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You've pointed out the problem with firearms Gramps and the psychology (which is richly exhibited here) about them.
You see that people see that are willing to use them divide their use into "good" uses and "bad" uses. Unfortunately for those that feel (and live or do not live following) the deadly end of a barrel a firearm the use is not "good" even if most, if not all, have, in their minds, thought their use of such a weapon, to be "good" in their mind.
 
Dawgy, do you have a rubber fetus in a jar too? Everytime people talk guns you bring up families who would have surely been raped or had their bologna sandwich stolen if they did not shoot their guns at other humans! While I am no advocate for Gun Control i do oppose this radical promotion for using guns to shoot people along with this cavalier attitude toward shooting people which is evidenced by the post of Right Wing Dings here every single day! They seem to think you can pop someone and they go down, and they get up during the commercial. They all show a disregard for the seriousness of gun use against another human being.
 
"Why the gun is civilization.
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act."


by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)
Sounds like a really crazy fucker with a small pecker.

I have a third way to deal with crazy fuckers, much to his chagrin. I ignore them. Will he shoot me for that? After all, he only has two ways of dealing with people by his own admission.
 
Sounds like a really crazy fucker with a small pecker.

I have a third way to deal with crazy fuckers, much to his chagrin. I ignore them. Will he shoot me for that? After all, he only has two ways of dealing with people by his own admission.
LOL Morning, Zzig....
 
LOL Morning, Zzig....
Good morning backatcha.

Here was my favorite, self contradictory phrase from the crazy General:

I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid.

Uuuhhhh....say what? He needs a gun to be "unafraid"? I think he stated that quite clearly. Probably lives in a McMansion in a gated community, too.

I dub him spokesman for gun nuts everywhere.
 
Good morning backatcha.

Here was my favorite, self contradictory phrase from the crazy General:

I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid.

Uuuhhhh....say what? He needs a gun to be "unafraid"? I think he stated that quite clearly. Probably lives in a McMansion in a gated community, too.

I dub him spokesman for gun nuts everywhere.
Duly noted.... what do you got going on today?
 
Duly noted.... what do you got going on today?
Eh....not much. I'm working for tools right now. Just got a full set of 18v Ryobi power tools for fixing a drawer and duplicating a cabinet door. Still kicking myself for selling my shop tools when I closed the business and got a good job....only to get laid off, apparently forever, 2 years later. Kinda starting from scratch, but a little less intense about it than I was the first time around. Just want to stay busy now instead of being a world beater.

The wife is an artist who just started producing a couple of years ago. Just got a book cover and an offer to illustrate a children's book.

I'll have an excellent rock band practicing here later today. My son's band played their first large venue a few weeks ago.

All I ever wanted to be was a house husband. Maybe my dream will come true before long and I can live like a con expects a lib to do....reaping the fruits of the labor of others. (It's my turn. Hahahahaha!)
 
Dawgy, do you have a rubber fetus in a jar too? Everytime people talk guns you bring up families who would have surely been raped or had their bologna sandwich stolen if they did not shoot their guns at other humans! While I am no advocate for Gun Control i do oppose this radical promotion for using guns to shoot people along with this cavalier attitude toward shooting people which is evidenced by the post of Right Wing Dings here every single day! They seem to think you can pop someone and they go down, and they get up during the commercial. They all show a disregard for the seriousness of gun use against another human being.


NO, they don't get up during the commercial, they become worm food, if worm will eat shitt. So simple and yet it seems to allude you at every turn. If they are not committing home invasions, they have no worry of becoming worm food, simple.☻
 
Eh....not much. I'm working for tools right now. Just got a full set of 18v Ryobi power tools for fixing a drawer and duplicating a cabinet door. Still kicking myself for selling my shop tools when I closed the business and got a good job....only to get laid off, apparently forever, 2 years later. Kinda starting from scratch, but a little less intense about it than I was the first time around. Just want to stay busy now instead of being a world beater.

The wife is an artist who just started producing a couple of years ago. Just got a book cover and an offer to illustrate a children's book.

I'll have an excellent rock band practicing here later today. My son's band played their first large venue a few weeks ago.

All I ever wanted to be was a house husband. Maybe my dream will come true before long and I can live like a con expects a lib to do....reaping the fruits of the labor of others. (It's my turn. Hahahahaha!)

I have to go into the post and finish the last couple admin things before I sign out of the Army. I've been telling my wife to go get a better paying job so that I may live as a "house spouse" in the style to which I am perfectly willing to become accustomed.... LOL ;)
 
NO, they don't get up during the commercial, they become worm food, if worm will eat shitt. So simple and yet it seems to allude you at every turn. If they are not committing home invasions, they have no worry of becoming worm food, simple.☻
Do 30,000 people get killed committing home invasions every year?

As long as the gunnies have hate filled, loony, dull-normal advocates like you, the regulation advocates will have a good example of who shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.
 
NO, they don't get up during the commercial, they become worm food, if worm will eat shitt. So simple and yet it seems to allude you at every turn. If they are not committing home invasions, they have no worry of becoming worm food, simple.☻
That's bullshit Dawg. I can cite two cases that happened just recently when people were shot NOT committing home invasions. One was the teenager who knocked on someone's door to get help after a car accident and got shot in the face and the other one was the old man with Alzheimer's who was wandering in someone's yard and instead of waiting until the police the lady of the house had called the 32 yr old guy opened the door and shot the old guy in the chest 3 times. Do you think that was wise?? Shit happens like that all the time not even counting the little kids who die from gunshot wounds when playing with daddy's arsenal.
 
I have a S&W revolver. Never expect to use it and it's hidden in a convenient but ridiculous spot to find. Took lessons, done and expect to dump within a few years.

Good job Gramps!
I wonder why they think they have to have multiple guns when one would suffice to protect them from the bogey man. Especially these AK-15 and the like. Do they think they'd have to put 20 bullets in the guy to stop him? That's all they're good for..killing others.
 
Little kids get shot in Atlanta almost every week. Two in the past week.
 
I finally reached a conclusion of what spawns the controversy.

Gun advocates have a need to own and keep guns as an edge against other people who own and keep guns. Under normal circumstances unarmed people are not to be feared while under normal circumstances those who are armed are to be feared.

So, that being the case those who say the problem is people and not guns err because by removi8ng the guns from the controversy there is no controversy.

Evidently fear is what motivates lots of gun lovers to arm themselves to their teeth. So, perhaps, it is neither guns nor people that fan the flames. Emotion must be the source. FDR's four freedoms included "freedom from fear" for Americans at a time when those fears were brought about by foreign powers threatening our lifestyle and NOW we arm ourselves as protection from fellow citizens.

Last year I disposed of my weapons. It was time. I hadn't used one of them in years, just something to take out of the cabinet and clean and oil now and again; having become conversation pieces. And d'ya know what? I haven't spent a single restless night fretting because I have no weapons at hand.

gramps

Unfortunately I suspect that THE actual relevant point in what you posted completely eluded you, gramps.

"Last year I disposed of my weapons. It was time."

Grand. "YOU" did it. "YOU" decided it was time. You didn't do ANYTHING because some OTHER folks TOLD you what you should do, notice that? So perhaps you should allow others to do as THEY decide, like YOU did.

Obviously at some point in life you chose to own firearms. At some other point you elected not to do so. Again, grand. YOUR call. So why is it when you DID chose to own firarms you did NOT do as some others might have wanted and lived without them?

Why is it you libs all believe that somehow, just magically, whatever YOU decide, want, feel believe or desire shoud be imposed on everyone? Rather than just accepting the fact that others should be allowed to do as YOU do and decide for themselves?


And kudos on THIS little loony libby jewel;
"..those who say the problem is people and not guns err because by removi8ng the guns from the controversy there is no controversy."

How clever.....

I suppose it never crossed your mind that, like with guns, we could also eliminate any controversy over the right to free speech too if we would simply remove speech.

Remove any public speech from the controversy there is no controversy. People are not the problem, shared words are......... Remove all of the words (guns) from the public and, Wa-La......controversy is removed as well.....

Wanna?

Why not? What is different?
 
I wonder why they think they have to have multiple guns when one would suffice to protect them from the bogey man. Especially these AK-15 and the like. Do they think they'd have to put 20 bullets in the guy to stop him? That's all they're good for..killing others.


I know, right?


Of course I ALSO wonder why it is so many think they need to share so many of the things that they have every right to say rather than sticking to only usining the minimum of shared words they might NEED to use.

You?

Why not? What is so different? Shouldn't we all desire others stick to only using the minimum of all of their rights if it makes US "feel" better?
 
Unfortunately I suspect that THE actual relevant point in what you posted completely eluded you, gramps.

"Last year I disposed of my weapons. It was time."

Grand. "YOU" did it. "YOU" decided it was time. You didn't do ANYTHING because some OTHER folks TOLD you what you should do, notice that? So perhaps you should allow others to do as THEY decide, like YOU did.

Obviously at some point in life you chose to own firearms. At some other point you elected not to do so. Again, grand. YOUR call. So why is it when you DID chose to own firarms you did NOT do as some others might have wanted and lived without them?

Why is it you libs all believe that somehow, just magically, whatever YOU decide, want, feel believe or desire shoud be imposed on everyone? Rather than just accepting the fact that others should be allowed to do as YOU do and decide for themselves?


And kudos on THIS little loony libby jewel;
"..those who say the problem is people and not guns err because by removi8ng the guns from the controversy there is no controversy."

How clever.....

I suppose it never crossed your mind that, like with guns, we could also eliminate any controversy over the right to free speech too if we would simply remove speech.

Remove any public speech from the controversy there is no controversy. People are not the problem, shared words are......... Remove all of the words (guns) from the public and, Wa-La......controversy is removed as well.....

Wanna?

Why not? What is different?
I'm sure Gramps appreciates your detailed misinterpretation of his post.

I must have missed the part where he said he wanted everyone's guns taken from them. Don't think anyone suggested removing words from the dialogue, either.

You guys can usually manage a tie in a debate with a straw man.
 
I wonder why they think they have to have multiple guns when one would suffice to protect them from the bogey man. Especially these AK-15 and the like. Do they think they'd have to put 20 bullets in the guy to stop him? That's all they're good for..killing others.
Gunnies can change a magazine in less than a second. That's why they need 100 round drums. The logic escapes you? They make the first argument to defend the rights of mass killers who use high capacity weapons. If you ask why someone who can change a magazine in less than a second needs a huge magazine, the answer is, "None of your business." Really compelling stuff.

They also worry about that "slippery slope" if they concede anything at all to sanity and reasonableness. The fact that a 10 year ban on assault weapons was allowed to expire without fanfare doesn't dampen that paranoia a bit, apparently.
 
I'm sure Gramps appreciates your detailed misinterpretation of his post.

I must have missed the part where he said he wanted everyone's guns taken from them. Don't think anyone suggested removing words from the dialogue, either.

You guys can usually manage a tie in a debate with a straw man.

Very well said. All that the Right Wing is posting is strawman after strawman on this forum. I wonder if they get it that they look like Bumbles The Dirty Harry One debating with a friggin chair and managing maybe a tie. Although many viewers would strongly argue the chair won!
 
Isolated incidents. Be fair and list both sides of the picture -- guns committed to criminal activity as opposed to individual citizens saving their own asses. I wonder, how many died as opposed to how many saved the day.

gramps
 
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