How can Russia’s Ukraine war be ended?

[Bugsy McGurk]

Looking for constructive ideas here. Not the “here’s what shudda been done” blather. Not the vague “we’re not doing enough” carping.

Here we are now. What should be done to end Russia’s Ukraine war?

 

[PhilFish]

Provide Ukraine with massive amounts of weaponry

It wants to become an Israel on steroids.

Provide peacekeeping forces in the west, move eastwards as Russia is pushed back

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Provide Ukraine with massive amounts of weaponry

It wants to become an Israel on steroids.

Provide peacekeeping forces in the west, move eastwards as Russia is pushed back

NATO and the US would say they have already provided massive amounts of weaponry and that they continue to do so. But you seem to think it’s insufficient. What other weapons should be provided that are not already being provided?

Which nations would provide the “peacekeeping forces” that you want to push the Russians back?

 

[middleview]

NATO and the US would say they have already provided massive amounts of weaponry and that they continue to do so. But you seem to think it’s insufficient. What other weapons should be provided that are not already being provided?

Which nations would provide the “peacekeeping forces” that you want to push the Russians back?

Poland, for one has brought that up. I think other NATO countries would. Norway and the Baltic states probably would with leadership from the US....but it would and should be the US. We guaranteed their security when they gave up their nuclear weapons.

 

[as seen on tv]

Looking for constructive ideas here. Not the “here’s what shudda been done” blather. Not the vague “we’re not doing enough” carping.

Here we are now. What should be done to end Russia’s Ukraine war?

1. NATO declares a no fly zone over Ukraine.
2. UN peacekeeping troops posted in locations adjacent to remaining russian forces.
3. Borders with Russia and Belarus closed
4. Germany immediately suspends russian oil purchases, instead of waiting for december 31, 2022.
5. Russian troop movements in any direction except back to russia come under air attack.
6. Russian airfields and missile sites which originate attacks against Ukraine are bombed

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

1. NATO declares a no fly zone over Ukraine.
2. UN peacekeeping troops posted in locations adjacent to remaining russian forces.
3. Borders with Russia and Belarus closed
4. Germany immediately suspends russian oil purchases, instead of waiting for december 31, 2022.
5. Russian troop movements in any direction except back to russia come under air attack.
6. Russian airfields and missile sites which originate attacks against Ukraine are bombed

I think you should be more concise and just say “Start WW III.”

I refuse to believe you’re that reckless. I think you just suggest direct US/NATO warfare with Russia so you can carp when Biden/NATO decline to start such a war. You know they’re not that reckless.

 

[as seen on tv]

I think you should be more concise and just say “Start WW III.”

I refuse to believe you’re that reckless. I think you just suggest direct US/NATO warfare with Russia so you can carp when Biden/NATO decline to start such a war. You know they’re not that reckless.

Youre welcome. Thanks for keeping an open mind, and responding rationally when people reply to your request for ideas. You're the best!

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Youre welcome. Thanks for keeping an open mind, and responding rationally when people reply to your request for ideas. You're the best!

I provided a very rational response to your proposal to start WW III. Again, I don’t think you really want that done. I don’t think you’re that insane. Your post was made in bad faith.

 

[PhilFish]

NATO and the US would say they have already provided massive amounts of weaponry and that they continue to do so. But you seem to think it’s insufficient. What other weapons should be provided that are not already being provided?

Which nations would provide the “peacekeeping forces” that you want to push the Russians back?

Well let's see. For one I think the current situation in Ukraine clearly depicts the sufficiency or lack thereof of weapons and so on.

I don't think I said the peacekeeping forces would push the Russians back. Presumably the ukrainians with the addition of these additional arms would do so, the peacekeepers would backfill behind them you know keeping the peace

 

[middleview]

Well let's see. For one I think the current situation in Ukraine clearly depicts the sufficiency or lack thereof of weapons and so on.

I don't think I said the peacekeeping forces would push the Russians back. Presumably the ukrainians with the addition of these additional arms would do so, the peacekeepers would backfill behind them you know keeping the peace

An advantage to moving troops as far east as possible without contact with the Russians would be that the Ukrainian supply lines would be protected and very short. I would use the same tactics the Taliban or the Viet Cong used....let the Ukrainians bring s300 anti-air systems across the line between the peace keepers and contested territory, shoot down a couple of Russian jets and scoot back into the safe zone....frustrate the shit out of Putin.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Well let's see. For one I think the current situation in Ukraine clearly depicts the sufficiency or lack thereof of weapons and so on.

I don't think I said the peacekeeping forces would push the Russians back. Presumably the ukrainians with the addition of these additional arms would do so, the peacekeepers would backfill behind them you know keeping the peace

There is no peace to keep in many parts of Ukraine. Where it is relatively peaceful there’s no need for troops to “keep the peace.” In any event, it’s unrealistic to think that injecting western troops into Ukraine would make things better in any respect. For one thing, it would provide Putin with a propaganda bonanza, since he tries to falsely depict his Ukraine war as an ideological struggle with “the west.” That’s the best case. The worst case is WW III/nuclear Armageddon.

And I still don’t know what additional arms you are calling for.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

An advantage to moving troops as far east as possible without contact with the Russians would be that the Ukrainian supply lines would be protected and very short. I would use the same tactics the Taliban or the Viet Cong used....let the Ukrainians bring s300 anti-air systems across the line between the peace keepers and contested territory, shoot down a couple of Russian jets and scoot back into the safe zone....frustrate the shit out of Putin.

Most of Putin’s senseless destruction is being done with missiles and artillery, not planes.

 

[middleview]

Most of Putin’s senseless destruction is being done with missiles and artillery, not planes.

The destruction is upon buildings...and airstrikes are a big part of the attack...

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

The destruction is upon buildings...and airstrikes are a big part of the attack...

I don’t think so. I’m fine with giving them more anti-aircraft missiles, but that does not stop their attacks with missiles and artillery.

 

[middleview]

There is no peace to keep in many parts of Ukraine. Where it is relatively peaceful there’s no need for troops to “keep the peace.” In any event, it’s unrealistic to think that injecting western troops into Ukraine would make things better in any respect. For one thing, it would provide Putin with a propaganda bonanza, since he tries to falsely depict his Ukraine war as an ideological struggle with “the west.” That’s the best case. The worst case is WW III/nuclear Armageddon.

And I still don’t know what additional arms you are calling for.

S-300 anti-air in use by most of the east block nations. We could also supply Patriot Missiles The Danish military has Harpoon missiles mounted on trucks.

 

[PhilFish]

An advantage to moving troops as far east as possible without contact with the Russians would be that the Ukrainian supply lines would be protected and very short. I would use the same tactics the Taliban or the Viet Cong used....let the Ukrainians bring s300 anti-air systems across the line between the peace keepers and contested territory, shoot down a couple of Russian jets and scoot back into the safe zone....frustrate the shit out of Putin.

Yes. !

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

S-300 anti-air in use by most of the east block nations. We could also supply Patriot Missiles The Danish military has Harpoon missiles mounted on trucks.

I’m good with providing such things. We may have done that already. There are numerous reasons for keeping secret which systems are being provided by the west. I don’t think we know the half of it.

 

[PhilFish]

There is no peace to keep in many parts of Ukraine. Where it is relatively peaceful there’s no need for troops to “keep the peace.” In any event, it’s unrealistic to think that injecting western troops into Ukraine would make things better in any respect. For one thing, it would provide Putin with a propaganda bonanza, since he tries to falsely depict his Ukraine war as an ideological struggle with “the west.” That’s the best case. The worst case is WW III/nuclear Armageddon.

And I still don’t know what additional arms you are calling for.

They're launching missiles that are landing near lviv and near the polish border ..what do you mean no peact to keep. Let them think twice before launching in areas where peacekeeping forces care present

Propaganda bonanza for his hate mongering people who enrich themselves with the loot their soldier children take from Ukraine? Who cares

 

[middleview]

I don’t think so. I’m fine with giving them more anti-aircraft missiles, but that does not stop their attacks with missiles and artillery.

That is where the MIGS from Poland would help...we could also provide long range heavy artillery. Again, towed across from the safe zone, set up, fire and scoot. We have given the Ukrainians counter battery radar...we can spot the locations of their artillery and rockets.

The point being more needs to be done.

 

[middleview]

They're launching missiles that are landing near lviv and near the polish border ..what do you mean no peact to keep. Let them think twice before launching in areas where peacekeeping forces care present

Propaganda bonanza for his hate mongering people who enrich themselves with the loot their soldier children take from Ukraine? Who cares

I'm all for doing all we can to undermine Putin, but there must be an effort to make this more expensive for the Russian military to continue. I think the end will come when the Russian generals have had enough.