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Spamature

President
but for rule

n. one of several tests to determine if a defendant is responsible for a particular happening. In this test, was there any other cause, or would it have occurred "but for" the defendant's actions?

Example: "But for" defendant Drivewild's speeding, the car would not have gone out of control, and therefore the defendant is responsible. This is shorthand for whether the action was the "proximate cause" of the damage.


Now ask yourself this.



If not for Donald John Trump would there have been an insurrection against our govt that killed 5 people on Jan 6th 2020 ?
 

Colorforms

Senator
but for rule

n. one of several tests to determine if a defendant is responsible for a particular happening. In this test, was there any other cause, or would it have occurred "but for" the defendant's actions?

Example: "But for" defendant Drivewild's speeding, the car would not have gone out of control, and therefore the defendant is responsible. This is shorthand for whether the action was the "proximate cause" of the damage.


Now ask yourself this.



If not for Donald John Trump would there have been an insurrection against our govt that killed 5 people on Jan 6th 2020 ?
Yep, it was in the works for weeks.

On the other hand, if not for democrats stealing an election, would there have been a riot?
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Remember - several of the conservatives posting here actually bragged that this was going to happen. Two of them stupidly bet me that it would succeed.

These are the republicans of 2021. They hate the America that decent people love. If it were up to them the guy with the fewer votes would still be President and Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence would have been literally lynched. And they would have probably watched it all happen on TV approvingly.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Agree. If not for Trump....

Trump led, his sons, various political hacks and a mother lode of Republican senators and congressmen carried it forward. They wouldn't have done this without Trump's lead.

Great description of Proximate cause.

How about motive next?
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Agree. If not for Trump....

Trump led, his sons, various political hacks and a mother lode of Republican senators and congressmen carried it forward. They wouldn't have done this without Trump's lead.

Great description of Proximate cause.

How about motive next?

Motive: To stay out of jail. For the past 4 years Trump's defense on the various criminal and civil charges leveled against him has been that you can't try a sitting President. When he lost the Presidency he lost that defense.
 

Spamature

President
Remember - several of the conservatives posting here actually bragged that this was going to happen. Two of them stupidly bet me that it would succeed.

These are the republicans of 2021. They hate the America that decent people love. If it were up to them the guy with the fewer votes would still be President and Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence would have been literally lynched. And they would have probably watched it all happen on TV approvingly.
Anybody should have predicted it would happen.

I said the same too.

Only I figured Trump would be more competent in his execution of the plot.

Never count on Trump competence is the lesson I took away from it.
 

Colorforms

Senator
Which Democratic Party member(s) cause that riot ?

Do you have names ?
You mean of all of the faceless state democrats and justices who over-rode state law and created an environment of corruption which was used to steal the election. No, I don't have all their names. That doesn't make them any less blameless.
 

Spamature

President
You mean of all of the faceless state democrats and justices who over-rode state law and created an environment of corruption which was used to steal the election. No, I don't have all their names. That doesn't make them any less blameless.
Yes.

Do you have their names or do you not ?

As in: If not for _______________________________ the riot/insurrection and those 5 deaths would not have happened.

Fill in the blank please.
 

Spamature

President
This deserves a Top 10* list

10. If not for fake news, would you have any threads?
09. If not for Pelosi would the market be tanking like in 2009?
08. If not for Biden*, would there be a Tara Reade?
07. If not for stupidity would liberals compare Trump to a socialist?
06. If not for Liberals would Georgia have been lied to about the 2000 stimulus?
05. If not for Biden*, would Canada be pissed off at us.
04. If not for Biden* would jobs be lost due stopping the Keystone pipeiline?
03. If not for Joe Biden* would we be talking about plagiarism?
02. If not for Joe Biden* would the market tank 600 plus points today?
01. If not for Biden's* cheating would BLM and others rioted at the capitol?
If not for your love and obedience to Trump, and/or your inability to get facts straight, would you have even posted this nonsense ?
 

Dino

Russian Asset
but for rule

n. one of several tests to determine if a defendant is responsible for a particular happening. In this test, was there any other cause, or would it have occurred "but for" the defendant's actions?

Example: "But for" defendant Drivewild's speeding, the car would not have gone out of control, and therefore the defendant is responsible. This is shorthand for whether the action was the "proximate cause" of the damage.


Now ask yourself this.



If not for Donald John Trump would there have been an insurrection against our govt that killed 5 people on Jan 6th 2020 ?
This law and crime actually already has elements. Elements that Trump’s speech DID NOT meet. Your hypothetical is an inherent fail
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
This law and crime actually already has elements. Elements that Trump’s speech DID NOT meet. Your hypothetical is an inherent fail
Yes they did....... of and yeah..... wear a helmet. Really.
 

Dino

Russian Asset
Yes they did....... of and yeah..... wear a helmet. Really.
No. It didn’t. You’re free to hold a wrong headed opinion not based on fact. But impeachment is their only option because a “case” like this one never gets into a courtroom.
Guaranteed.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
but for rule

n. one of several tests to determine if a defendant is responsible for a particular happening. In this test, was there any other cause, or would it have occurred "but for" the defendant's actions?

Example: "But for" defendant Drivewild's speeding, the car would not have gone out of control, and therefore the defendant is responsible. This is shorthand for whether the action was the "proximate cause" of the damage.


Now ask yourself this.



If not for Donald John Trump would there have been an insurrection against our govt that killed 5 people on Jan 6th 2020 ?
This is one of the ultimate dumb posts.....because it implies that any action that leads to a bad result was wrong or criminal.

For instance, if I stop at a red light and someone rear ends me then you could say that I'm partially responsible because I stopped at the red light. Clearly, however, I did nothing wrong.

You need new material. The left wing mind is a rotted out entity.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You mean of all of the faceless state democrats and justices who over-rode state law and created an environment of corruption which was used to steal the election. No, I don't have all their names. That doesn't make them any less blameless.
You don't have their names, you also don't have any evidence. Each and every accusation has been debunked. Those of you, including the president, who acted to amplify those baseless accusations own the riot.

You are just as bad as those who claimed they saw Michael Brown surrendering when they were lying about it are responsible for the riot there.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
This is one of the ultimate dumb posts.....because it implies that any action that leads to a bad result was wrong or criminal.

For instance, if I stop at a red light and someone rear ends me then you could say that I'm partially responsible because I stopped at the red light. Clearly, however, I did nothing wrong.

You need new material. The left wing mind is a rotted out entity.
Idiotic analogies aside....

Trump started off last summer claiming he could only lose if the election was stolen. He primed the pump. When he lost he amplified it by hyping fake evidence of fraud. Each and every allegation has been blown out of the water. Judges have repeatedly ruled the evidence was hearsay or irrelevant. Trump called those judges corrupt.

He then claimed, falsely, that Pence could toss out electors when he actually had no such authority.

Quit defending the actions of the ex-prez. He was absolutely the responsible authority in the eyes of the rioters and they argue now that they were following his orders.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
No. It didn’t. You’re free to hold a wrong headed opinion not based on fact. But impeachment is their only option because a “case” like this one never gets into a courtroom.
Guaranteed.
I'm surprised you have so much faith in the courts now. Didn't you think they were all corrupt when they threw out all of those Trump election fraud cases?

Wear a helmet........ really
 

FakeName

Governor
Yep, it was in the works for weeks.

On the other hand, if not for democrats stealing an election, would there have been a riot?
It was in the works for weeks BECAUSE of Donald Trumps months long lying about the election and instigating.

Seems you believed his lies.

Fact: the Democrats DID NOT steal the election.

Trump lost because he is hated by the left and disliked by the center (i.e. the majority of voters).
 
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FakeName

Governor
This law and crime actually already has elements. Elements that Trump’s speech DID NOT meet. Your hypothetical is an inherent fail
It isnt about that speech, why don't you understand that?

That speech is only a small part of the months of lying about the election and instigating.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
It isnt about that speech, why don't you understand that?

That speech is only a small part of the months of lying about the election and instigating.
Face it righties....

JOE BIDEN IS YOUR PRESIDENT. You couldn't get more votes than him. You couldn't get the state legislatures to over turn the election. You couldn't get the state courts to over turn the election. You couldn't get the Federal courts to over turn the election. You couldn't get the Supreme Court to over turn the election. You couldn't get the Congress to over turn the election. You couldn't get Mike Pence to over turn the election. And You couldn't get the right wing insurrectionists to over turn the election. You lost. JOE BIDEN IS YOUR PRESIDENT.
 
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