Ideas for small steps toward gun control..
- Thread starter PhilFish
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Dino
Russian Asset
Illegal possession of a firearm = felony charge.
BobbyT
Governor
Do other countries that have those three things lose as many children per year to gun violence as we do?
marvin martian
Emperor
Let parents know if their minor child commits a crime using a firearm, they both do the time.
Spamature
President
So we destroy the 1st amendment in order to fix the 2nd amendment ?
Ok, So I watch an episode of the Rifleman, a popular show from 1958-1963. On the show the main character is a custom rifle and Chuck Connors. Each episode he shoots the rifle to start the show's lead in then in 25 minutes or so he usually shoots a few "bad guys" , some are simply guys who maybe bumped into him at the saloon or crossed his land without "purmission ". Now, as you see when you search this , kids bought the toy guns and practiced the spins and from the hip shooting. Ok, with that established - why didn't those kids go out and kill "perceived bad guys". You also had shows like Gunsmoke, Have Gun Will Travel, Combat, Rat Patrol, etc.
So where did things change and why? I understand movie violence is much worse but many of these shows glorified street / western justice? Maybe these killers feel justified that they are going after the " perceived bad guys " through cultural grooming.
So where did things change and why? I understand movie violence is much worse but many of these shows glorified street / western justice? Maybe these killers feel justified that they are going after the " perceived bad guys " through cultural grooming.
Who would you fear more -
Chuck Norris or Charles Bronson - Both unarmed?
Hulk Hogan or Deputy Barney Fife - Both unarmed?
** when alive
Chuck Norris or Charles Bronson - Both unarmed?
Hulk Hogan or Deputy Barney Fife - Both unarmed?
** when alive
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Don't know. Most don't seem to have the issues we do, so I'll limit my focus to brainstormibg about here
Huh. Amendments are important, you say?
Trick question. Bronson's in a box, so...Chuck
So what is Canada, Germany, UK, France all doing different than the US?
4. stop giving kids antidepressants & other mind altering meds (bring belts back)
well do they? What do they have to do with America?
Do they lose as many children to dope/meds or Tide Pods?
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Worst ass kicking I ever saw was a beefy redneck and a scrawny kid. The scrawny kid...glasses and all...was quite the accomplished kick boxer. I think the first one to land on the big guy's chin and he absolutely knew he was in deep yogurt.
Spamature
President
The freedom to create them is a right.
So how about this if you disagree
1. Reduce guns
2. No more 1
3. No
Abatis
Council Member
Charges are meaningless when the "criminal justice" system in the murder capital of the USA is a revolving door where armed criminals go free again and again . . .
St. Louis Police Chief Dan Isom:
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"One thing we have to be aware of to give context to this whole problem is that we are looking at an urban problem. It’s much less a suburban or rural problem. It really affects young minorities— Hispanic and black males. I think that the suspects devalue life, the victims devalue life, and the system also devalues life. When you look at the shooting victims and suspects in these neighborhoods, you see 20 or 30 felony arrests, with eight convictions.
Often the convictions don’t result in any jail time at all; they’re getting probation on top of probation. This has caused a lot of us in cities to move toward federal prosecution, because we know on the state level it’s a hit-and-miss prospect: they’re arrested, they’re convicted, and they come out multiple times.
In Missouri, there’s a type of probation people can receive, and it has made it very difficult for us to establish a person as a convicted felon. I’ve heard other chiefs talking about the fact that a weapons charge in their state is only a misdemeanor offense. But in St. Louis, a weapons violation can turn out to be no offense at all. An individual will get arrested for a weapons charge, which is a felony, and often they plead to that case and get an SIS—a suspended imposition of sentence. It means that if you serve out your probation, which everybody does, that conviction is erased.
So if you’re arrested again with another weapon, you don’t have a conviction on your record, so you’re not a felon in possession of a weapon. If you continue to get multiple SISs, you never become a convicted felon. These offenders will often show up for other crimes, and if they never have a conviction, then you’re never able to put stiffer charges on them."
Often the convictions don’t result in any jail time at all; they’re getting probation on top of probation. This has caused a lot of us in cities to move toward federal prosecution, because we know on the state level it’s a hit-and-miss prospect: they’re arrested, they’re convicted, and they come out multiple times.
In Missouri, there’s a type of probation people can receive, and it has made it very difficult for us to establish a person as a convicted felon. I’ve heard other chiefs talking about the fact that a weapons charge in their state is only a misdemeanor offense. But in St. Louis, a weapons violation can turn out to be no offense at all. An individual will get arrested for a weapons charge, which is a felony, and often they plead to that case and get an SIS—a suspended imposition of sentence. It means that if you serve out your probation, which everybody does, that conviction is erased.
So if you’re arrested again with another weapon, you don’t have a conviction on your record, so you’re not a felon in possession of a weapon. If you continue to get multiple SISs, you never become a convicted felon. These offenders will often show up for other crimes, and if they never have a conviction, then you’re never able to put stiffer charges on them."
