you are speculating. And if you call tens of billions in losses "resounding success", I'd hate to see what it takes to get you to call something a loss. ;)
 
Bo-4 said:
Okay, we've got you down as anti-fact check and anti-study (until of course you find the rare RW catnip fact check/study that you like. ;-)
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Nah, they all have their agenda. I doubt any of these "studies" are pursued with the intention of finding a factual, non-biased conclusion.
 
drivebyheckler said:
Great! So you'll be the first to join me arm-in-arm and demand the federal government stop providing welfare for oil, cattle, farming, green energy, buying hybrid vehicles and bailing out car companies and banks, right?

Didn't think so.
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How about joining me in calling for an end to corporate and union political donations to campaigns? How about this....
1. You must be registered to vote to donate to a campaign or a political party.
2. You may only contribute to candidates that you can vote for.
3. Contributions are limited to $2k in the primaries and $2k in the general election...
4. Groups using funds to run political ad campaigns must also have a web site which lists the names of their donors.
5. Politicians may not take jobs with lobbying groups for 2 years after leaving office.
6. Political appointees may not take jobs with lobbying groups for 2 years after leaving government employment.
7. Congressmen may not convert political action funds to personal use. Donated funds not used in an election may either be donated to charity or to their choice of political party when they leave office.
 
middleview said:
How about joining me in calling for an end to corporate and union political donations to campaigns? How about this....
1. You must be registered to vote to donate to a campaign or a political party.
2. You may only contribute to candidates that you can vote for.
3. Contributions are limited to $2k in the primaries and $2k in the general election...
4. Groups using funds to run political ad campaigns must also have a web site which lists the names of their donors.
5. Politicians may not take jobs with lobbying groups for 2 years after leaving office.
6. Political appointees may not take jobs with lobbying groups for 2 years after leaving government employment.
7. Congressmen may not convert political action funds to personal use. Donated funds not used in an election may either be donated to charity or to their choice of political party when they leave office.
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Oh sure, that sounds wonderful. If only liberals would be cool with cleaning up the voting rolls, getting dead people off the lists and finally quit whining about voter ID laws that have already been upheld Constitutionally. Until then, there's no way in hell I'd give liberals such a huge advantage. But I do like much of that list.
 
drivebyheckler said:
Oh sure, that sounds wonderful. If only liberals would be cool with cleaning up the voting rolls, getting dead people off the lists and finally quit whining about voter ID laws that have already been upheld Constitutionally. Until then, there's no way in hell I'd give liberals such a huge advantage. But I do like much of that list.
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So you admit it.. most of the dark money comes from filthy rich Repugnants.

Concession noted ;-)
 
the Koch Bros, who are using their wealth to buy our govt, are being called out for using their wealth to buy our govt.
this criticism upsets the Kochs as they are very, very sensitive.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
the Koch Bros, who are using their wealth to buy our govt, are being called out for using their wealth to buy our govt.
this criticism upsets the Kochs as they are very, very sensitive.
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Rachel's funny. She says that every time she points out the clear connection between the Filthy Kochs and all their various shell groups, she hears from their attorney.

That makes her giggle. ;)
 
Bo-4 said:
Rachel's funny. She says that every time she points out the clear connection between the Filthy Kochs and all their various shell groups, she hears from their attorney.

That makes her giggle. ;)
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the Koch's must pine for the good old days (pre Bush's crash of the economy) when no one dared criticize the wealthy.
 
Bo-4 said:
So you admit it.. most of the dark money comes from filthy rich Repugnants.

Concession noted ;-)
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Oh please dude... let me know when you're ready to talk about convicted felon, currency killer, and Obama's fellow America-hater and God complex egomaniac George Soros. ;)
 
drivebyheckler said:
Oh please dude... let me know when you're ready to talk about convicted felon, currency killer, and Obama's fellow America-hater and God complex egomaniac George Soros. ;)
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Yes, let's compare shall we? :D

VERDICT: When it comes to the combination of institutional lobbying, 527 group donations and PAC expenditures, Koch Industries far out-spends Soros' hedge fund and think tank, $57.4 million to $12.8 million. Most of this money is attributable to lobbying expenditures.

2010 --- https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/09/opensecrets-battle---koch-brothers.html

2012

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Bo-4 said:
Yes, let's compare shall we? :D

VERDICT: When it comes to the combination of institutional lobbying, 527 group donations and PAC expenditures, Koch Industries far out-spends Soros' hedge fund and think tank, $57.4 million to $12.8 million. Most of this money is attributable to lobbying expenditures.

2010 --- https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/09/opensecrets-battle---koch-brothers.html

2012

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Any particular reason you left this part out?

Individual donations to 527 organizations (2001 to 2010)
George Soros: $32.5 million
Koch Brothers: $1.5 million

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/09/opensecrets-battle---koch-brothers.html
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ACTUAL verdict: Both the Koch brothers and George Soros donate a shit ton of money to political causes. Of course, George Soros being a convicted con man and grifter, he prefers Democrats. ;)

Oh and just to rub my clear victory in a little more, notice how grifter Mother Jones didn't compare apples to apples. She made different categories for each group, with the express purpose of deceiving. It looks to me like American Renaissance is more honest than Mother Jones.
 
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