I thought Obama was going to make the world love us again?

[Corruptbuddha]

Well....maybe not.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...fficial_china_and_russia_will_regret_un_vote/

U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice says China and Russia are running of risk of suffering the same sort of international isolation as Syria's Bashar Assad because of their decision to block a U.N. Security Council vote embracing an Arab League solution for the Syrian crisis.

Love thy neighbor, eh?

 

[degsme]

Well....maybe not.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...fficial_china_and_russia_will_regret_un_vote/



Love thy neighbor, eh?

The issue was that with conservative foreign policy, OUR ALLIES were treating us the way Russia and the PRC were treating us...

 

[YouCantHandleDaTruth]

Well....maybe not.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/w...fficial_china_and_russia_will_regret_un_vote/

Love thy neighbor, eh?

Russian and China = the world?

Africa isn't a country k?

Thx

 

[Lapcat]

He "was gonna" do a LOT of things he promised to do. The reality, of course, differs vastly from what he promised then and is STILL promising now.

 

[Corruptbuddha]

'Conservative foreign policy'?

Like interventionism?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/28/obama-libya-speech-_n_841311.html

 

[YouCantHandleDaTruth]

He "was gonna" do a LOT of things he promised to do. The reality, of course, differs vastly from what he promised then and is STILL promising now.

For the first time in American history during a major nationwide crisis a sitting president was made the focus of attack by Republicans vs the major nationwide crisis....that MIGHT have something to do with Obama not completing his WHOLE agenda in less than 2423 years

 

[degsme]

He "was gonna" do a LOT of things he promised to do. The reality, of course, differs vastly from what he promised then and is STILL promising now.

True. No one expected the GOP Senate to be willing to crash the economy and sink the nation into economic morass simply because "making Obama a 1 Term President is their number one priority".

 

[degsme]

'Conservative foreign policy'?

Like interventionism?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/28/obama-libya-speech-_n_841311.html

No - like
Unilateralism
like
Pre-emptive war
like
Coalition of the coerced

Basically ignoring the new multi-polar power structure of the world and pretending that the USA is #1 #1 #1 #1 Always Always Always...

 

[Corruptbuddha]

Pre-emptive war....like attacking a nation who hadn't attacked us?

Like Libya?

 

[degsme]

Pre-emptive war....like attacking a nation who hadn't attacked us?

Like Libya?

So bombing our marines in Germany and bombing one of our planes out of the air and shooting at our jets over international waters isn't attacking us????

Reagan didn't think so.

 

[Corruptbuddha]

No.

They were acts of terrorism, not a national attack.

Libya was ZERO threat to the US.

By the by, were those two terrorist attacks you mention the reason Obama attacked Libya?

 

[degsme]

No.

They were acts of terrorism, not a national attack.

So then 9/11 wasn't the basis for invading Afghanistan???!!!!???!!!

 

[Corruptbuddha]

We're not talking about 9/11.

We're talking about Libya.

And, if attacking Afghanistan over 9/11 was 'conservative' foreign policy, how could attacking Libya over the 20 year old attacks you mention be anything but?

 

[degsme]

We're not talking about 9/11.

We're talking about Libya.

And, if attacking Afghanistan over 9/11 was 'conservative' foreign policy, how could attacking Libya over the 20 year old attacks you mention be anything but?

All Obama did was continue Reagan's policies WRT Libya.

AGain the point was that there was no claim by Obama that we would have a Kumbaya moment with those power centers (the PRC and Russia) that are in competition with the USA.

Rather, that unlike the conservative foreign policy engagements like random pre-emptive and unprovoked attacks on Iraq with a "coalitionof the coerced" and based on unilateralism and lying to the world - that Obama would have Kumbaya moments WITH OUR ALLIES.

And guess what, he has. Unlike GWB, who's inappropriateness (neck rubs for Merkel, "seeing the soul" of Putin ) and basic American Cowboyness WEAKENED the USA by alienating our allies - Obama not only rebuilt those relationships, but was able to begin to apply startegic thinking to those relationships. For example, he was able to leverage the NATO intervention in Libya to strategically force Germany into more assistance in Afghanistan.

These are things that the "coalition of the coerced" never was even available for.

 

[Corruptbuddha]

All Obama did was continue Reagan's policies WRT Libya

You're right...as I said...Obama - Interventionism you can believe in.

Glad to see you've come around.

 

[degsme]

You're right...as I said...Obama - Interventionism you can believe in.

Glad to see you've come around.

Killing a leader who killed US Forces unprovoked is not "interventionism".

Going in to "get an evil leader" who had previously been our ally, is not only interventionism, but seems to be a hallmark of the Bush Family.
http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~hbf/panama.htm

Particularly when it is seen as a necessary way of pumping up a Bushie POTUSes "toughness" cred.

 

[middleview]

If Saddam having used gas on the Kurds in 1984 was a reason to invade Iraq, why wouldn't the downing of Pan Am 103 be a good reason to intercede in the civil war that was happening in Libya?

Libya was zero threat to the US? Have you ever met anyone who lost family over Lockerbie?

 

[middleview]

wanna tells us why we invaded Iraq again? Gadhaffi did attack the US....Saddam did not. There was a civil war in Libya, there was not in Iraq. We did not put troops into Libya and did not lose a singal life. We had 150,000 troops in Iraq from 2003 to 2011.

You don't see the difference? If there had been a civil war in Iraq and we had used air power for the benefit of the rebels against Saddam it probably would have been a great coup to have Iraqis overthrow Saddam and with minimal risk to US forces. We didn't do that, even though we had the chance under George HW Bush.