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freyasman

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I had a discussion about this at my uncle's place last weekend.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/27/time-raise-voting-age-back-21/
From the link;
"The events since the Parkland shooting have convinced me that we need to change the Constitution to eliminate an ill-considered amendment that has done more harm than good. We need to repeal the 26th Amendment and raise the voting age back to 21.

That’s the opposite of what a lot of people are advocating. Seeing Parkland students go on television and agitate for gun control has people on the Left excited at the prospect of lowering the voting age to 16. That is, they’re excited about the small subset of Parkland students opportunistic talk-show hosts have paraded in front of television cameras—not the ones who dropped out of scripted “town halls” when they refused to let CNN tell them what they could say.


But what I’ve seen from the teenagers getting the most television coverage has confirmed their poorly considered political views should not have binding power over anyone, and explained why they should not be given any kind of authority on matters of national importance.

Consider the case of David Hogg, the one you’ve probably seen on TV the most. A few days ago he was responding to the unraveling of the Parkland narrative—the revelation that armed sheriff’s deputies had arrived at the shooting while it was in progress but made no attempt to stop the killer—by excusing the deputy, asking, “Who wants to go down the barrel of an AR-15?” (Never mind that the deputy had no way of knowing what weapon was being used.) Just a few days later, Hogg was on television (again), blaming the deputy’s inaction on…Florida Gov. Rick Scott.

These elected officials are the boss of these sheriff personnel and just like the president is the boss of the FBI, Governor Rick Scott is essentially the boss of Scott Israel, the sheriff, and as such he should be held accountable. He can’t just blame this on the bureaucracy and expect to get re-elected.

Aside from the blatant contradiction of Hogg’s earlier views, the main thing you should notice about this statement is that it is factually wrong. Scott is not the “boss” of Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel any more than Scott is the “boss” of the state’s mayors or legislators. The sheriff is an independently elected position. That’s a widespread feature of our Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement, which today’s young people might know if they weren’t too busy being taught to be shocked and offended by the phrase “Anglo-American.”

Moreover, just a few years back, Israel spent a lot of money campaigning for his position and subsequently put a bunch of his campaign officials on the public payroll. This was all reported widely in local newspapers, which are read by politically engaged local voters—but are not, as a general rule, read by high-school students.


Don’t try to make sense out of any of this. Just notice what it accomplishes: it once again lets Israel skip out on responsibility for the policies and training of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office that he runs, and shifts the blame onto a Republican politician, which better serves the preferred political narrative.

You can criticize Hogg for being uninformed and inconsistent, for being a publicity hound, or for being easily manipulated by partisan activists. But I would prefer just to say that he is 17 years old. Of course he’s saying dumb things in a smugly self-assured way, because that’s what 17-year-olds do. His knowledge is incomplete and his judgment is under-developed."

More at the link.
 
Would raising the age to join the military also accompany the change in age to vote?

Bad enough that you can be sent to die for your country but cannot legally drink a beer. It would be atrociously unfair for a politician to send a young man off to die when that young man had zero say in the politician getting elected in the first place, no?
 
Would raising the age to join the military also accompany the change in age to vote?

Bad enough that you can be sent to die for your country but cannot legally drink a beer. It would be atrociously unfair for a politician to send a young man off to die when that young man had zero say in the politician getting elected in the first place, no?
I absolutely agree.
 
I had a discussion about this at my uncle's place last weekend.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/27/time-raise-voting-age-back-21/
From the link;
"The events since the Parkland shooting have convinced me that we need to change the Constitution to eliminate an ill-considered amendment that has done more harm than good. We need to repeal the 26th Amendment and raise the voting age back to 21.

That’s the opposite of what a lot of people are advocating. Seeing Parkland students go on television and agitate for gun control has people on the Left excited at the prospect of lowering the voting age to 16. That is, they’re excited about the small subset of Parkland students opportunistic talk-show hosts have paraded in front of television cameras—not the ones who dropped out of scripted “town halls” when they refused to let CNN tell them what they could say.


But what I’ve seen from the teenagers getting the most television coverage has confirmed their poorly considered political views should not have binding power over anyone, and explained why they should not be given any kind of authority on matters of national importance.

Consider the case of David Hogg, the one you’ve probably seen on TV the most. A few days ago he was responding to the unraveling of the Parkland narrative—the revelation that armed sheriff’s deputies had arrived at the shooting while it was in progress but made no attempt to stop the killer—by excusing the deputy, asking, “Who wants to go down the barrel of an AR-15?” (Never mind that the deputy had no way of knowing what weapon was being used.) Just a few days later, Hogg was on television (again), blaming the deputy’s inaction on…Florida Gov. Rick Scott.

These elected officials are the boss of these sheriff personnel and just like the president is the boss of the FBI, Governor Rick Scott is essentially the boss of Scott Israel, the sheriff, and as such he should be held accountable. He can’t just blame this on the bureaucracy and expect to get re-elected.

Aside from the blatant contradiction of Hogg’s earlier views, the main thing you should notice about this statement is that it is factually wrong. Scott is not the “boss” of Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel any more than Scott is the “boss” of the state’s mayors or legislators. The sheriff is an independently elected position. That’s a widespread feature of our Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement, which today’s young people might know if they weren’t too busy being taught to be shocked and offended by the phrase “Anglo-American.”

Moreover, just a few years back, Israel spent a lot of money campaigning for his position and subsequently put a bunch of his campaign officials on the public payroll. This was all reported widely in local newspapers, which are read by politically engaged local voters—but are not, as a general rule, read by high-school students.


Don’t try to make sense out of any of this. Just notice what it accomplishes: it once again lets Israel skip out on responsibility for the policies and training of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office that he runs, and shifts the blame onto a Republican politician, which better serves the preferred political narrative.

You can criticize Hogg for being uninformed and inconsistent, for being a publicity hound, or for being easily manipulated by partisan activists. But I would prefer just to say that he is 17 years old. Of course he’s saying dumb things in a smugly self-assured way, because that’s what 17-year-olds do. His knowledge is incomplete and his judgment is under-developed."

More at the link.



The great disconnect to me about this -is that we think they should not HAVE a gun at 18...but that they should be able to make a decision about who can at 18.

I actually think that the legal adulthood SHOULD be 18. However, given the decades of dumbing down, coddling and mollifying our youth that we have engaged in - our 18 year olds are not ready at all to be functioning adults at 18. Which is a great shame, really. These are people by and large who still live at home and have substantial oversight and input on their daily lives from their helicopter parents. They are not ready to vote - or do anything legal at 18 anymore.

connie
 
The great disconnect to me about this -is that we think they should not HAVE a gun at 18...but that they should be able to make a decision about who can at 18.

I actually think that the legal adulthood SHOULD be 18. However, given the decades of dumbing down, coddling and mollifying our youth that we have engaged in - our 18 year olds are not ready at all to be functioning adults at 18. Which is a great shame, really. These are people by and large who still live at home and have substantial oversight and input on their daily lives from their helicopter parents. They are not ready to vote - or do anything legal at 18 anymore.

connie
My father used to bitch about lowering the voting age; said that's when the country really started going downhill. But he was also fair enough to say that there is no way to deny a vote to people who are old enough to fight for that country. But boy are they dumb, most of them....
 
My father used to bitch about lowering the voting age; said that's when the country really started going downhill. But he was also fair enough to say that there is no way to deny a vote to people who are old enough to fight for that country. But boy are they dumb, most of them....

I do agree, either you raise it to 21 for everything, or it has to stay 18. I am fine raising it, but I think it will decrease recruiting that is for sure.
 
I do agree, either you raise it to 21 for everything, or it has to stay 18. I am fine raising it, but I think it will decrease recruiting that is for sure.
They would have to make military service a lot higher paying at a minimum.
 
They would have to make military service a lot higher paying at a minimum.

It should be. They should make a lot of modifications. A friends son in law is getting out after his 4 or 5 years because they would not give him an assignment in a position that interested him. All that training, all that money on him..... wasted. They just cycle people through at great cost. And then complain they don't have enough man power....You have qualified service people getting out after 5 years because you won't even attempt to humor their assignment requests..... but you need more people......
 
I had a discussion about this at my uncle's place last weekend.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/27/time-raise-voting-age-back-21/
From the link;
"The events since the Parkland shooting have convinced me that we need to change the Constitution to eliminate an ill-considered amendment that has done more harm than good. We need to repeal the 26th Amendment and raise the voting age back to 21.

That’s the opposite of what a lot of people are advocating. Seeing Parkland students go on television and agitate for gun control has people on the Left excited at the prospect of lowering the voting age to 16. That is, they’re excited about the small subset of Parkland students opportunistic talk-show hosts have paraded in front of television cameras—not the ones who dropped out of scripted “town halls” when they refused to let CNN tell them what they could say.


But what I’ve seen from the teenagers getting the most television coverage has confirmed their poorly considered political views should not have binding power over anyone, and explained why they should not be given any kind of authority on matters of national importance.

Consider the case of David Hogg, the one you’ve probably seen on TV the most. A few days ago he was responding to the unraveling of the Parkland narrative—the revelation that armed sheriff’s deputies had arrived at the shooting while it was in progress but made no attempt to stop the killer—by excusing the deputy, asking, “Who wants to go down the barrel of an AR-15?” (Never mind that the deputy had no way of knowing what weapon was being used.) Just a few days later, Hogg was on television (again), blaming the deputy’s inaction on…Florida Gov. Rick Scott.

These elected officials are the boss of these sheriff personnel and just like the president is the boss of the FBI, Governor Rick Scott is essentially the boss of Scott Israel, the sheriff, and as such he should be held accountable. He can’t just blame this on the bureaucracy and expect to get re-elected.

Aside from the blatant contradiction of Hogg’s earlier views, the main thing you should notice about this statement is that it is factually wrong. Scott is not the “boss” of Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel any more than Scott is the “boss” of the state’s mayors or legislators. The sheriff is an independently elected position. That’s a widespread feature of our Anglo-American heritage of law enforcement, which today’s young people might know if they weren’t too busy being taught to be shocked and offended by the phrase “Anglo-American.”

Moreover, just a few years back, Israel spent a lot of money campaigning for his position and subsequently put a bunch of his campaign officials on the public payroll. This was all reported widely in local newspapers, which are read by politically engaged local voters—but are not, as a general rule, read by high-school students.


Don’t try to make sense out of any of this. Just notice what it accomplishes: it once again lets Israel skip out on responsibility for the policies and training of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office that he runs, and shifts the blame onto a Republican politician, which better serves the preferred political narrative.

You can criticize Hogg for being uninformed and inconsistent, for being a publicity hound, or for being easily manipulated by partisan activists. But I would prefer just to say that he is 17 years old. Of course he’s saying dumb things in a smugly self-assured way, because that’s what 17-year-olds do. His knowledge is incomplete and his judgment is under-developed."

More at the link.
Florida is retarded anyway, they let 12 year olds go deep sea fishing alone and die then never change anything
 
It should be. They should make a lot of modifications. A friends son in law is getting out after his 4 or 5 years because they would not give him an assignment in a position that interested him. All that training, all that money on him..... wasted. They just cycle people through at great cost. And then complain they don't have enough man power....You have qualified service people getting out after 5 years because you won't even attempt to humor their assignment requests..... but you need more people......
The military actually wants dumb people who do what they are told without thinking, instead of the right thing
 
No, you were right about that.
I don't disagree with most of what you say because I dislike you (although I do), I do it because you're usually wrong. But not in this case.
I have never been wrong, not because I know everything, but because I reserve my opinion to instances where it will be correct.

No one likes me, because I am never wrong, it's annoying, I know
 
I have never been wrong, not because I know everything, but because I reserve my opinion to instances where it will be correct.

No one likes me, because I am never wrong, it's annoying, I know
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I like these;

I'm looking for some property right now so I can get one and breed them. They need a lot of room.
That breed is not AKC recognized so they might be hard to sell, or they might be worth a lot, technically in the USA it's a mutt though. My personal opinion is that there are too many breeds already, with some breeds like pugs not able to breath properly ever.............
 
The kids just parrot the thinking pushed at them in school by the leftist teachers. They need to get out of school and face reality before they get to vote. Young people are too immature these days to handle the responsibility of voting.
 
That breed is not AKC recognized so they might be hard to sell, or they might be worth a lot, technically in the USA it's a mutt though. My personal opinion is that there are too many breeds already, with some breeds like pugs not able to breath properly ever.............
The breeders here in Texas get from 1 - 2K per puppy.
 
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