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I gotta admit...

Lukey said:
After 14 and a half years of Bushbama, a period marked by endless war, civil rights erosion and economic decline, I'm less inclined to say I'm "extremely proud" to be an American myself:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183911/smaller-majority-extremely-proud-american.aspx
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"Be a poor man, a beggar man or thief, it's just an accident of birth"...

I was never "extremely proud" to be an American. I have always, however, considered myself to be "extremely lucky" to be one. The whole pride thing is an interesting area. As an American by birth, that aspect was entirely out of my control. The achievement is hollow.

What was it that was supposed to drive this pride? Presidential assassinations? Unequal treatment of citizens? Our warring culture? I mean...c'mon, we've pretty much been at war our entire lifetimes. Or...maybe our forward movement on that long arc of moral justice. Yeah...that's the ticket. The one thing that keeps driving the nation forward to the equality spoken of, to the more perfect union spoken of.

I look at the humanistic values the US has worked hard to achieve...but with an eye always checking out the abuses we heap on others as well.

Extremely proud? Pride comes before the fall, right?
 
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You seem unable to comment on the subject. Where do you fit in on the "extremely proud" gauge? Has that changed over your lifetime? On what do you base you pride or lack thereof?
 
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Craig said:
You seem unable to comment on the subject. Where do you fit in on the "extremely proud" gauge? Has that changed over your lifetime? On what do you base you pride or lack thereof?
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I'm proud of my country as most Americans are without the over zealous streak - you would malign them with. I can't stand the people in our government. I feel nothing for our government.
 
resident_evil said:
I'm proud of my country as most Americans are without the over zealous streak - you would malign them with. I can't stand the people in our government. I feel nothing for our government.
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Why? I don't need useless platitudes nor your childish attacks.

The "government" is us. You're "proud", but you can't stand our people or our processes. What drives your pride?
 
Craig said:
Why? I don't need useless platitudes nor your childish attacks.

The "government" is us. You're "proud", but you can't stand our people or our processes. What drives your pride?
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Surprising how many people know the difference between the country and the government. The usurpation of the government needs to be reversed. Anybody with a clue accepts that without any kind of problem.

Childish started with you asserting fear. Funny you can't take it as well as you give it.
 
resident_evil said:
Surprising how many people know the difference between the country and the government. The usurpation of the government needs to be reversed. Anybody with a clue accepts that without any kind of problem.

Childish started with you asserting fear. Funny you can't take it as well as you give it.
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Your every post speaks of your fear.

Our government is chosen by us. It is via the consent of the governed. We are a nation of the people and by the people. Elections still occur...and the right always...always...comes out against the process when they lose a fight.

Are we as a nation perfect or free of corruption or the effects of gerrymandering? No. Let us keep working on those issues.

Do you, as a citizen, still have input? Yes.
 
Craig said:
"Be a poor man, a beggar man or thief, it's just an accident of birth"...

I was never "extremely proud" to be an American. I have always, however, considered myself to be "extremely lucky" to be one. The whole pride thing is an interesting area. As an American by birth, that aspect was entirely out of my control. The achievement is hollow.

What was it that was supposed to drive this pride? Presidential assassinations? Unequal treatment of citizens? Our warring culture? I mean...c'mon, we've pretty much been at war our entire lifetimes. Or...maybe our forward movement on that long arc of moral justice. Yeah...that's the ticket. The one thing that keeps driving the nation forward to the equality spoken of, to the more perfect union spoken of.

I look at the humanistic values the US has worked hard to achieve...but with an eye always checking out the abuses we heap on others as well.

Extremely proud? Pride comes before the fall, right?
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Do you not think it the least bit curious that as we have moved ever closer to the version of America that the progressives can finally be proud of, ever smaller portions of our population actually feel that pride?
 
Craig said:
Your every post speaks of your fear.

Our government is chosen by us. It is via the consent of the governed. We are a nation of the people and by the people. Elections still occur...and the right always...always...comes out against the process when they lose a fight.

Are we as a nation perfect or free of corruption or the effects of gerrymandering? No. Let us keep working on those issues.

Do you, as a citizen, still have input? Yes.
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I think you are fearful that some of us are getting pissed off and so you are projecting YOUR fear. Conceptually simple but I don't believe you will get it.

Our elected officials aren't not acting as they promised. Our SCOTUS is a joke. The people are bad (like you).
 
Lukey said:
Do you not think it the least bit curious that as we have moved ever closer to the version of America that the progressives can finally be proud of, ever smaller portions of our population actually feel that pride?
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I think it curious the levels achieved their highest during that horrible war...

I don't find it curious in the slightest the number returned to levels prior to 9/11.
 
resident_evil said:
I think you are fearful that some of us are getting pissed off and so you are projecting YOUR fear. Conceptually simple but I don't believe you will get it.

Our elected officials aren't not acting as they promised. Our SCOTUS is a joke. The people are bad (like you).
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See...You hate the process. It did not go your way, so SCOTUS is "a joke"...and the people are "bad".

Yeah...like I said...Thanks for that.

and the right always...always...comes out against the process when they lose a fight.
 
Craig said:
See...You hate the process. It did not go your way, so SCOTUS is "a joke"...and the people are "bad".

Yeah...like I said...Thanks for that.

and the right always...always...comes out against the process when they lose a fight.
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Hate? Fear? Is your problem. Anger at your kind is mine.

The communist left are the floating turds that never ever ever flush.
 
resident_evil said:
Hate? Fear? Is your problem. Anger at your kind is mine.

The communist left are the floating turds that never ever ever flush.
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"communist left"..."your kind"..."floating turds"...

I showed that my comment was correct. You hate both the people and the process...and the process is one of our particular strengths. Outcomes go both ways, someone always loses. Few call for the SCOTUS to be disbanded when it rules against their pov.
 
Craig said:
"communist left"..."your kind"..."floating turds"...

I showed that my comment was correct. You hate both the people and the process...and the process is one of our particular strengths. Outcomes go both ways, someone always loses. Few call for the SCOTUS to be disbanded when it rules against their pov.
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You've showed nothing. I've explained your displacement syndrome and you've got it bad.
 
Craig said:
"communist left"..."your kind"..."floating turds"...

I showed that my comment was correct. You hate both the people and the process...and the process is one of our particular strengths. Outcomes go both ways, someone always loses. Few call for the SCOTUS to be disbanded when it rules against their pov.
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I like how you crapped out another thread. Good job willy.
 
Lukey said:
After 14 and a half years of Bushbama, a period marked by endless war, civil rights erosion and economic decline, I'm less inclined to say I'm "extremely proud" to be an American myself:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183911/smaller-majority-extremely-proud-american.aspx
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If you look at that graph, it shows how twisted public opinion is. The peak of extreme pride was at a time when we were starting an aggressive war, based on a pack of lies -- a war that the more knowledgable observers were rightly predicting would be disastrous. A large majority of Americans are idiots.
 
resident_evil said:
You've showed nothing. I've explained your displacement syndrome and you've got it bad.
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You've never discussed or shown anything.

You stated you were proud of America. Why? On what do you base you pride? Is it extreme pride, as noted in the top post? Very? Moderately? Or "only a little"? Your posts seem more like "not at all" as you "angrily" whine about the people and the processes.

So...what makes you proud of The United States of America...and what level of pride to you assign yourself?
 
Arkady said:
If you look at that graph, it shows how twisted public opinion is. The peak of extreme pride was at a time when we were starting an aggressive war, based on a pack of lies -- a war that the more knowledgable observers were rightly predicting would be disastrous. A large majority of Americans are idiots.
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We are blessed to have you around.:rolleyes:
 
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