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How we know the covid collective is more about collectivism...

Raoul_Luke

"Wait, it's all Marxism?" "Always has been."
Than it is about covid.

First off, as usual, I have been proven correct (again) by the facts. As I have been saying for over a year, natural immunity is very likely to be way better than vaccine immunity, and the science bears that out:

A newly published medical study found that infection from COVID-19 confers considerably longer-lasting and stronger protection against the Delta variant of the virus than vaccines.

“The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a ‘Don’t try this at home’ label,” the Scientific American reported Thursday. “The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.”

Put another way, vaccinated individuals were 27 times more likely to get a symptomatic COVID infection than those with natural immunity from COVID.


Harvard Epidemiologist Says The Case For COVID Vaccine Passports Was Just Demolished | ZeroHedge

Those of us who are blessed with non-ideological, logic based intelligence, knew that all along - it was, after all, completely logical to assume that would be the case.

So we're left with the question, why did the covidiots on the left continue to insist that people who had contracted the virus and survived should still be vaccinated? And the obvious reason, obviously, is that their stance on this matter was based more on control and collectivism than it was on science. It was important to them that we all become part of their cult of responsibility for the welfare of others (collectivism), and that required the suspension of the thousands of years of real-world data that says natural immunity is not only achievable, but superior to that conveyed by an imperfect vaccine. The conclusion (obviously) is that we should be testing people for antibodies, and if they test positive, then they should be given a pass on being vaccinated.

And before the left starts their (typical) mantra "what's the harm, just get the jab whether you have natural immunity or not" narrative, I'm going to go out on another limb here and say that the science will eventually prove that, as with measles, you should NOT take the vaccine if you have had the disease. I know of two people right now who are suffering from complications after getting vaccinated, and, you guessed it, both of them had already survived Covid and had to be vaccinated because the covidiots made it impossible for them to keep their jobs if they refused the vaccine. Both say if they had it to do over, they would refuse the vaccine and take the unemployment (one has been in the hospital for an extended period anyway so he probably won't have a job when, or if, he gets better anyway).

So will one lefty step up and admit that maybe, just maybe, 100% vaccinated shouldn't be the goal here, and that antibodies, however acquired, should be the goal? Yeah, that's not going to happen...
 
All I know: if we’d listened to the CDC the whole time, the death toll would have capped out around 150,000 and we’d be done with masks and social distancing requirements.
 
I don’t know, the U.S. has been ignoring scientists since 1980 and meanwhile countries that have listened to scientists have had far better outcomes.

Every time you have brought that up I have shown your position on that to be ridiculous. Cuba did not "listen to scientists."

But I do applaud your effort to weigh in here, which is more than any other lefty has done - but maybe you should have avoided it like the plague as well, because you aren't really refuting my premise here...
 
Mu appears to be "vaccine resistant" - I guess even more so than Delta (and Lamda).

3 New Cases Of "Mu Variant" Found In Hong Kong, Authorities Fear It Is Vaccine Resistant | ZeroHedge

So let's all start looking at the "reinfection" rates between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated but with antibodies from having had a case of Covid-19. If it turns out that natural immunity extends to these variants but the vaccine doesn't, wouldn't that call into question all of the interventions done? Will even one lefty come around to the understanding of the facts that are beginning to show that we'd have been better off just letting the virus do its thing? Yeah, that's just not gonna happen...
 
Mu appears to be "vaccine resistant" - I guess even more so than Delta (and Lamda).

3 New Cases Of "Mu Variant" Found In Hong Kong, Authorities Fear It Is Vaccine Resistant | ZeroHedge

So let's all start looking at the "reinfection" rates between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated but with antibodies from having had a case of Covid-19. If it turns out that natural immunity extends to these variants but the vaccine doesn't, wouldn't that call into question all of the interventions done? Will even one lefty come around to the understanding of the facts that are beginning to show that we'd have been better off just letting the virus do its thing? Yeah, that's just not gonna happen...
All these variants wouldn’t have had the opportunity to evolve if the virus had died out due to the lack of a reservoir of unvaccinated people to infect.
 
Every time you have brought that up I have shown your position on that to be ridiculous. Cuba did not "listen to scientists."

But I do applaud your effort to weigh in here, which is more than any other lefty has done - but maybe you should have avoided it like the plague as well, because you aren't really refuting my premise here...
I appreciate your tacit acknowledgment that Cuba’s trajectory over the last 30 years has been much more in the right direction than the U.S.’s. Pretty impressive considering the shock of losing an unprecedented 80% of their foreign trade in the course of a year. Anyway, feel free to point to where Cuba based policy on pseudoscience and superstition as the U.S. routinely has.
 
All I know: if we’d listened to the CDC the whole time, the death toll would have capped out around 150,000 and we’d be done with masks and social distancing requirements.

Maybe
Maybe Not

If the vaccine worked as reported the fully vaxxed wouldn't be dying

Don't even re[eat it's due to unvaxxed when the fully vaxxed haven't been around the unvaxxed

IMO the Fauci/Gates Depopulate Vaccine is doing as planned
 
All these variants wouldn’t have had the opportunity to evolve if the virus had died out due to the lack of a reservoir of unvaccinated people to infect.
All the world is an incubator. It is physically impossible to vaccinate everyone, everywhere. The Mu iteration has nothing at all to do with the unvaxxed in our sphere. Focus on the subject at hand (or just dink around with Commie Cuba apologetics and general DNC water-carrying - I don’t care).
 
Mu appears to be "vaccine resistant" - I guess even more so than Delta (and Lamda).

3 New Cases Of "Mu Variant" Found In Hong Kong, Authorities Fear It Is Vaccine Resistant | ZeroHedge

So let's all start looking at the "reinfection" rates between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated but with antibodies from having had a case of Covid-19. If it turns out that natural immunity extends to these variants but the vaccine doesn't, wouldn't that call into question all of the interventions done? Will even one lefty come around to the understanding of the facts that are beginning to show that we'd have been better off just letting the virus do its thing? Yeah, that's just not gonna happen...
Yep. The left is now going to milk this - and every ensuing variant - to hammer away at capitalism and liberty, impelling morons to dependency and collectivism. This is the plan, and always was.

Normal people need to plant the flag in the ground and STOP COMPLYING.
 
Yep. The left is now going to milk this - and every ensuing variant - to hammer away at capitalism and liberty, impelling morons to dependency and collectivism. This is the plan, and always was.

Normal people need to plant the flag in the ground and STOP COMPLYING.
Nope. It's irresponsible morons that are responsible for any degradation in capitalism and liberty.
There is responsibility that comes with freedom, and the anti-mask, anti-vax crowd are too f*cking irresponsible to live in a free society.
 
Nope. It's irresponsible morons that are responsible for any degradation in capitalism and liberty.
There is responsibility that comes with freedom, and the anti-mask, anti-vax crowd are too f*cking irresponsible to live in a free society.

So, when will you start personally removing them?
 
Nope. It's irresponsible morons that are responsible for any degradation in capitalism and liberty.
There is responsibility that comes with freedom, and the anti-mask, anti-vax crowd are too f*cking irresponsible to live in a free society.
This is false, and normal people aren’t listening to you marxists. Nice work.
 
Mu appears to be "vaccine resistant" - I guess even more so than Delta (and Lamda).

3 New Cases Of "Mu Variant" Found In Hong Kong, Authorities Fear It Is Vaccine Resistant | ZeroHedge

So let's all start looking at the "reinfection" rates between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated but with antibodies from having had a case of Covid-19. If it turns out that natural immunity extends to these variants but the vaccine doesn't, wouldn't that call into question all of the interventions done? Will even one lefty come around to the understanding of the facts that are beginning to show that we'd have been better off just letting the virus do its thing? Yeah, that's just not gonna happen...

Zerohedge again?
 
This is false, and normal people aren’t listening to you marxists. Nice work.

One of the more laughable notions is that there is some relationship between masks and marxism, fascism or the Star of David in helping round up Jews to be sent to death camps.
 
One of the more laughable notions is that there is some relationship between masks and marxism, fascism or the Star of David in helping round up Jews to be sent to death camps.
You marxists failed to turn the classes against one another here in America…so you moved on to turn races against one another and striate by vaccine status.

“Any class struggle will do”

- Knobgobbling lefty Marxists
 
You marxists failed to turn the classes against one another here in America…so you moved on to turn races against one another and striate by vaccine status.

“Any class struggle will do”

- Knobgobbling lefty Marxists

Leftist are adrift at sea without RACISM

Covid Snake Venom is what's killing people wonder what connection is with Bats

 
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