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Is this fascism?

middleview

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Trump has repeatedly called for prosecution of those he regards as his personal enemies.
He has attempted to obtain immunity from prosecution...really? A president who can commit crimes and not be accountable.
He has called for silencing media....ABC and CBS in particular. One for 60 minutes and the other for the debate.
His 2025 crew is working on gathering power to the White House. Patronage jobs for 50,000 federal employees...replace by those more loyal to him.

Look into the persecution of Andrew McCabe. Fired a few days before he could retire. A two year long prosecution that was eventually dropped. A lawsuit that paid McCabe back pay and legal costs. Revenge. That is why he was prosecuted.


Trump’s closing argument: full-throated fascism | Opinion (msn.com)
 
It’s certainly dictatorial. Trump has worked closely with fascists before, more on January 6 than any other time, and has run a more fascism-friendly campaign than any other major-party presidential candidate in the U.S., including 2016 or 2020 Trump. But dictatorial repression is not unique to fascism, nor anre the ultraright values shared by the fascists and Trump, and Trump is in many ways more the Establishment conservative than the fascist upstart. The Republican Party actually has a fascist wing led by Ron DeSantis and Lauren Boebert which, while cozy with Trump, occasionally takes a critical position toward him from his right.
 
Trump vs Harris: Autocracy vs Oligarchy?

Chris Hedges on how decaying empires deteriorate to a "democratic choice" between autocracy and oligarchy:

https://scheerpost.com/2021/09/27/americas-fate-oligarchy-or-autocracy/

"In decayed democracies the battle for power is always, as Aristotle points out, between these two despotic forces, although if there is a serious threat of socialism or left-wing radicalism, as was true in the Weimar Republic, the oligarchs forge an uncomfortable alliance with the autocrat and his henchmen to crush it.

"This is why the donor class and hierarchy of the Democratic Party sabotaged the candidacy of Bernie Sanders, although on the political spectrum Sanders is not a radical, and publicly stated, as the former CEO of Goldman Sachs Lloyd Blankfein did, that should Sanders be the nominee they would support Trump.

"The alliance between the oligarchs and the autocrats gives birth to fascism, in our case a Christianized fascism."
 
georgephillip said:
Trump vs Harris: Autocracy vs Oligarchy?

Chris Hedges on how decaying empires deteriorate to a "democratic choice" between autocracy and oligarchy:

https://scheerpost.com/2021/09/27/americas-fate-oligarchy-or-autocracy/

"In decayed democracies the battle for power is always, as Aristotle points out, between these two despotic forces, although if there is a serious threat of socialism or left-wing radicalism, as was true in the Weimar Republic, the oligarchs forge an uncomfortable alliance with the autocrat and his henchmen to crush it.

"This is why the donor class and hierarchy of the Democratic Party sabotaged the candidacy of Bernie Sanders, although on the political spectrum Sanders is not a radical, and publicly stated, as the former CEO of Goldman Sachs Lloyd Blankfein did, that should Sanders be the nominee they would support Trump.

"The alliance between the oligarchs and the autocrats gives birth to fascism, in our case a Christianized fascism."
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Can you address any of the points in the top post?
 
middleview said:
Can you address any of the points in the top post?
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"The competing systems of power in the United States are divided between oligarchy and autocracy.

"There are no other alternatives.

"Neither are pleasant.

"Each have peculiar and distasteful characteristics.

"Each pays lip service to the fictions of democracy and constitutional rights.

"And each exacerbates the widening social and political divide and the potential for violent conflict."

https://scheerpost.com/2021/09/27/americas-fate-oligarchy-or-autocracy/

Trump is the aspiring autocrat fascism requires while Harris marries the opposing oligarchs of corporate Republicans and Democrats.

All of them are rich parasites fighting over what Freud called the "narcissism of minor differences but united of all the major structural (economic) issues like defense spending..." on the genocide in Gaza, for example.
 
georgephillip said:
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"The competing systems of power in the United States are divided between oligarchy and autocracy.

"There are no other alternatives.

"Neither are pleasant.

"Each have peculiar and distasteful characteristics.

"Each pays lip service to the fictions of democracy and constitutional rights.

"And each exacerbates the widening social and political divide and the potential for violent conflict."

https://scheerpost.com/2021/09/27/americas-fate-oligarchy-or-autocracy/

Trump is the aspiring autocrat fascism requires while Harris marries the opposing oligarchs of corporate Republicans and Democrats.

All of them are rich parasites fighting over what Freud called the "narcissism of minor differences but united of all the major structural (economic) issues like defense spending..." on the genocide in Gaza, for example.
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Your boilerplate rhetoric is boring.

Show evidence of Harris is owned by oligarchs.
 
middleview said:
Your boilerplate rhetoric is boring.

Show evidence of Harris is owned by oligarchs.
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How many Democratic primaries did Kamala Harris win?
How many Democratic donors convinced Biden to withdraw?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...oe-biden-election-donors-abigail-disney-pause

"Abigail Disney, Barry Diller and Diane von Fürstenberg are among the big names withholding funds till Biden steps aside"

Harris would not be running for POTUS today without oligarchic support.
Do you think those donors expect nothing in return?
 
georgephillip said:
How many Democratic primaries did Kamala Harris win?
How many Democratic donors convinced Biden to withdraw?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...oe-biden-election-donors-abigail-disney-pause

"Abigail Disney, Barry Diller and Diane von Fürstenberg are among the big names withholding funds till Biden steps aside"

Harris would not be running for POTUS today without oligarchic support.
Do you think those donors expect nothing in return?
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Trump has gotten $250 million from three people..

Most of her money is from small donors.
 
middleview said:
Trump has gotten $250 million from three people..

Most of her money is from small donors.
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Trump and Harris serve the same class of rich parasites whose lavish lifestyles have never existed without war, debt, and fascism:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereks...er-than-trump-buffett-gates-weigh-in-updated/

"Forbes found at least 100 billionaires in the corners of either former President Donald Trump or Vice President Kamala Harris—with many more backing Harris—but unlike the world’s richest man Elon Musk, who stumps extensively on Trump’s behalf, many have elected to watch from the sidelines, like Warren Buffett and Mark Zuckerberg."
 
georgephillip said:
Trump and Harris serve the same class of rich parasites whose lavish lifestyles have never existed without war, debt, and fascism:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereks...er-than-trump-buffett-gates-weigh-in-updated/

"Forbes found at least 100 billionaires in the corners of either former President Donald Trump or Vice President Kamala Harris—with many more backing Harris—but unlike the world’s richest man Elon Musk, who stumps extensively on Trump’s behalf, many have elected to watch from the sidelines, like Warren Buffett and Mark Zuckerberg."
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According to you...they are rich parasites...some are, some are not. Being rich doesn't make them all suspect.
 
The simple answer is "no."

You call them "his personal enemies" but what they really are is enemies of democracy - people who will bend, no fabricate laws to charge him with crimes in an attempt to blunt the power of his anti-big government agenda.

He's not looking for immunity from crimes like murder or rape, but rathe these, well, trumped up" charges that no other American, let alone POTUS, would ever be charged with.

He has called those media companies what they are - fake news outlets - which act as the propaganda ministers of the Democratic Party. Clearly, they party of censorship is the Democrats.

They are working to dismantle the permanent bureaucracy - the entity that is strangling our middle and working class, while it enriches the elites who control it.

None of that is in the least bit "fascist." In fact, it could legitimately called "anti-fascist."
 
georgephillip said:
Unless private fortunes don't exist without war and debt.
Can you think of any period since the ascendency of capitalism when such fortunes were acquired without war and debt.
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So, in your opinion, all wars are intended to benefit rich capitalists?

The American revolution actually bankrupted many of the nations founders. They believed in a cause and put their fortunes at risk.

Why did the US enter WWII? Oh, yeah....the Japanese used our Pacific fleet for target practice.

Why did Putin decide to invade Ukraine? Did he think he'd gain financially?

There are many people who created private fortunes without having any interests in military spending....or in making money from a war.
 
Raoul_Luke said:
The simple answer is "no."

You call them "his personal enemies" but what they really are is enemies of democracy - people who will bend, no fabricate laws to charge him with crimes in an attempt to blunt the power of his anti-big government agenda.

He's not looking for immunity from crimes like murder or rape, but rathe these, well, trumped up" charges that no other American, let alone POTUS, would ever be charged with.

He has called those media companies what they are - fake news outlets - which act as the propaganda ministers of the Democratic Party. Clearly, they party of censorship is the Democrats.

They are working to dismantle the permanent bureaucracy - the entity that is strangling our middle and working class, while it enriches the elites who control it.

None of that is in the least bit "fascist." In fact, it could legitimately called "anti-fascist."
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So you are willing to go along with Trump's use of the military to round up his political opponents by calling them the enemy of democracy....

What laws did they fabricate? The espionage act was passed in 1917. It clearly defines a crime in intentionally taking classified information from secure locations and intending to keep it. Trump did that. You offer excuses...like the claim that the information wasn't really all that critical. Then why didn't Trump declassify the data when he had that power? He had a year to return the documents and refused.

The riot on January 6 would not have happened if Trump had not called for a rally and actually paid quite a bit of money to make it happen. It would not have happened if Trump had not told the mob to march on the capitol. He lied about the election and told the mob they needed to prevent the count of electors. He told them to fight like hell....and they did.

He is looking for total immunity for crimes committed as president. You dismiss those crimes as "trumped up". In your opinion...asking the leader of another country to investigate his opponent in return for the sale of weapons is not a crime. I think it is.
In your opinion inciting a riot is not a crime....I think it is.

Ordering active duty military to act as his own personal enforcers would be a violation of Posse Comitatus.

I think his personal businesses getting money from foreign sources, even as he makes decisions related to what they want done is very obviously corrupt.
 
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Raoul_Luke said:
The simple answer is "no."

You call them "his personal enemies" but what they really are is enemies of democracy - people who will bend, no fabricate laws to charge him with crimes in an attempt to blunt the power of his anti-big government agenda.

He's not looking for immunity from crimes like murder or rape, but rathe these, well, trumped up" charges that no other American, let alone POTUS, would ever be charged with.

He has called those media companies what they are - fake news outlets - which act as the propaganda ministers of the Democratic Party. Clearly, they party of censorship is the Democrats.

They are working to dismantle the permanent bureaucracy - the entity that is strangling our middle and working class, while it enriches the elites who control it.

None of that is in the least bit "fascist." In fact, it could legitimately called "anti-fascist."
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No country can possibly allow coup attempts or espionage to go unpunished. Doing so means ceding control of the state in an obvious and immediate way.
 
middleview said:
So, in your opinion, all wars are intended to benefit rich capitalists?

The American revolution actually bankrupted many of the nations founders. They believed in a cause and put their fortunes at risk.

Why did the US enter WWII? Oh, yeah....the Japanese used our Pacific fleet for target practice.

Why did Putin decide to invade Ukraine? Did he think he'd gain financially?

There are many people who created private fortunes without having any interests in military spending....or in making money from a war.
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Wars are about politics which is about money and who has and doesn’t have it. The elite interests in the American Revolution involved lowering the tax burden for merchants, getting control over imports/exports out of the hands of British capitalists and into those of American capitalists, and ending British interference with expansion into Indian territory and slave-plantation production. The imperialist rivalry between the U.S. and Japan was over control of East Asian markets (above all that of China) and resources. Russia invaded largely to jump-start a moribund industry (since Russian industry today, like American industry today, requires war to clear the glut of goods on the market and make production profitable), control oil and gas pipeline routing, undercut the climate-sanity movement thereby keeping oil prices profitable, and gain control of prime agricultural territory.
 
middleview said:
So you are willing to go along with Trump's use of the military to round up his political opponents by calling them the enemy of democracy....

What laws did they fabricate? The espionage act was passed in 1917. It clearly defines a crime in intentionally taking classified information from secure locations and intending to keep it. Trump did that. You offer excuses...like the claim that the information wasn't really all that critical. Then why didn't Trump declassify the data when he had that power? He had a year to return the documents and refused.

The riot on January 6 would not have happened if Trump had not called for a rally and actually paid quite a bit of money to make it happen. It would not have happened if Trump had not told the mob to march on the capitol. He lied about the election and told the mob they needed to prevent the count of electors. He told them to fight like hell....and they did.

He is looking for total immunity for crimes committed as president. You dismiss those crimes as "trumped up". In your opinion...asking the leader of another country to investigate his opponent in return for the sale of weapons is not a crime. I think it is.
In your opinion inciting a riot is not a crime....I think it is.

Ordering active duty military to act as his own personal enforcers would be a violation of Posse Comitatus.

I think his personal businesses getting money from foreign sources, even as he makes decisions related to what they want done is very obviously corrupt.
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