Inconsistency? Or....having our cake, and eating it, too?

[Barbella]

On the one hand we have liberals, screeching and yelling about women and abortion, "it's MY body, and I know what's good for me!"....

right? Isn't that what you guys have been doing for YEARS now?

And on the other hand.....

MILLIONS OF AMERICANS must be forced to change their healthcare plan into something democrats approve of (or WOULD if they'd read the damn bill), because THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S good for them?

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS, you two-faced bitches....

Are Americans smart enough to make their own choices about their own health care and bodies, or aren't they? Or...are ONLY WOMEN smart enough to know what's good for them, but men aren't? Or WTF is going on here?

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Not because people "don't know what's good for them."

Because there's no reason why society should bear the health care costs of those who can afford to adequately insure themselves by choose not to. No more leeching by those people - just like the Heritage Foundation said when they developed the notion.

 

[SW48]

Not because people "don't know what's good for them."

Because there's no reason why society should bear the health care costs of those who can afford to adequately insure themselves by choose not to. No more leeching by those people - just like the Heritage Foundation said when they developed the notion.

While I want health care for all Bugs. Who is going to suddenly get insurance that didn't have insurance and pay for it themselves?

Can you name someone you know or have a number of people that will get insurance and pay for it themselves?

"No more leeching by those people" is quite a statement. I just don't see it. I believe they will be leeching just the same.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

While I want health care for all Bugs. Who is going to suddenly get insurance that didn't have insurance and pay for it themselves?

Can you name someone you know or have a number of people that will get insurance and pay for it themselves?

"No more leeching by those people" is quite a statement. I just don't see it. I believe they will be leeching just the same.

Try to focus...

The leeching the ACA eliminates is the leeching the Heritage Foundation (and Mitt Romney) sought to eliminate through the requirement of buying adequate insurance by those who can afford to buy it - leeching the cost of medical care from society when people need it but do not have the insurance to cover it. Because those people get treated in any event. The question is who will pay for it - those people themselves, through insurance they buy, or society as a whole, if they don't buy it.

 

[Arkady]

On the one hand we have liberals, screeching and yelling about women and abortion, "it's MY body, and I know what's good for me!"....

right? Isn't that what you guys have been doing for YEARS now?

And on the other hand.....

MILLIONS OF AMERICANS must be forced to change their healthcare plan into something democrats approve of (or WOULD if they'd read the damn bill), because THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S good for them?

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS, you two-faced bitches....

Are Americans smart enough to make their own choices about their own health care and bodies, or aren't they? Or...are ONLY WOMEN smart enough to know what's good for them, but men aren't? Or WTF is going on here?

I think you're correctly pointing to an area of inconsistency, but in the exact wrong direction. It's quite possible to justify the distinction in the Democratic position: they're comfortable with the government interfering with a fairly impersonal economic decision (the choice of how, exactly, to finance your health care). What they're not comfortable with is the government interfering with one of the most intimate decisions in a person's life, by criminalizing the decision to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. By comparison, Republicans are freaking out about government interfering in a mere commercial consideration, even as they want Uncle Sam dictating what women do with the contents of their wombs. It's not easy to understand that inconsistency.

Government interference in health insurance isn't a terribly big deal -- it's a much smaller interference than we already have when it comes to the elderly (who have single-payer, heavily-socialized healthcare), and a smaller interference than exists in any other wealthy nation on the planet (all of which have health care systems with more government involvement than Obamacare). By comparison, interfering with reproductive rights would be a very big deal, and would put us at odds with most other wealthy nations, most of which respect women to make that decision themselves.