I have to ask Republicans this question.
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Senator
I'm not a republican (no political affiliation) but on this board all the Obama supporters regard me as right wing, so I might as well give my 2 cents worth.
A president's success is defined by 2 factors: the intelligence of the advisors he surrounds himself with, and the number of military conflicts he is confronted with.
On that score, Obama has been doubly unlucky - he insists on being surrounded by sycophantic yes men (and yes-women), and hasn't been able to defeat our foes any better than Bush did.
Bush's advisors (domestically) were reasonably astute. He had bad middle east advisors.
If Trump is surrounded by good advisors, I see no evidence of it. His intemperate rhetoric might not lead to war with Mexico, but its also unlikely to attract any help if we need a "coalition of the willing" to confront a threat.
Hillary also has a tendency to surround herself with people who don't disagree with her. Possibly Cruz as well. Rubio has shown a surprising ability to discard failed proposals, and move forward. Hard liners hate this, and use it as a reason to diss him.
A president's success is defined by 2 factors: the intelligence of the advisors he surrounds himself with, and the number of military conflicts he is confronted with.
On that score, Obama has been doubly unlucky - he insists on being surrounded by sycophantic yes men (and yes-women), and hasn't been able to defeat our foes any better than Bush did.
Bush's advisors (domestically) were reasonably astute. He had bad middle east advisors.
If Trump is surrounded by good advisors, I see no evidence of it. His intemperate rhetoric might not lead to war with Mexico, but its also unlikely to attract any help if we need a "coalition of the willing" to confront a threat.
Hillary also has a tendency to surround herself with people who don't disagree with her. Possibly Cruz as well. Rubio has shown a surprising ability to discard failed proposals, and move forward. Hard liners hate this, and use it as a reason to diss him.
Spamature
President
So I take it you are saying Donald Trump would definitely NOT make a better President than George W Bush. And the reason you are giving is who he would surround himself with. Because as we have seen over these months the ego and temperament that has been demonstrated by Trump would make it unlikely that he would surround himself with anything but people who would cater to his personality.
UPNYA2
Mayor
It is possible. But why do you ask?
GW Bush isn't running for president.
If you asked if Trump would make a better president than Cruz, or Rubio or any other republican, it would be yes or no depending upon the other involved party.
If you asked if Trump would make a better president than Clinton, or Sanders the answer would be a definite YES.
Spamature
President
Why do I ask ?
Because Bush is the last president Republicans sent to the White House and Trump may be the next person you try to send to the White House.
So why didn't you answer ?
connieb
Senator
I am not a republican but certainly a conservative, however I voted against GWB twice, so I don't necessarily think he was "good" president, however, I would take him back in a heartbeat over Obama any day.
But, I guess it would depend on what your definition of "better" is.
I think that Donald Trump would be "better" to the extent that I think he would be much more consicious of spending, Gov't spending, and would not let Gov't employees get away with business as usual. So, I would expect a lot of slashes and cuts to Gov't spending and efficiencies in some ways. Maybe spend more one place, spend less somewhere else. I think he will not care who in this country he pisses off. So, if he wants to build a wall and start raiding homes in the dead of night and kicking out illegals, he won't care how much flck he gets about it. I like that he is beholden to no special interest.
I think too, that while he would absolutely engage in military action if he believed it was in our best interest - there would be none of this "nation building" crap. He does't believe in exporting democracy. He believes in crushing our enemies and leaving them to waste. So, none of this long occupation, etc. Come in - destroy - accomplish our goal, and get the hell out - they are no longer our problem. That kind of attitude is certainly an improvement of Bush's failed strategies.
He is not Statesmen though. He isn't going to bring dignity to the office, that is for sure. At this point though I am really past caring about all that stuff. I want someone to end waste in Gov't. To deal harshly with illegals, and kick the ass of our enemies. I don't really give a Fvck how that gets done.
Spamature
President
Third response in a row and still no direct answer, curious. You seem not to care and whether he is better or not.
Your response pretty much boils down to this.
connieb
Senator
There can be no direct response. He will likely be better in some ways, and not better in other ways.
The days of having a true honest statesman are over, if indeed they ever existed in the first place. No one other than that will ever be a "good" or "great" president. Our only hope is that they don't colossally suck. GWB did colosally suck. I thought it was not actually possible to suck worse, but then we got Obama. So, I am certainly hesitant to say that we couldn't get a more sucky President again.
Spamature
President
Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama Obama !
I know you feel a need to attack him. And it is strange that you say there can be no direct response to this simple question. Yet you had no problem responding to the question as if it were asked about him even though the question had NOTHING to do with him.
connieb
Senator
I brought him up to say that I thought GWB was a low point in our Presidency and I was clearly wrong, as Obama brought us lower. So, my point was - Trump could suck worse than GWB because I was wrong the last time I thought someone couldn't suck worse.
I certainly hope Trump would not be worse than GWB but I was certainly wrong before.
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I've always heard the ONLY "stupid question is the one not ask"
well, that got blown up in smoke
worldlymrb
Daddy
Donald Trump will make a better prez than Bush because Trump is not beholden to anyone and not part of an establishment that is responsible for driving America over a cliff.
Boca
Governor
No, but I appreciate your stupid "when did you stop beatn your wife" question.
Well..not really...what I really appreciate is you showing you're a half clever liitle nothing nobody that only your mama could love and a dollar to a donut she doesn't, and just wishes you'd vacate her basement and get a job.
Happy New Year.
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Spamature
President
Scared to venture and answer ?
Spamature
President
Spamature
President
If there was a reward for cons here with at least a smidgen of courage you would be the winner.
Also good to see one of you finally admit bush and his cronies drove America over the cliff. You'd also win the award for honesty among cons too.
Yes. I do.
There are agendas with both of them. But GW's was to "spread democracy" or avenge his father. He was focused on that and it took us to war in Iraq. That shouldn't have happened and the world would be better off right now had those horrible leaders starting with Saddam Hussein been left in place to keep the area stable.
Trump's agenda is economic in nature. It's an agenda to restore America. He will seal our borders, and negotiate in the way he always has to make this nation great again. If his skills are good enough, he might just restore some of the sanity to DC and lessen the partisan animosity.
Bush drove America up to the edge of the cliff.
Obama backed up just a little, revved up the engine and flew us off that cliff.
oicu812
"Trust, but Verify"
resident_evil
Senator
I don't know if he will be a better president than Bush but at least he won't be all kissy face and hand holding with the Saudi muzzies.
or even obsequious
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