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Figjam

Figjam

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...OK, in reading all the Martin/Zimmerman posts, reading the recent "Oprah" drama and though have not seen it here - the "incident" at a recent SF Giants/Baltimore Oriole's game - these things should lead us to think, yes America, we do have a race issue. However instead of trying to deal with it honestly, we seem to point fingers at the victim or accuser and blame them - we never really get to the heart of the problem and how we can resolve it.

Do some whites have issues with black, latino's, asians, whatever? Yes, absolutely. Can the same be said for some in those races against whites - yes again, absolutely. Do any of these cases make it "right" - NO.

...so, how do we overcome deep seated racism - education and time, time and education. While I know half the people here hate Obama and everything he says, recently when he was trying to address his feelings about the Zimmerman/Martin case he said, ""When I talk to Malia and Sasha, and I listen to their friends, and I see them interact, they're better than we are," Obama said. "They're better than we were on these issues."" - As we move forward and children LEARN that whites, blacks, asians and latinos are really no different then anyone else, we will overcome racism as a society - racism will probably NEVER be fully eradicated but we can and will make progress...
 
Figjam said:
...OK, in reading all the Martin/Zimmerman posts, reading the recent "Oprah" drama and though have not seen it here - the "incident" at a recent SF Giants/Baltimore Oriole's game - these things should lead us to think, yes America, we do have a race issue. However instead of trying to deal with it honestly, we seem to point fingers at the victim or accuser and blame them - we never really get to the heart of the problem and how we can resolve it.

Do some whites have issues with black, latino's, asians, whatever? Yes, absolutely. Can the same be said for some in those races against whites - yes again, absolutely. Do any of these cases make it "right" - NO.

...so, how do we overcome deep seated racism - education and time, time and education. While I know half the people here hate Obama and everything he says, recently when he was trying to address his feelings about the Zimmerman/Martin case he said, ""When I talk to Malia and Sasha, and I listen to their friends, and I see them interact, they're better than we are," Obama said. "They're better than we were on these issues."" - As we move forward and children LEARN that whites, blacks, asians and latinos are really no different then anyone else, we will overcome racism as a society - racism will probably NEVER be fully eradicated but we can and will make progress...
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I've said it before and I'll say it now, so long as there are liberals, there will always be a race problem.
 
Figjam said:
...OK, in reading all the Martin/Zimmerman posts, reading the recent "Oprah" drama and though have not seen it here - the "incident" at a recent SF Giants/Baltimore Oriole's game - these things should lead us to think, yes America, we do have a race issue. However instead of trying to deal with it honestly, we seem to point fingers at the victim or accuser and blame them - we never really get to the heart of the problem and how we can resolve it.

Do some whites have issues with black, latino's, asians, whatever? Yes, absolutely. Can the same be said for some in those races against whites - yes again, absolutely. Do any of these cases make it "right" - NO.

...so, how do we overcome deep seated racism - education and time, time and education. While I know half the people here hate Obama and everything he says, recently when he was trying to address his feelings about the Zimmerman/Martin case he said, ""When I talk to Malia and Sasha, and I listen to their friends, and I see them interact, they're better than we are," Obama said. "They're better than we were on these issues."" - As we move forward and children LEARN that whites, blacks, asians and latinos are really no different then anyone else, we will overcome racism as a society - racism will probably NEVER be fully eradicated but we can and will make progress...
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I do think it s mostly time to get over it. But, at the same time, I think we have got to stop holding onto past injustices. I think the continual rehashing that we seem to do is just not productive. It just makes people angry.
 
Figjam said:
...OK, in reading all the Martin/Zimmerman posts, reading the recent "Oprah" drama and though have not seen it here - the "incident" at a recent SF Giants/Baltimore Oriole's game - these things should lead us to think, yes America, we do have a race issue. However instead of trying to deal with it honestly, we seem to point fingers at the victim or accuser and blame them - we never really get to the heart of the problem and how we can resolve it.

Do some whites have issues with black, latino's, asians, whatever? Yes, absolutely. Can the same be said for some in those races against whites - yes again, absolutely. Do any of these cases make it "right" - NO.

...so, how do we overcome deep seated racism - education and time, time and education. While I know half the people here hate Obama and everything he says, recently when he was trying to address his feelings about the Zimmerman/Martin case he said, ""When I talk to Malia and Sasha, and I listen to their friends, and I see them interact, they're better than we are," Obama said. "They're better than we were on these issues."" - As we move forward and children LEARN that whites, blacks, asians and latinos are really no different then anyone else, we will overcome racism as a society - racism will probably NEVER be fully eradicated but we can and will make progress...
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this seems to be yet another example of liberals' unbridled faith that anything and everything can be fixed by government programs and school courses

just like teen pregnancy was solved by sex ed; let's not forget that drug dealing and gang violence are ancient history too, as a result of that "this is your brain on drugs" campaign.

maybe we need a series of TV ads proclaiming "Racism - its' not nice"

you know, just in case people haven't heard
 
connieb said:
I do think it s mostly time to get over it. But, at the same time, I think we have got to stop holding onto past injustices. I think the continual rehashing that we seem to do is just not productive. It just makes people angry.
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...connie - I would say that as a Nation and a culture Americans as a whole move on faster than anyone, anywhere. Just as an example - look at the Arab Nations and how various factions hold "grudges" for CENTURIES - not years or generations but hundreds of years - that said, yes we do need to move beyond the injustices and aside from time, I think education plays a huge role in this effort.
 
as seen on tv said:
this seems to be yet another example of liberals' unbridled faith that anything and everything can be fixed by government programs and school courses

just like teen pregnancy was solved by sex ed; let's not forget that drug dealing and gang violence are ancient history too, as a result of that "this is your brain on drugs" campaign.

maybe we need a series of TV ads proclaiming "Racism - its' not nice"

you know, just in case people haven't heard
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Never going to happen, the left needs these societal problems to remain relevant. After all, if everyone was contented in life, what would we need liberals for?
 
we can't do anything about the ignorance of true racists, but they are dying off.
more white people are dying than being born.
 
as seen on tv said:
this seems to be yet another example of liberals' unbridled faith that anything and everything can be fixed by government programs and school courses

just like teen pregnancy was solved by sex ed; let's not forget that drug dealing and gang violence are ancient history too, as a result of that "this is your brain on drugs" campaign.

maybe we need a series of TV ads proclaiming "Racism - its' not nice"

you know, just in case people haven't heard
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...seriously? This is what you really think - that this is some "silly liberal notion" of a perfect world - wow.

...government programs and school courses are making a difference but it takes time to effect change along with a willingness to understand that we are all created equally, that there really is no difference in humans as a whole. These are deep seated problems that are contained within families which is why problems like racism take so long to overcome.

...thanks - "Racism - it's not nice", indeed...
 
Figjam said:
...to counteract the hate and vitriol spewed by some the right - have a nice globally warmed day...
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Globally warmed day? If only. We had maybe 3 days this year over 80 degs. Most nights have been in the 50's. I don't think I have ever seen it this cold this late in the season.
 
Figjam said:
...connie - I would say that as a Nation and a culture Americans as a whole move on faster than anyone, anywhere. Just as an example - look at the Arab Nations and how various factions hold "grudges" for CENTURIES - not years or generations but hundreds of years - that said, yes we do need to move beyond the injustices and aside from time, I think education plays a huge role in this effort.
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But, what kind of education? The kind that continually dredges up the past wrongs? If so.... I don't think that is effective.

You know what would be interesting... I would love to see a study following young children in like a diverse pre-school setting - pre actually learning anything about "racism" and slavery and the historical bad relations between blacks and whites in this country - and see if we could study how they felt about their different race peers? Did they make friendships on their own with kids of other races? Did they naturally play well together? And, to be able to actually poll their opinions. Then study those same kids at the end of elementary school - when they have been exposed to all manner of teaching on race relations and discussions of other races - and actually see if they had better opinions when they just sort of hung out and were together - or if they had negative opinions about each other AFTER being "educated" in the current state of race relations... my guess is there would be a marked decrease in the way the students got along AFTER actually being exposed to what currently passes for education on racism in this country.
 
as seen on tv said:
actually thats not true. only wishful thinking on your part, lol
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actually, it is true.
Minority population growing as white, non-Hispanic population lags
Last year (2012), more people who are white and not Hispanic died than were born, the Census Bureau reported Thursday. (USAToday)
 
Figjam said:
...OK, in reading all the Martin/Zimmerman posts, reading the recent "Oprah" drama and though have not seen it here - the "incident" at a recent SF Giants/Baltimore Oriole's game - these things should lead us to think, yes America, we do have a race issue. However instead of trying to deal with it honestly, we seem to point fingers at the victim or accuser and blame them - we never really get to the heart of the problem and how we can resolve it.

Do some whites have issues with black, latino's, asians, whatever? Yes, absolutely. Can the same be said for some in those races against whites - yes again, absolutely. Do any of these cases make it "right" - NO.

...so, how do we overcome deep seated racism - education and time, time and education. While I know half the people here hate Obama and everything he says, recently when he was trying to address his feelings about the Zimmerman/Martin case he said, ""When I talk to Malia and Sasha, and I listen to their friends, and I see them interact, they're better than we are," Obama said. "They're better than we were on these issues."" - As we move forward and children LEARN that whites, blacks, asians and latinos are really no different then anyone else, we will overcome racism as a society - racism will probably NEVER be fully eradicated but we can and will make progress...
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For some reason we seem to be in a set back mode on race relations, but I hope that this step backwards results in several positive steps forward in the near future.
 
connieb said:
But, what kind of education? The kind that continually dredges up the past wrongs? If so.... I don't think that is effective.

You know what would be interesting... I would love to see a study following young children in like a diverse pre-school setting - pre actually learning anything about "racism" and slavery and the historical bad relations between blacks and whites in this country - and see if we could study how they felt about their different race peers? Did they make friendships on their own with kids of other races? Did they naturally play well together? And, to be able to actually poll their opinions. Then study those same kids at the end of elementary school - when they have been exposed to all manner of teaching on race relations and discussions of other races - and actually see if they had better opinions when they just sort of hung out and were together - or if they had negative opinions about each other AFTER being "educated" in the current state of race relations... my guess is there would be a marked decrease in the way the students got along AFTER actually being exposed to what currently passes for education on racism in this country.
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...connie, on a personal note, if observing my 14-year olds understanding of race is any gauge - he has friends of all races and backgrounds. Primarily Indian, Chinese, Lation, some Arab/Persian and black. He sees them all as "other kids" not black, not yellow, not hispanic - just other kids. Has he studied history and know about slavery or nazism? Yes he has and we have talked about it.

His growing up in a multi-cultural environment has stripped away the "unknowns" about people that "look" different - so instead of seeing a "Black kid, he sees Austin or a Brown/Indian or Hispanic kid he sees Jivan or Carlos - he sees PEOPLE...

...I see no problem with the curriculum in his school that being one of equality and mutual respect...
 
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