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Is the Media Overplaying Covid "Increases" Right Now ?

protectionist

Governor
Looks like the answer to that may be YES, indeed. And how convenient just 2 weeks before the 2020 presidential election. It is readily apparent that the US media generally is, at the present, little more than an arm of the Joe Biden presidential campaign. Can we trust what we are hearing from them about Covid ? What you read here may answer that.

This morning on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, a graphic was posted up showing 85,085 "new cases" of coronavirus have shown up (I didn't catch what unit of time that is), with Wallace yammering that this is a bad number. The graphic also stated that hospitalizations are up in 38 states. The word "spiking" seems to be popular with media pundits right now. Sounds bad, huh ?

Right after this, I saw/heard these same figures being told on Meet the Press with Chuck Todd, and then on Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan. Well, this is what the anti-Trump media does so often. Let's take a closer look.

First of all, ALL ALONG over the past six months, there have continually been some states where Covid was spiking (rising), other states level, and some other states diminishing. But to talk only about the ones where it is going up, gives the impression that this is some much worse condition than before.

One must be careful when viewing graphs. Here's is one that looks like it is the change in the number of US hospitalizations of Covid. >>


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It looks like Covid cases are going up now , and have continually been going up since March. Now try reading the FINE PRINT. It states that the graph's figures are from 100 counties in the Emerging Infections Program states (10 states), + 4 Influenza Hospitalization Surveillance Project states.

So the graph covers 100 counties in 14 states (leaving 97% of US counties not included in this data).
So, now that you all have been thoroughly scared to death from the media reports (not having read the fine print), let's look at what the liberal OMISSION media is OMITTING, and NOT telling us.

First, I (not reading the fine print inititally) was puzzled by this graph (shown above) because of mistakenly thinking it applies to the whole country. I recently posted a US hospitalization graph from the CDC that showed hospitalizations were DOWN 37%. So how could they have always been going up ? Here is that graph >>


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Well, the fine print explains why these 2 graphs are contradictory.

So this graph which I posted is from last month, and only up to September 19. So could there have been a sudden "spiking" in Covid cases during this month of October ? I went to the CDC website again, and checked their up-to-date information on US NATIONWIDE Covid cases, and guess what. The new graph hardly looks a bit different than the September one. Here is THAT graph which shows the hospitalization rate (the gray line) actually going DOWN over the last 2 weeks (up to October 17) >>


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For the second day in a row, there were over 88,000 new US cases of Covid.
In Michigan on Saturday 10/24 (yesterday) there was the highest number of new cases since the pandemic began. It's not getting better. It's getting worse. I don't care that it probably won't kill me. I still don't want it, I don't want my kid, my wife or my dog to get it. I love my dog. My wife says I love the dog more than I love them. I told her it's because when I come home from work the dog acts like I'm the Beatles landing in New York in 1964.
 

protectionist

Governor
For the second day in a row, there were over 88,000 new US cases of Covid.
In Michigan on Saturday 10/24 (yesterday) there was the highest number of new cases since the pandemic began. It's not getting better. It's getting worse. I don't care that it probably won't kill me. I still don't want it, I don't want my kid, my wife or my dog to get it. I love my dog. My wife says I love the dog more than I love them. I told her it's because when I come home from work the dog acts like I'm the Beatles landing in New York in 1964.
Cool that your dog acts that way to you. I have a cat and she's very tuned in. Very dog-like, She comes trotting over to me when I call her, and sits and looks at me when I play my musical instruments. lol

I think you are overworrying about the virus, and I hope/think I can allay your fears somewhat. The 88,000 ALLEGED "new" cases of Covid are not that at all. We are all being scammed.

First, other than very old (90s and older) people with severe ailments, for most people with Covid, it's just like having the flu. Comes and goes. Like it was with Trump.

Then, of all the deaths being reported, only something like 1/20 of them are death FROM Covid. The rest are deaths of people who had a Covid infection, but it was something else that killed them, not the Covidvirus.

So why then would so many deaths not FROM Covid be reported as Covid deaths, one might ask. Easy answer. Because the CARES ACT set it up so that hospitals, doctors, clinics, etc, GET MONEY from the government if they have Covid deaths

Mountains of evidence exist (being covered up by the liberal OMISSION media) that only a small fraction of reported cases are really people who died FROM Covid. Other cases are cases of people WITH Covid, but didn't die FROM the infection. ALL sorts of deaths are being reported as Covid, so they an get more MONEY from the govt. they're pulling dead people out of car accidents, and calling hem Covid deaths.
 
Cool that your dog acts that way to you. I have a cat and she's very tuned in. Very dog-like, She comes trotting over to me when I call her, and sits and looks at me when I play my musical instruments. lol

I think you are overworrying about the virus, and I hope/think I can allay your fears somewhat. The 88,000 ALLEGED "new" cases of Covid are not that at all. We are all being scammed.

First, other than very old (90s and older) people with severe ailments, for most people with Covid, it's just like having the flu. Comes and goes. Like it was with Trump.

Then, of all the deaths being reported, only something like 1/20 of them are death FROM Covid. The rest are deaths of people who had a Covid infection, but it was something else that killed them, not the Covidvirus.

So why then would so many deaths not FROM Covid be reported as Covid deaths, one might ask. Easy answer. Because the CARES ACT set it up so that hospitals, doctors, clinics, etc, GET MONEY from the government if they have Covid deaths

Mountains of evidence exist (being covered up by the liberal OMISSION media) that only a small fraction of reported cases are really people who died FROM Covid. Other cases are cases of people WITH Covid, but didn't die FROM the infection. ALL sorts of deaths are being reported as Covid, so they an get more MONEY from the govt. they're pulling dead people out of car accidents, and calling hem Covid deaths.
There's a small cat living somewhere on my property that now comes in the garage when I am in there. So I have been feeding her....I thought she had quite an appetite until I went out there at night and saw two other cats, a raccoon and an opossum dining with her. Looks like I'm going to have to start buying the bigger bags of cat food.

Obviously they are socialists.... From each according to their ability to each according to his need.
 
For the second day in a row, there were over 88,000 new US cases of Covid.
In Michigan on Saturday 10/24 (yesterday) there was the highest number of new cases since the pandemic began. It's not getting better. It's getting worse. I don't care that it probably won't kill me. I still don't want it, I don't want my kid, my wife or my dog to get it. I love my dog. My wife says I love the dog more than I love them. I told her it's because when I come home from work the dog acts like I'm the Beatles landing in New York in 1964.
You should stay home. Under the bed, preferably.
 

protectionist

Governor
There's a small cat living somewhere on my property that now comes in the garage when I am in there. So I have been feeding her....I thought she had quite an appetite until I went out there at night and saw two other cats, a raccoon and an opossum dining with her. Looks like I'm going to have to start buying the bigger bags of cat food.

Obviously they are socialists.... From each according to their ability to each according to his need.
I have been feeding homeless cats for years around my apartment complex. My girlfriend and I have even trapped a lot of cats, and turned them in to the Humane Society, where they got fixed, to prevent too many kittens from being born homeless.
 
I have been feeding homeless cats for years around my apartment complex. My girlfriend and I have even trapped a lot of cats, and turned them in to the Humane Society, where they got fixed, to prevent too many kittens from being born homeless.
I'm trying to lure this one into at least living in the garage. She'll never make it through the winter here. Not to mention the joint's crawling with coyotes.
I keep my garage heated to 70 degrees ... even when it's 30 below. I'm done with winter. I don't even own a coat. It'd be a great place for a cat to get out of the cold.
 

protectionist

Governor
I'm trying to lure this one into at least living in the garage. She'll never make it through the winter here. Not to mention the joint's crawling with coyotes.
I keep my garage heated to 70 degrees ... even when it's 30 below. I'm done with winter. I don't even own a coat. It'd be a great place for a cat to get out of the cold.
Amazing they can even survive in cold like that. We don't get temperatures like that here in central Florida. Our big enemy is HEAT. Thankfully, now winter is approaching. Our good time of the year.
 

protectionist

Governor
Notice how middleview and Bugsy McGurk are coming near this thread ? Been up for 3 days now and no sign of them.

Maybe the coronavirus/economy scam is their best bet in bringing down Trump, as long as Democrats can hoodwink the public enough with all the misinformation they're pushing.
 

protectionist

Governor
Well, I'M here in this thread.

1. Reported Covid deaths are 30 times what actual deaths FROM Covid really are.

2. Covid deaths are not rising. They have been continually FALLING, since April, and have been REDUCED by 89%. at last count.


3. Coronavirus was created deliberately in lab in Wuhan, China, by CCP, with 3.8 Million grant from Obama and Dr Fauci.



4. Hospitals and clinics have been grossly, fraudulently overreporting Covid deaths, as a result of CARES ACT provision PAYING THEM, in correlation with the quantity of deaths reported.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
Looks like the answer to that may be YES, indeed. And how convenient just 2 weeks before the 2020 presidential election. It is readily apparent that the US media generally is, at the present, little more than an arm of the Joe Biden presidential campaign. Can we trust what we are hearing from them about Covid ? What you read here may answer that.

This morning on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, a graphic was posted up showing 85,085 "new cases" of coronavirus have shown up (I didn't catch what unit of time that is), with Wallace yammering that this is a bad number. The graphic also stated that hospitalizations are up in 38 states. The word "spiking" seems to be popular with media pundits right now. Sounds bad, huh ?

Right after this, I saw/heard these same figures being told on Meet the Press with Chuck Todd, and then on Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan. Well, this is what the anti-Trump media does so often. Let's take a closer look.

First of all, ALL ALONG over the past six months, there have continually been some states where Covid was spiking (rising), other states level, and some other states diminishing. But to talk only about the ones where it is going up, gives the impression that this is some much worse condition than before.

One must be careful when viewing graphs. Here's is one that looks like it is the change in the number of US hospitalizations of Covid. >>


1603643035048.png


It looks like Covid cases are going up now , and have continually been going up since March. Now try reading the FINE PRINT. It states that the graph's figures are from 100 counties in the Emerging Infections Program states (10 states), + 4 Influenza Hospitalization Surveillance Project states.

So the graph covers 100 counties in 14 states (leaving 97% of US counties not included in this data).
So, now that you all have been thoroughly scared to death from the media reports (not having read the fine print), let's look at what the liberal OMISSION media is OMITTING, and NOT telling us.

First, I (not reading the fine print inititally) was puzzled by this graph (shown above) because of mistakenly thinking it applies to the whole country. I recently posted a US hospitalization graph from the CDC that showed hospitalizations were DOWN 37%. So how could they have always been going up ? Here is that graph >>


1603644069032.png


Well, the fine print explains why these 2 graphs are contradictory.

So this graph which I posted is from last month, and only up to September 19. So could there have been a sudden "spiking" in Covid cases during this month of October ? I went to the CDC website again, and checked their up-to-date information on US NATIONWIDE Covid cases, and guess what. The new graph hardly looks a bit different than the September one. Here is THAT graph which shows the hospitalization rate (the gray line) actually going DOWN over the last 2 weeks (up to October 17) >>


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Trump is really browned off about COVID getting more ink than him.. Dang it!
 

protectionist

Governor
Trump is really browned off about COVID getting more ink than him.. Dang it!
He'd probably love the "ink", if it was truthful, and reported the way things really are.

True Covid death number is 10K at most. Get paid $$$$$ according to how many deaths you report ? Sheeesh! I'm surprised they're not reporting 300 times their actual amounts. If there's not enough human deaths to inflate, they could throw in deaths of cats, dogs, rabbits, monkeys, ants & mosquitos.

Democrats created Covid, and then used it to wreck the economy. Pelosi keeping it that way.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
He'd probably love the "ink", if it was truthful, and reported the way things really are.

True Covid death number is 10K at most. Get paid $$$$$ according to how many deaths you report ? Sheeesh! I'm surprised they're not reporting 300 times their actual amounts. If there's not enough human deaths to inflate, they could throw in deaths of cats, dogs, rabbits, monkeys, ants & mosquitos.

Democrats created Covid, and then used it to wreck the economy. Pelosi keeping it that way.
ROFL...
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Well, I'M here in this thread.

1. Reported Covid deaths are 30 times what actual deaths FROM Covid really are.

2. Covid deaths are not rising. They have been continually FALLING, since April, and have been REDUCED by 89%. at last count.


3. Coronavirus was created deliberately in lab in Wuhan, China, by CCP, with 3.8 Million grant from Obama and Dr Fauci.



4. Hospitals and clinics have been grossly, fraudulently overreporting Covid deaths, as a result of CARES ACT provision PAYING THEM, in correlation with the quantity of deaths reported.
Your claim is based on the idea that if someone had Covid, was in the hospital for Covid and died from a heart attack, that it was not due to Covid. My heart surgeon disagrees. Some of his patients who have died did not have heart disease before Covid hit...their hearts were damaged by the strain of Covid. You also seem to want to say that someone from Covid who then got pneumonia and died should not have been described as dying from Covid.

30 times, eh? I already posted a link to explain excess deaths. You have yet to explain why so many more people died this year than last year.

Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Well, I'M here in this thread.

1. Reported Covid deaths are 30 times what actual deaths FROM Covid really are.

2. Covid deaths are not rising. They have been continually FALLING, since April, and have been REDUCED by 89%. at last count.


3. Coronavirus was created deliberately in lab in Wuhan, China, by CCP, with 3.8 Million grant from Obama and Dr Fauci.



4. Hospitals and clinics have been grossly, fraudulently overreporting Covid deaths, as a result of CARES ACT provision PAYING THEM, in correlation with the quantity of deaths reported.
You've been listening to Trump again:

Over the course of the two grants approved by the NIH for EcoHealth Alliance, the Wuhan Institute received about $600,000 from the NIH, according to Robert Kessler, a spokesperson for EcoHealth Alliance. The funding was a fee for the collection and analysis of viral samples.

Controversy around the institute’s possible involvement in the origins of the coronavirus continue at the highest levels of the American and Chinese governments. There is no known evidence that funding directed by the U.S. government to the Wuhan Institute of Virology helped lead to the pandemic.

 

protectionist

Governor
Your claim is based on the idea that if someone had Covid, was in the hospital for Covid and died from a heart attack, that it was not due to Covid. My heart surgeon disagrees. Some of his patients who have died did not have heart disease before Covid hit...their hearts were damaged by the strain of Covid. You also seem to want to say that someone from Covid who then got pneumonia and died should not have been described as dying from Covid.

30 times, eh? I already posted a link to explain excess deaths. You have yet to explain why so many more people died this year than last year.

Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020
NO, that's NOT what my "claim" is based on, and it's not a "claim". Claims are things that are said without having been substantiated. And you "seem" to want to define what I am saying, instead of me defining my own words. Seem like you want to portray what I am saying, as what you would like to have it be portrayed as.

What I have said, is based on NUMEROUS REPORTS of death count escalation due to CARES ACT bad provisions, paying hospitals, doctors, and clinics in accordance with the QUANTITY of Covid deaths. The more deaths , the more money they get. This has already been mentioned by me in posts #s 3, 11, 13. 4th time now in this thread.

And there is no need to explain why so many more people died this year than last year. I already explained that we are not talking about how many people died from Covid. We are talking about how many people are REPORTED to have died from Covid, after the passage of the CARES ACT (as if you didn't know). Stop playing dumb, It doesn't become you.

And "estimated" is just another word for "reported" (in this case falsely, of course)
 
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middleview

President
Supporting Member
NO, that's NOT what my "claim" is based on, and it's not a "claim". Claims are things that are said without having been substantiated. And you "seem" to want to define what I am saying, instead of me defining my own words. Seem like you want to portray what I am saying, as what you would like to have it be portrayed as.

What I have said, is based on NUMEROUS REPORTS of death count escalation due to CARES ACT bad provisions, paying hospitals, doctors, and clinics in accordance with the QUANTITY of Covid deaths. The more deaths , the more money they get. This has already been mentioned by me in posts #s 3, 11, 13. 4th time now in this thread.

And there is no need to explain why so many more people died this year than last year. I already explained that we are not talking about how many people died from Covid. We are talking about how many people are REPORTED to have died from Covid, after the passage of the CARES ACT (as if you didn't know). Stop playing dumb, It doesn't become you.

Ans "estimated" is just another word for "reported" (in this case falsely, of course)
You just claimed that covid deaths amount to about 8,000 people. That is totally unsubstantiated....and would be laughed at by most knowledgeable people on both sides. There are nearly 300,000 more deaths so far this year than last. You argue that covid has not killed over 200,000 people...so what did they die of? Even Trump admits the figure of over 200,000 have died. Continuing to argue that they aren't dead is idiotic.

Where in the Cares act does it increase payments for Covid deaths?

 

protectionist

Governor
You just claimed that covid deaths amount to about 8,000 people. That is totally unsubstantiated....and would be laughed at by most knowledgeable people on both sides. There are nearly 300,000 more deaths so far this year than last. You argue that covid has not killed over 200,000 people...so what did they die of? Even Trump admits the figure of over 200,000 have died. Continuing to argue that they aren't dead is idiotic.

Where in the Cares act does it increase payments for Covid deaths?

I thought that I had already posted here, a plethora of source links regarding the CARES ACT and the grossly inflated, ridiculous, ASSININE claims of over 200,000 deaths FROM Covid, when they were just deaths WITH Covid, and many didn't have Covid at all, with the reporters just looking to GRAB THE BUCKS$$$. Gee, how unlikely, huh ?

Maybe it was in my other forum. I'll have to go back and find them and post them. If they are posted here, and you saw them, I'm going to rake you over the coals, boy.

Oh gee never heard of any such thing, huh ? Like there's not enough source link articles out there on all these number escalations, right ? Naw, just about 10,000 or so, that's all. :rolleyes: Pheeew! (high-pitched whistle; eyes rolling around in head)

OK I looked them up. Just as I thought. They were posted 2 days ago, (Monday) Post # 59 in >> https://www.politicaljack.com/threads/new-daily-record-in-us-covid-cases-trump-its-going-away.138033/page-3

Your claim is a laughingstock, as is the claim of over 210,000 US deaths. The true number is likely to be less than 1/30 of that, about 7,000, if that many.

I don't know why I bother giving you the facts and the real scoop, because you seem to want to spout out the media's propaganda BS.


The Florida Department of Health provided 13,920 COVID-19 death certificates to House staff members for analysis. Sixty percent of the death certificates had reporting errors and, the analysis said, did not adhere “to the national standards for completion of death certificates in general and guidelines for COVID-19 related deaths in particular.”

The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s guidelines include in the death total all deaths in which positive COVID-19 tests are known. Florida abides by the guidelines.

“Any ‘current’ count of COVID-19 deaths is more accurately described as the number of people with COVID-19 who died, rather than those who died from COVID-19,” the analysis said.



wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu


Florida House Speaker Questions COVID-19 Death Toll
Speaker Jose Oliva, R-Miami Lakes, says death rates may have been inflated due to incorrect data.
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Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield acknowledged Friday that the number of COVID-19 deaths could be inflated where someone who had the virus actually died from something else, but it was recorded as a COVID death.

At a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing, titled, “The Urgent Need for a National Plan to Contain the Coronavirus,” Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-Mo.) said he wished that Admiral Brett Giroir, assistant secretary for health at HHS, didn’t have to leave the hearing early, because the last time he appeared before the committee, they discussed the incentive for people in the medical field to claim someone died of COVID just to get more money.

CDC Director: ‘I Think You’re Correct’ About Inflated COVID Death Statistics

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield acknowledged Friday that the number of COVID-19 deaths could be inflated where someone who had the virus actually died from something else, but it was recorded as a COVID death.



townhall.com


Here's How NYC's Coronavirus Death Toll Is Being Inflated
Wow.


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www.abc15.com


Are deaths unrelated to COVID-19 being marked as COVID-19?
The claim: Arizonans who are suspected to have COVID-19 and have died in recent months have all been marked as COVID-19, even if they did not die from COVID-19.
www.abc15.com

www.abc15.com

IN ADDITION:

“We’ve unfortunately had six pure, solely coronavirus deaths — six out of 3.3 million people,” County Supervisor Jim Desmond said on the radio show Armstrong & Getty Extra Large Interviews., The San Diego Union-Tribune reported. San Diego County had reported roughly 190 deaths at the time — the current number is 200.

In short, Desmond was suggesting that while COVID-19 may have contributed to the 190 deaths, most of those deaths were due in part to previous, unrelated health concerns.

Indeed, the disease has proven most deadly for people with underlying health conditions, so it stands to reason that “pure, solely coronavirus deaths” would be the minority — perhaps even just 3.2 percent of the total recorded deaths, as Desmond suggested.

As of Friday afternoon, (May 2020) there have been 87,218 deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the U.S. If Desmond’s claim is accurate and if that 3.2 percent rate holds across the country, and discounting the death certificate inflation, that would mean there are only 2,891 “pure, solely coronavirus deaths” in the U.S.



pjmedia.com


Just How Inflated Are Coronavirus Death Counts, Exactly?
There have likely been fewer Coronavirus deaths than reported. "Pure, solely coronavirus deaths" may be only 3.2 percent of the total. The numbers are inflated.
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pjmedia.com

As of October 26, 2020, the CDC reports 210,545 US deaths WITH (not from) Covid. If the 3.2% number cited by Jim Desmond is correct, as it well may be, then that would give us a total of 6,737 “pure, solely coronavirus deaths” in the U.S.
 
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protectionist

Governor
You've been listening to Trump again:

Over the course of the two grants approved by the NIH for EcoHealth Alliance, the Wuhan Institute received about $600,000 from the NIH, according to Robert Kessler, a spokesperson for EcoHealth Alliance. The funding was a fee for the collection and analysis of viral samples.

Controversy around the institute’s possible involvement in the origins of the coronavirus continue at the highest levels of the American and Chinese governments. There is no known evidence that funding directed by the U.S. government to the Wuhan Institute of Virology helped lead to the pandemic.

You think I haven't seen these bullshit so-called "fact-checks" from leftist fake shit media like USA Today ? Oh, so you pop one in here, and that's supposed to refute what really happened, you think ? Are you feeling well ?

You've been listening to the fake news media again:
 
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