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I'm reminded why I left the republican party....

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Everytime Romney, Ryan, Christie, or Clint lied about Obama....it just served to refresh my memory of 2000 and why I'd decided to register and vote Democrat.

-- There has been no government takeover of healthcare.
-- Obama did try to close Guantanamo. The republicans stopped funding.
-- The war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq were started by George W. Bush, not the democrats. The invasion in Iraq was unnecessary to start with and poorly run on top of that. Bush hired cronies to run Fema, as well as the occupation government of Iraq. Paul Bremer was just as inept as Brown was during Katrina. The war in Afghanistan was started with the mission of destroying Al Qaeda and killing Bin Laden. Bush said "Bin Laden, I don't think about him anymore" and clearly was telling the truth. Obama said "I will focus on the terrorists and Bin Laden" and he was telling the truth also.
-- Obama inherited an economy in free fall. That decline didn't start when Obama took office. It had started back in 2005/2006. Bush was warned, but did nothing. When it was very obvious that we were in trouble...what did Bush do? He mailed out checks for a few hundred bucks. He sent billions to GM and Chrysler and said "Try not to go bankrupt until the next guy takes over".
-- Obama did not have complete control of Congress. He had 59 votes in the Senate and the number of filibusters shows what the republicans thought of the fact that the majority agreed with the democrats. The problem in 2010 was that people believed what the republican said. They actually thought there were death panels. They thought that government had taken over GM.
-- Obama has not intruded on freedom of religion. No Catholic has been forced to take contraceptives. That contraception is in health insurance plans does not force anyone to use it.....The businesses that will be required to provide that coverage are not churches, they are hospitals and colleges.
-- Obama never went on an apology tour.
-- The GM plant in Janesville closed before Obama became president. It closed while Bush was in charge and yes, Obama was right....It would have been open with a little help from the government.

So then, once you get past the allegations from Willard that Obama is bad, let's move on to what he says he'll do that will be so good for us.
-- He says he will increase defense spending.
-- He claims that he will not take money out of medicare.
-- He promises to protect seniors, I assume that means he won't take money out of Social Security.
-- His speeches and website all contain tax cuts. Mostly for the wealthy. The plan for two tax rates will result in an increase in taxes for those in the lower bracket and a decrease for those in the top bracket.
-- So given all of the above, would someone explain how he balances the budget and creates 12 million jobs?
 
Funny but every time that Romney or one of that bunch talks about Obama unhappy independents are reminded why they became unhappy with President Obama and are more determined than ever to correct their error in judgment of 2008 and vote for Romney for president in 2012.

Pssst . . . it's the independents who are going to decide this election and they are still strongly breaking for Romney and company.
 
All that reminds me why I vowed in 2002 to never vote for a Republican again.
 
McCain was ahead immediately after the RNC convention in 2008. It didn't last. As people got to know Sarah Palin, they grew to really like Obama.

While people are unhappy with unemployment and the uncertainty evident in the global economy, they will certainly weigh Romney's vague nonsense about secret plans for improving health care by repealing the Affordable Care act, balancing the budget by increasing spending and decreasing taxes, and somehow improving on Obama's foreign policy record (which most people do approve of)....

"strongly breaking"? You haven't gotten any more accurate in your predictions, either.
 
The media worked hard to get Obama elected in 2008 and they went into a Palin hating frenzy for his benefit; but this is not 2008 and Obama is no longer the mass media's passion even though they are still going through the motions of pushing him for re-election.

The think is [and I posted about this last year] that Obama is now a known politician with a truly dismal track record as a president and so there is only so much the media can do this time to carry his water for him. This time Obama has got to earn the presidency by dint of his own efforts [primarily anyway] and there are still no indicators that the man is up to the task.
 
Groan! Oh please with the liberal MSM. You sound like you are in the bunch who think history began January 21, 2008 and will probably end December 21, 2012.
 
The media worked hard to get Obama elected in 2008 and they went into a Palin hating frenzy for his benefit; but this is not 2008 and Obama is no longer the mass media's passion even though they are still going through the motions of pushing him for re-election.

The think is [and I posted about this last year] that Obama is now a known politician with a truly dismal track record as a president and so there is only so much the media can do this time to carry his water for him. This time Obama has got to earn the presidency by dint of his own efforts [primarily anyway] and there are still no indicators that the man is up to the task.

Palin was and is a joke. The media mostly just showed her to us. That was enough.

I've long claimed that had McCain made a sensible choice for VP, he could have won. Any of the Snowe/Collins/Whitworth trio would have presented a greater problem for the electorate. Serious, experienced women all...but they just weren't flaming lipsticked pitbulls...

As to Obama...over the past four years he has been portrayed as a secret Muslim fascist socialist communist marxist hell bent on bringing down the United States of America...yet maintains a higher approval rating than ...Congress...and Mitt. How is that possible?
 
1. Frenzy? They didn't need to. Palin was in full meltdown mode. "What newspapers and magazines have you read" was too hard a question for her to answer?
2. The media? Let me remind you, Reagan was president from 1981 to 1989, Bush 41 until 1993....The republican controlled the congress from 1996 to 2007 and the White House from 2001 to 2009....and you want to say the media (excluding Fox, the WSJ, Washington Times, New York Post, Rush Limbaugh....) somehow decided to control the election of 2008. What an idiotic statement. I guess you are smarter than the rest of us, eh? Those who voted for Bush are the ones who weren't paying attention. Those who support Romney are the same bunch.

What is Romney going to do that was different from what Bush 43 did?
 
I will consider voting republican again after Citizens United is tossed out, Karl Rove is dead, Mitch McConnell & Boehner & Cantor no long run the party....and the blatant hypocrisy and corruption of the party is replaced by true fiscal conservatives.
 
I will consider voting republican again after Citizens United is tossed out, Karl Rove is dead, Mitch McConnell & Boehner & Cantor no long run the party....and the blatant hypocrisy and corruption of the party is replaced by true fiscal conservatives.

I'd have to see the end to the Southern Strategy before I'd consider voting for a Republican.
 
Palin was and is a joke. The media mostly just showed her to us. That was enough.

I've long claimed that had McCain made a sensible choice for VP, he could have won. Any of the Snowe/Collins/Whitworth trio would have presented a greater problem for the electorate. Serious, experienced women all...but they just weren't flaming lipsticked pitbulls...

As to Obama...over the past four years he has been portrayed as a secret Muslim fascist socialist communist marxist hell bent on bringing down the United States of America...yet maintains a higher approval rating than ...Congress...and Mitt. How is that possible?

Possible? Could it be that many think for themselves? They did the same with Clinton when the dogs attacked him over and over.

Look at Clinton today,Front and Center at the Democratic Convention. No hiding the most popular man on earth in the attic.
 
I was with a liberal friend of mine yesterday that is Jewish and is very concerned about Israel. He said Obama really screwed Israel. I said how. He could not say but he was certain of it. I asked him to consider which country he is most concerned with, the USA or Israel. He has also never been to Israel or the MIddle East. I then asked him if Romney seemed attractive to him, consider the gang he brings along with him. He figured it out pretty quickly.
 
Independent voters tend to be the non fanatics and non political junkies and so the party faithful approach of slamming Obama for his phantom [now it's there and now it's not] birth certificate or other such red meat for the party faithful topics is not the way to reach independent voters. What they care about on the whole is the economy and Obama's perceived incompetence and strong leaning towards economy destroying socialism.

Fair enough but it's the approach to these subjects that matter. You can't just point a trembling finger of accusation at Obama and shriek "Socialist!" or "Communist!" or even "Incompetent political hack!" You have to be judicious with the nature of your criticisms so that step by step your independent voters arrive at those conclusions all on their own. You have to sound reasonable to them and balanced and calm and thoughtful rather than a firebrand. You have to be Mitt Romney and allow the Clint Eastwoods to extend their necks for you and then privately laugh when leftwing pundits alienate the elderly by inferring that any of the aged who's not a supporter of Obama is automatically senile. You let the opposition do the hard work for you and then once they alienate a voting base you take over from there.
 
I've got'ts thank you for being honest with us and the rest of the nation as well as with yourself. The GOP's agenda is the BIG LIE. If by telling one lie after another they manage to seize control of both houses of congress and the White House that makes America a "BIG LIE" because we self-destructed and began to destroy something that no wartime enemy has ever managed to do; our self respect.

I don't know what to anticipate. Today is a crap-shoot because our leaders cannot even agree on what to do. They're hung-up with old cliches and patriotic hoopla and flags and church and state and have ignored the major problems we face, that of righting the wrongs and moving on. I think that no matter how the election turns out the country will survive but I wouldn't bet it will prosper as it has always managed to do on the heels of a recession or a depression. We won't be done in if Mitt wins but we will be done for for another four or more years. He is a barefaced liar when he promises 12 million jobs and he knows it. He lies when he says he will balance the budget, unless he does manage to do it by running rough shod over the poor and middle class in the process and he also knows that but evidently doesn't care. If Mitt is elected we will be taking one step backwards and maybe a giant leap to the rear ass regards the welfare of our nation as a whole.

I say again OBAMA is the man.

Gramps
 
LOL... the GOP is fine without you

Me and a lot of others, Mike. Take a look at the re-registration shift from both parties to Independent. More repubs than dems have reregistered. I joined the Democratic party because I wanted some say in the primaries.
 
I'm Reminded Why I'm still in the GOP.

This is just one reason though.....

I Love Guns, I love all different kinds of guns, I Love to buy guns, I love to target and trap shoot and hunt with guns, I love to collect guns, I love to buy accesories for my guns, I love the fact that I am allowed to defend myself, if need be, with guns.


>>>GOP Adopts Strongly Pro-Gun Platform<<<<

Included in the 2012 Republican platform is a strong statement of support for the individual right to keep and bear arms, which goes beyond a generic statement of support for the Second Amendment and includes specific statements on key issues of concern to gun owners.

>>>. We acknowledge, support, and defend the law-abiding citizen's God-given right of self-defense. We call for the protection of such fundamental individual rights recognized in the Supreme Court's decisions in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago affirming that right, and we recognize the individual responsibility to safely use and store firearms. This also includes the right to obtain and store ammunition without registration. We support the fundamental right to self-defense wherever a law-abiding citizen has a legal right to be, and we support federal legislation that would expand the exercise of that right by allowing those with state-issued carry permits to carry firearms in any state that issues such permits to its own residents. Gun ownership is responsible citizenship, enabling Americans to defend their homes and communities. We condemn frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers and oppose federal licensing or registration of law-abiding gun owners. We oppose legislation that is intended to restrict our Second Amendment rights by limiting the capacity of clips or magazines or otherwise restoring the ill-considered Clinton gun ban.<<<<

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/gop-adopts-strongly-pro-gun-platform.aspx

You will NEVER catch me voting for anyone who proposes any restriction on the type or number of weapons a law abiding citizen can own. I propose an amendment to the Constitution that prevents the taxation of firearms and any firearm accessories or ammunition, and the institution of a penalty to be imposed for endangering the public by going unarmed.
 
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