Indispensible? Who?

[Gramps]

Prominant people from walks of life other than politics should understand that their opinions are only opinions and carry no more weight than that of janitors or dog catchers or homeless veterans.

Eastwood a recent example of a celeb speaking out should remember his own advice from movie scripts that made him famous. One comes to mind, the final words he spoke ending one Dirty Harry film ---- "A man's got to know his limitations."

Grand Torino was his last starring role, his last film (so he said). Now I see he's going to take another crack at a last film. So much for his word and so much for using the political stage to thrust himself back into the limelight. John Wayne as I recall was not an Eastwood fan. He thought he didn't exemplify what real cowboys were or how the west was really won. Well, that was a matter of his opinion. Wayne was famous for the good guys coming out on top which defies tales of the real west as historian tell about it.

The old saying about shoving a clenched fist into a pail of water, then removing it to see the impression you left was a fine way to explain why no one or no thing is indespensible.

When Eastwood was a struggling would-be actor he went to read for a part at the same time as Burt Reynolds. Neither man got the part and when they were leaving the studio Eastwood asked Reynolds why he was rejected and he said the producer said his ears were too big. Then he asked Clint why he didn't get the part and he said the producer told him "he wasn't a very good actor". And he went on say, "I can learn to act. What are you going to do about those big ears?"


Gramps

 

[lilly]

Gramps you are so darn cute and so darn right. What is it about these celebs that think since they have made a name for saying a few words in a movie or such, and think their words should be listened to in important matters.

Who knows they may be made to think that by people running for office and yet it probably didn't take much to convience them. (smile)

I bet you could get up there and tell them a thing or two, lordy wouldn't that be fun. It's a funny world, in fact kown right wacky at times.

Thanks for the thread.

Lilly

 

[Friday13]

"A man's got to know his limitations."

This is something Rmoney should learn, and I believe he will in Nov, 2012.

Marion Mitchell Morrison (born Marion Robert Morrison; May 26, 1907 – June 11, 1979

Wayne was born in Winterset, Iowa but his family relocated to the greater Los Angeles area when he was four years old. He found work at local film studios when he lost his football scholarship to USC as a result of a bodysurfing accident ~wiki

He was a movie cowboy who obviously didn't read his history of the REAL America. The only "west" he knew was L A.

 

[fairsheet]

As I see it, celebrities carry one big-assed burden. For if you feel strongly about an issue and you enjoy a significant "stage", might you feel obligated to employ that stage to your cause?

I guess the problem is...it's way more complicated than just having a righteous cause and a stage. For it's all to easy, to do a cause more harm than good, by blundering it onto that stage.

 

[KnotaFrayed]

Prominant people from walks of life other than politics should understand that their opinions are only opinions and carry no more weight than that of janitors or dog catchers or homeless veterans.

Eastwood a recent example of a celeb speaking out should remember his own advice from movie scripts that made him famous. One comes to mind, the final words he spoke ending one Dirty Harry film ---- "A man's got to know his limitations."

Grand Torino was his last starring role, his last film (so he said). Now I see he's going to take another crack at a last film. So much for his word and so much for using the political stage to thrust himself back into the limelight. John Wayne as I recall was not an Eastwood fan. He thought he didn't exemplify what real cowboys were or how the west was really won. Well, that was a matter of his opinion. Wayne was famous for the good guys coming out on top which defies tales of the real west as historian tell about it.

The old saying about shoving a clenched fist into a pail of water, then removing it to see the impression you left was a fine way to explain why no one or no thing is indespensible.

When Eastwood was a struggling would-be actor he went to read for a part at the same time as Burt Reynolds. Neither man got the part and when they were leaving the studio Eastwood asked Reynolds why he was rejected and he said the producer said his ears were too big. Then he asked Clint why he didn't get the part and he said the producer told him "he wasn't a very good actor". And he went on say, "I can learn to act. What are you going to do about those big ears?"


Gramps

Wonderful Gramps!

The cure for vanity appears to be its opposite, humility and when equalized a balance is the result.

http://www.healpastlives.com/future/cure/crvanity.htm

As survivors of those who go before us, one realizes we are all equal in that none of us escape death regardless of the size of our ego or bank account and those with insignificant bank accounts can leave a larger legacy behind than those with enormous bank accounts.

Leaving behind great wisdom can offer far more than riches as a well known proverb claimed by many origins, amongst so many wisdoms from all time, all cultures offers.

"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

Even claims to the meaning of the above wisdom vary, but it would seem, suffice it to say, regardless of the origin or what meaning one might claim dominates, one might see at least two wisdoms.

One, that as a parent teaches a child how to survive on their own, so might all humans share their skills as a lasting gift, beyond an immediate helping hand.

The other is that we do not help someone beyond a reaching a hand to help out of a mire, if all we do is help them out of the mire without helping them stay out of the mire, by teaching them ways to avoid it.

Some interpret it as a warning to not help those in need by handing them money, but tell them to get a job. Unfortunately, this interpretation seems to misinterpret the statement as suggesting one should NOT feed the needy, nor teach them how to feed themselves.

Some interpret it as helping others, not just by handing them money, but making sure they are able to stand on their own feet after the money you have given them is expended.

Some could interpret it in a similar way as I have, but more simplistic.

For the person that needs to be fed because they do not know how to feed themselves, help them in the short term by feeding them, then recognizing that they do not know how to feed themselves, help them by giving them the longer lasting longer term gift of knowledge of how to feed themselves.

While we miss those we know in our lifetimes that go before us, some of us might be struck at the same time with the thought of how life and the world continues to go on without them and will without us, most of the world not even missing a beat with our loss. Most, even with the death of a famous or inflamous character, take only a relative short notice of their passing before returning to their own ongoing struggle to survive.

Yes, by the nature of things, we are all "expendable", but we can help those we leave behind with their struggles if we teach them how to struggle less against one another by working with one another to not just bring in more fish for all to share, but how to sustain the harvest of fish so it lasts for all the lifetimes that follow our own. This would seem to be longer lasting than leaving behind a huge inheritance of material wealth and cash, that might only feed those that do not know how to fish, for a short while.

Thanks Gramps!!!
Very best,
Knot

 

[fairsheet]

Wonderful Gramps!

The cure for vanity appears to be its opposite, humility and when equalized a balance is the result.

http://www.healpastlives.com/future/cure/crvanity.htm

As survivors of those who go before us, one realizes we are all equal in that none of us escape death regardless of the size of our ego or bank account and those with insignificant bank accounts can leave a larger legacy behind than those with enormous bank accounts.

Leaving behind great wisdom can offer far more than riches as a well known proverb claimed by many origins, amongst so many wisdoms from all time, all cultures offers.

"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

Even claims to the meaning of the above wisdom vary, but it would seem, suffice it to say, regardless of the origin or what meaning one might claim dominates, one might see at least two wisdoms.

One, that as a parent teaches a child how to survive on their own, so might all humans share their skills as a lasting gift, beyond an immediate helping hand.

The other is that we do not help someone beyond a reaching a hand to help out of a mire, if all we do is help them out of the mire without helping them stay out of the mire, by teaching them ways to avoid it.

Some interpret it as a warning to not help those in need by handing them money, but tell them to get a job. Unfortunately, this interpretation seems to misinterpret the statement as suggesting one should NOT feed the needy, nor teach them how to feed themselves.

Some interpret it as helping others, not just by handing them money, but making sure they are able to stand on their own feet after the money you have given them is expended.

Some could interpret it in a similar way as I have, but more simplistic.

For the person that needs to be fed because they do not know how to feed themselves, help them in the short term by feeding them, then recognizing that they do not know how to feed themselves, help them by giving them the longer lasting longer term gift of knowledge of how to feed themselves.

While we miss those we know in our lifetimes that go before us, some of us might be struck at the same time with the thought of how life and the world continues to go on without them and will without us, most of the world not even missing a beat with our loss. Most, even with the death of a famous or inflamous character, take only a relative short notice of their passing before returning to their own ongoing struggle to survive.

Yes, by the nature of things, we are all "expendable", but we can help those we leave behind with their struggles if we teach then how to struggle less against one another by working with one another to not just bring in more fish for all to share, but how to sustain the harvest of fish so it lasts for all the lifetimes that follow our own. This would seem to be longer lasting than leaving behind a huge inheritance of material wealth and cash, that might only feed those that do not know how to fish, for a short while.

Thanks Gramps!!!
Very best,
Knot

The current iteration of Fox/GOPism appears to feel that the only way to teach a man to fish, is to starve him - so's he'll have no choice but to fish. Alas, Fox/GOPism seems to feel no obligation to make sure the man has a fishing pole, knows how it works, nor even a body of water nearby, that has edible fish in it!

 

[Friday13]

I'll take my celebs like Branjelina...putting 'their money where their mouth is', $$$million$$$ of their own money. Building homes in NOLA, sponsoring schools and orphans (when they're not adopting them), helping in Haiti...not many words, but their actions speak volumes. If more of the hollywood types could learn this...

 

[Friday13]

One life, Knot...nobody gets out alive, so make the best of it and be the best you can be while you're here.

 

[KnotaFrayed]

The current iteration of Fox/GOPism appears to feel that the only way to teach a man to fish, is to starve him - so's he'll have no choice but to fish. Alas, Fox/GOPism seems to feel no obligation to make sure the man has a fishing pole, knows how it works, nor even a body of water nearby, that has edible fish in it!

Yes, and in some ways ironically, their legacy is not necessarily to teach others or even their own children to fish, but to keep feeding them without teaching them to feed themselves via privileges the masses are not "given" by their parents. Such privileges include education (see also "legacy preferences" and admittances,) job and investor introductions and "honorable" "outs" from higher risks of harm (see health insurance and "Champagne Units" of the Vietnam era) and huge monetary inheritances.

To be clear, it is not just Republicans or conservatives who are wealthy, excessively or otherwise, but there is a distinct political difference when it comes to who refuses to pay more in taxes and who has no problems with doing so, recognizing the excessive wealth they possess and how their extreme and luxurious comfort will be little affected by paying more in taxes to go toward paying the bills their nation incurs. They appear to recognize, for all the costs, the benefits and protections they enjoy by being a corporation registered as American. Some also appear to recognize how their supporting their government also supports those benefits and protections. In short, they appear to recognize mutual benefit and how all profit from it.

 

[KnotaFrayed]

One life, Knot...nobody gets out alive, so make the best of it and be the best you can be while you're here.

JA Friday!! The one comfort or consolation we can all enjoy and/or maybe appreciate or be grateful for is that we're all headed in the same direction whether we got here before or after others.

; )

Hope all things are super for you Friday!! Have a fabulous Saturday!!

 

[Friday13]

Hope all things are super for you Friday!! Have a fabulous Saturday!!

Back atcha, Knot...have a great weekend!