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In this Petraeus scandal...........

Jen

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the only thing missing is a woman driving across the country wearing a diaper (to prevent the necessity of bathroom stops) to confront another woman. But I guess that's been done.

I know that down through history great men have been brought down by women. It's always sad when that happens. But I suppose we must expect that sort of thing or something. I'm sure we'll get through the messy news stories that this one generates.
 
Jen, don't ever be doubtful....to be blunt....of the effect "it" has on men. (and rest assured it's nothing to do with "personality" or "caring"...since the women, in these cases, surely don't show any towards their spouses).

The smartest guy in the room can be turned into a grade-A moron by it.
 
I know, GG......... I know............ ta-tas and other "stuff".

Jen, don't ever be doubtful....to be blunt....of the effect "it" has on men. (and rest assured it's nothing to do with "personality" or "caring"...since the women, in these cases, surely don't show any towards their spouses).

The smartest guy in the room can be turned into a grade-A moron by it.
 
Unfaithful men suck. :)

I've always felt it's a product of egotism. Surely none (on either political side) would deny that Clinton and Gingrich do not have healthy, overly healthy, EGOs.

It basically becomes a person (women too now) saying "My desires and wants are more important than the harm it causes those I care about or don't wish to embarass".

You don't want to be with who you're with...fine....leave them FIRST. But don't keep them around and then dilly with somebody else and think "It's okay...I DESERVE this."
 
I honestly don't understand it. I get "the drive" thing obviously, but it seems to me that if a man truly loves his wife he wouldn't be tempted.

Frankly, I'm far too grateful for the wife and children (all of whom are better than I deserve). I just can't get past that. Seriously, it doesn't even feel like a morality thing - the fact is...I scored big time.

What kind of a moron bails on a Bentley for a Kia? :)
 
If one loves his spouse, fidelity is a piece of cake. I think blaming 'urges' is a cop out.
 
If one loves his spouse, fidelity is a piece of cake. I think blaming 'urges' is a cop out.

EVERYBODY has urges, Rick....and yes, even guys who love their wives and think they "scored big" (as do I). You see Lynn Collins in her "Dejah Thoris" outfit, you think "Not bad"....

but the "trick" is not just loving your spouse...but loving them MORE than yourself.
 
Jen----

Look at videos of Kelley. She cannot stop touching her own hair, running her hands through her hair, moving her hair off her face.... Any psychologist says THAT is highly over-sexed monkey girl. She is a vixen. She is about sex sex sex. Look at Paula Broadwell. Clearly she has a great body and wanted to work out with Patraeus in ways that did not just involve a weight bench. These two women were COMPETING in their own eyes. They probably were actually competing, too! (Men do not have a monopoly on competitive aspects of life).

Then you have Patraeus. Ego, powerful. In good shape. It would be so hard for him to resist a women 20 years his junior who is spending vast amounts of time with him and the subject they focus on is HOW GREAT HE IS! And they agree to be work out partners TOO!

Lordy, it is a prescription for sex!

And Hollie looks as if she ate way, way too many butterball cookies and resembles the uncooked dough of said cookies in many ways. When you look at Patraeus and at Holly and at Paula. you must admit Gen Patraeus resembles Paula Broadwell, they have the same body type, weight face, bone structure, face, etc .... it is amazing how many more ways that Gen Patraeus resembles Paula than he does Hollie Patraeus at this stage of their lives.
 
I'd agree - though I'd say that loving anybody necessarily means loving that person more than yourself.
:)
 
I'd agree - though I'd say that loving anybody necessarily means loving that person more than yourself.
:)

tomay-to, to-mat-o, Rick....same point.

It's rather an unusual moral paradigm that such things break into two mirror-image aspects-

1. Loving yourself more than another vs. 2. Loving another more than yourself.

You go with #1....regardless of "urges" or anything else...you'll always get in trouble. You might say it's a "Biblical trutth"....I might say it's simply a "universal truth"....it's still Truth.
 
I am hearing the excuses about being away from their wives,etc.

But this is really showing what really goes on the the High Brass in the Military.

Another General just lost his 4Th star for excessive spending,partying and taking vacations with his wife on the Tax payers dole. He has to pay it back. Panetta did that. I just wonder if it is not a case of some one finally minding the store and cracking down.
 
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