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Is the election really rigged?

Bugsy McGurk

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Well, we do have the relentless GOP efforts to suppress likely Dem votes.

And we do have the Trump/Putin alliance that has resulted in Russian hacking of Dem computer networks (not GOP), along with fears that the alliance will also hack voting systems.

So there is some evidence of election rigging but, as always with Trump, he has it backwards.
 
The outcome of this electionhas been likely since 2008. All Hillary has had to do is not say or do anything to mess it up.
The republicans are mad because they have thrown a lot of garbage at the wall, and nothing has stuck.
 
Well, we do have the relentless GOP efforts to suppress likely Dem votes.

And we do have the Trump/Putin alliance that has resulted in Russian hacking of Dem computer networks (not GOP), along with fears that the alliance will also hack voting systems.

So there is some evidence of election rigging but, as always with Trump, he has it backwards.
They know that Russia is behind the Wiki-Leaks and God knows how much of their 'leaks' is even valid. And Putin sure as hell has made it plain who he wants our President to be. He trusts Trump to be a disaster and that's what they want. Yet you don't hear Hillary Clinton at her campaign rallies saying that if she loses it's because of a 'rigged election'. After what happened in 2000, I'd think the GOP would be a little hesitant to bring up rigged elections. Yet I've not seen Hillary spending all her time talking about 'rigged elections' or how biased Fox News is.
 
Well, we do have the relentless GOP efforts to suppress likely Dem votes.

And we do have the Trump/Putin alliance that has resulted in Russian hacking of Dem computer networks (not GOP), along with fears that the alliance will also hack voting systems.

So there is some evidence of election rigging but, as always with Trump, he has it backwards.
It's "rigged" in a few unquestionable ways:

(1) Our voting system gives disproportionate voting power in both the Senate and the Electoral College to those who live in low-population states. These are mostly red states. In fact, of those living in states with more than the median state population, blue-staters outnumber red-staters more than two-to-one, creating a heavy conservative tilt from this effect.
(2) Our voting system in the House has been gerrymandered by the Republicans in control of most of the states to the point that it's possible (and has actually occurred recently), for the Democrats to receive a significant majority of votes in the House and yet for the Republicans to win a significant majority of the seats.
(3) The disenfranchisement of prisoners not only disproportionately strips the poor and minorities of voting power, but it also disproportionately gives voting power to people in a handful of mostly rural, conservative districts, in red states, where those prisoners tend to be held. The incarceration rate is over three times as high in some states as others, and those people still count for apportionment, giving the voters in those states the equivalent of extra votes. The high-incareration-rate states are ALL red state.
(4) The disenfranchisement of former felons does even more to shift voting power disproportionately away from the poor and minorities, especially in red states, where 5%-10% of potential voters can be disenfranchised, compared to less than 1% in blue states.
(5) Polling places are set up to make voting as quick and painless as possible in neighborhoods with rich people and white people, while the process is kept difficult and slow in neighborhoods of minorities and the poor, to try to suppress turnout. This results in black people having to wait in line about twice as long as whites to vote, on average.
(6) People in DC and the territories lack full voting rights (and in some cases any voting rights). These territories tend to favor Democrats by huge margins.

Yes, as skewed as our system is, by design, against the interests of urbanites, the poor, and racial and ethnic minorities (and against the party that serves them), the Republicans would very much like to skew it even further, with voter ID laws designed to disproportionately inconvenience demographics that favor the Democrats.

There are also the intentionally over-zealous voter purges, and constant attempts to intimidate voters from demographics believed to favor Democrats (e.g., distributing materials in poor and minority neighborhoods warning that anyone with outstanding tickets might be arrested at voting stations, or distributing materials at colleges warning that it is illegal to vote in their home state (or the state where they're going to school -- the point is to spread confusion to scare away voters).

The result of all of that is pretty clear. Republicans consistently do better with "likely voters" than they do with the general populace... because the portion of the general populace most likely to prefer Democrats has had their voting systematically suppressed, while the portion of the general populace most likely to prefer Republicans is disproportionately likely to be located somewhere that their votes count extra. That's certainly a form of rigging an election. In effect, Democrats have to appeal to a significantly larger portion of the population than Republicans just to break even on election day.
 
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Well, we do have the relentless GOP efforts to suppress likely Dem votes.

And we do have the Trump/Putin alliance that has resulted in Russian hacking of Dem computer networks (not GOP), along with fears that the alliance will also hack voting systems.

So there is some evidence of election rigging but, as always with Trump, he has it backwards.
It's "rigged" in a few unquestionable ways:

(1) Our voting system gives disproportionate voting power in both the Senate and the Electoral College to those who live in low-population states. These are mostly red states. In fact, of those living in states with more than the median state population, blue-staters outnumber red-staters more than two-to-one, creating a heavy conservative tilt from this effect.
(2) Our voting system in the House has been gerrymandered by the Republicans in control of most of the states to the point that it's possible (and has actually occurred recently), for the Democrats to receive a significant majority of votes in the House and yet for the Republicans to win a significant majority of the seats.
(3) The disenfranchisement of prisoners not only disproportionately strips the poor and minorities of voting power, but it also disproportionately gives voting power to people in a handful of mostly rural, conservative districts, in red states, where those prisoners tend to be held. The incarceration rate is over three times as high in some states as others, and those people still count for apportionment, giving the voters in those states the equivalent of extra votes. The high-incareration-rate states are ALL red state.
(4) The disenfranchisement of former felons does even more to shift voting power disproportionately away from the poor and minorities, especially in red states, where 5%-10% of potential voters can be disenfranchised, compared to less than 1% in blue states.
(5) Polling places are set up to make voting as quick and painless as possible in neighborhoods with rich people and white people, while the process is kept difficult and slow in neighborhoods of minorities and the poor, to try to suppress turnout. This results in black people having to wait in line about twice as long as whites to vote, on average.
(6) People in DC and the territories lack full voting rights (and in some cases any voting rights). These territories tend to favor Democrats by huge margins.

Yes, as skewed as our system is, by design, against the interests of urbanites, the poor, and racial and ethnic minorities (and against the party that serves them), the Republicans would very much likely to skew it even further, with voter ID laws designed to disproportionately inconvenience demographics that favor the Democrats.

There are also the intentionally over-zealous voter purges, and constant attempts to intimidate voters from demographics believed to favor Democrats (e.g., distributing materials in poor and minority neighborhoods warning that anyone with outstanding tickets might be arrested at voting stations, or distributing materials at colleges warning that it is illegal to vote in their home state (or the state where they're going to school -- the point is to spread confusion to scare away voters).

The result of all of that is pretty clear. Republicans consistently do better with "likely voters" than they do with the general populace... because the portion of the general populace most likely to prefer Democrats has had their voting systematically suppressed, while the portion of the general populace most likely to prefer Republicans is disproportionately likely to be located somewhere that their votes count extra. That's certainly a form of rigging an election.
What a shame to waste all of those words on a pile of irrelevant nothingness. All of your premise positions stated above are easily true in spades for both so called parties... Your inability to see that with balance is monumentally obtuse and one of the major flaws of almost every lefty who posts here.
 
Well, we do have the relentless GOP efforts to suppress likely Dem votes.

And we do have the Trump/Putin alliance that has resulted in Russian hacking of Dem computer networks (not GOP), along with fears that the alliance will also hack voting systems.

So there is some evidence of election rigging but, as always with Trump, he has it backwards.

No the election is not rigged.

However the main stream media is actively campaigning against Trump and that is concerning as the country moves forward.
 
They know that Russia is behind the Wiki-Leaks and God knows how much of their 'leaks' is even valid. And Putin sure as hell has made it plain who he wants our President to be. He trusts Trump to be a disaster and that's what they want. Yet you don't hear Hillary Clinton at her campaign rallies saying that if she loses it's because of a 'rigged election'. After what happened in 2000, I'd think the GOP would be a little hesitant to bring up rigged elections. Yet I've not seen Hillary spending all her time talking about 'rigged elections' or how biased Fox News is.
Fox is strictly Anti-Trump....
Now that we have established your credibility factor ... Tell us more.
 
And we do have the Trump/Putin alliance that has resulted in Russian hacking of Dem computer networks (not GOP), along with fears that the alliance will also hack voting systems.

So there is some evidence of election rigging but, as always with Trump, he has it backwards.

You would have to be [Unwelcome language removed] retarded to believe any of that.

Clinton Campaign starts screaming about Russia as a simple distraction every time their is a document dump showing what a complete [Unwelcome language removed] her and her campaign are.

It's sad. Want to ask questions about Russia? Start with Uranium One. Then watch how quickly the DNC and Clinton stop talking about the Russians.
 
What a shame to waste all of those words on a pile of irrelevant nothingness.
Obviously, it's very relevant to the question posed. What would make you think otherwise?

All of your premise positions stated above are easily true in spades for both so called parties

If you want to make the case that there are as many ways the system is skewed for the Democrats as the Republicans, feel free to make that case. But merely asserting the claim isn't sufficient. I laid out the ways that our rules favor Republicans in detail. There's this tendency by right-wingers here to think that they can simply state something and that establishes it as fact, but I believe in actually doing the work of delving into the evidence.
 
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You would have to be [Unwelcome language removed] retarded to believe any of that.

Clinton Campaign starts screaming about Russia as a simple distraction every time their is a document dump showing what a complete [Unwelcome language removed] her and her campaign are.

It's sad. Want to ask questions about Russia? Start with Uranium One. Then watch how quickly the DNC and Clinton stop talking about the Russians.
What about Uranium One? There's just not much of a story there. A Canadian company owned mining rights to some uranium mines in the US. A Russian company bought the Canadian company. The transaction was approved by a long list of US and Canadian authorities. The US retains control over whether any of that uranium can be exported. So what?
 
I don't know if its rigged.

but Obama seems convinced that the Russians are behind the hacking of state election systems, as well as the DNC campaign server.

that should make us realize that the chance of a fixed election is "greater than zero"
 
Well, we do have the relentless GOP efforts to suppress likely Dem votes.

And we do have the Trump/Putin alliance that has resulted in Russian hacking of Dem computer networks (not GOP), along with fears that the alliance will also hack voting systems.

So there is some evidence of election rigging but, as always with Trump, he has it backwards.
GWB showed Republicans how to win and get 50+% of the popular vote and they have refused since 2004 to follow his model. The Reagan electorate does not exist anymore and never will again. They just can't seem to wrap their brains around that.
 
I don't know if its rigged.

but Obama seems convinced that the Russians are behind the hacking of state election systems, as well as the DNC campaign server.

that should make us realize that the chance of a fixed election is "greater than zero"

it's been determined that the Russians are behind the hacking.
 
No the election is not rigged.

However the main stream media is actively campaigning against Trump and that is concerning as the country moves forward.

the press is finally doing their job.......informing the electorate of the real Trump.
earlier, the TV medium gave Trump a free ride and millions of dollars of free positive publicity.
 
GWB showed Republicans how to win and get 50+% of the popular vote and they have refused since 2004 to follow his model. The Reagan electorate does not exist anymore and never will again. They just can't seem to wrap their brains around that.

GWB used social issues......against same sex marriage.....and now they've run out of these issues. banning abortion won't fly. forcing transgenders to use the toilet according to the sex on their birth certificate.....won't fly.
 
Well, we do have the relentless GOP efforts to suppress likely Dem votes.

And we do have the Trump/Putin alliance that has resulted in Russian hacking of Dem computer networks (not GOP), along with fears that the alliance will also hack voting systems.

So there is some evidence of election rigging but, as always with Trump, he has it backwards.

Trump is insulting (what a surprise!) the entire country......all 50 states.
states, and not the feds, run the elections.
 
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