Guns!

[Dawg]

 

[Ben Arnold]

Australia might be an example of the good and bad, although far from conclusive.

Following an automatic weapons ban, murder rates dropped dramatically (over half) But other violent crimes increased significantly.

So less killing with guns, however violence perhaps turning to rape and assault in lieu of killing.

 

[Zoar]

I own many guns. I enjoy shooting sports like skeet and trap, I also like target shooting. I was raised around hunting, shooting sports and fishing. I had my first gun at the age of 12. In my humble opinion a gun is a lot like a tool, it can be used correctly and responsibly or it can be grossly misused, usually with tragic results. I have no problem with background checks and keeping weapons out of the hands of known criminals. I was trained how to handle and operate guns safely and responsibly. People who commit acts of violence using a gun are the real problem, not the gun itself. Most who commit these acts are either mentally challenged or completely deranged. Blaming the gun is a lot like blaming the match for the forest fire. What puzzles me are those who want to take away all the guns, this is an impossibility, the law abiding citizens have a right to own and carry a firearm if they have the appropriate training and paperwork. Both my wife and myself have concealed carry permits. My wife carries a small caliber .380 in her purse and I am certain she is capable of using it should the situation arise. I rarely carry a firearm as I do not feel the need to arm myself all the time. It is however reassuring to know we have firearms in my home. You may call me a gun nut but I see it quite differently. I have had the privilege to enjoy hunting most of my life, I always eat what I kill and I buy my hunting licence and obey the rules. Guns have been around a very long time, politicians and many on the far far left want guns confiscated. This will never happen as the people who obey the law and enjoy their firearms will never allow that to happen. The solution to the gun problem is very simple, we need to keep guns out of the hands of those who are mentally unstable and those who are criminals, this of course is a lot easier said than done.

We don't want to confiscate your guns! That is a lie you Right Wing Dings keep repeating. I am what you would call a Liberal. I own guns. I do not know of anyone pushing for what you say we are pushing for yet i hear the NRA and many people like you screaming and wailing and gnashing your teeth about people who are pushing for this imaginery gun confiscation. Liar.

 

[Zoar]

And just before that there was a talking snake!

 

[zzigzzag]

I'd like to address the bolded portion; if you or I observe a violent crime in progress, we have the inherent authority that all men (and women) have to stop it. We are not mandated (and neither are the police bound to) to do so, but wouldn't any decent person try? Also, I do feel that the public is entitled to a certain amount of "deserved trust", (although I would probably call it "benefit of the doubt"), and I act accordingly.
The training issue is certainly a point, but what kind of training are we talking about? I know plenty of people whose level of tactical firearms training and experience far outclasses the average LEO, including myself. (Hell, I've been in, and won, more gunfights than some police departments....) A more relevant type of training would be in conflict resolution, scaling force, and how to de-escalate a potentially violent encounter, and in that area, the police damn well should be better trained.
If we trust people to exercise all their other civil rights responsibly, with no prior restraint, such as voting, and free speech, we shouldn't treat the right to keep and bear arms any differently.

"The public" implies nothing about competence or temperament. PH wingers I'd trust with a gun are in the minority. I'll take my chances with the armed mugger.

 

[zzigzzag]

There are more trained Veterans than there are police trained the same and it's clear police are not as well trained as Veterans:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/christo...t-women-shot-by-lapd-officers-had-no-warning/

Hell, most teens that just passed Safety Shooting Class better trained than those police............weigh much-much less......(have a donut w/that joint)☻

You mean like Adam Lanza? Yeah....he knew his shit.

 

[Dawg]

You mean like Adam Lanza? Yeah....he knew his shit.

that lil' pin-neck fvckwad didn't know shit.........or no more than any Chicago street thug knows, pull the trigger........lil' pencil-neck was batty☻

 

[trapdoor]

Yes, of course they vote for Tea Baggers / Republicans and yes they are from Arizona:

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(Notice the baby's hand wrapped around the barrel of her gun... Great gun safety there, I tell ya!)

Your ignorance knows very few bounds. The baby is touching the STOCK, not the barrel, of the firearm.

 

[trapdoor]

It's not Freudian nor Jungian psychology.

It's knowing Righties whose gun lust has them playing soldier in the woods on weekends while their SO plays with her lover's big black replacement for battery operated solutions to the Dickless Wonder husband's 20 gauge mistress.

Arrant nonsense.

 

[Zoar]

Your ignorance knows very few bounds. The baby is touching the STOCK, not the barrel, of the firearm.

OH Shit, I brightened up my screen and I see it IS the stock.

My Bad.

Oh, well.

It is still a very fuked up picture with a fuked up uber right wing gun crazy zealot with santa message!

 

[trapdoor]

OH Shit, I brightened up my screen and I see it IS the stock.

My Bad.

Oh, well.

It is still a very fuked up picture with a fuked up uber right wing gun crazy zealot with santa message!

I don't know for a fact, but I think it is even more likely to be photoshopped nonsense.

 

[Ben Arnold]

Arrant nonsense.

You think it is Freudian or Jungian?

 

[Zoar]

I don't know for a fact, but I think it is even more likely to be photoshopped nonsense.

Sorry, the Scotsdale Gun Club is very famous and they have a ton of holiday cards with images that are as disturbing as the first one:

Start the slide show kids:

 

[Zoar]

Next slide please:

 

[Zoar]

Next slide please, Oh and you know the woman on the right top likes em very small, as that is all she has ever had:

 

[trapdoor]

I see the humor in those.

 

[trapdoor]

You think it is Freudian or Jungian?

Neither. I think it is idiocy.

 

[Zoar]

NOT Photo shopped!

Those are real 'Mericans! They love shooting things and especially can not wait to start shooting people with their autos and semi autos and that will be so great and they will have a blast oh they can't wait for zombies and end times and praise to jesus they is gonna have fun blowing the smithereens out of demoKrats and Black people and muzlims. Oh yea!

 

[Zoar]

I see the humor in those.

One man's humor is another man's disturbing creepy shit.

 

[trapdoor]

NOT Photo shopped!

Those are real 'Mericans! They love shooting things and especially can not wait to start shooting people with their autos and semi autos and that will be so great and they will have a blast oh they can;t wait for zombies and end times and praise to jesus they is gonna have fun blowing the smithereens out of demoKrats and Black people and muzlims. Oh yea!

And you go immediately back to nonsense. Where, anywhere in these cards, is it stated or implied that these people will "go back to shooting people" with any type of firearm?

There are 150 million legal gun owners in the United States who have never shot anyone and who have no desire to do so. You're smearing of them should be recognized for the simple slander that it is.