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Isn't This Rather Odd

Considering the fact that there have been so many scandals, cover ups, and endless illegal activity not to mention the countless lies. How is it that every single time this stuff happens those on the left dismiss all of it as made up, contrived, or some kind of right wing plan to try to make Obama or Hillary look bad? I mean we all heard Obama tell everyone that if you liked your health care plan and your Doctor you could keep them, we all heard him say that his health care plan was going to save each of us twenty five hundred dollars. We all watched as Louis Lerner pleaded the fifth in the IRS scandal that targeted conservatives and Tea Party members. We all saw as our veterans were put on long waiting lists at our VA hospitals and many died because they could not get the care they had earned. We watched in astonishment as this new Obama Care web site was rolled out and it was a total disaster. Then we have Benghazi, which we now know everybody knew what had really happened and yet for over two weeks all these folks just continued to lie to us all. What about Hillary and the 32,000 deleted e-mails and the pay for play episode surrounding her foundation. I guess those on the left somehow think that either these things just never happened or that by ignoring them they will just go away. No issue to those on the left is really worth looking into to find out what is really going on.

I mean when I look at some of these folks like Obama, Hillary, Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett, Debbie Wassermann Schultz and Bill Ayers I see a collection of people who are not only very dishonest and corrupt, but also without any integrity what so ever. But if you listen to those on the left, these are the finest people on the planet, they never said that, it was taken out of context, or they just flat out lied to make it seem as if, or they miss spoke. Just like Susan Rice did on seven Sunday morning news shows when she lied about Benghazi. What I find especially odd is that when you ask those on the left about any of these things you are going to be attacked or accused and told that you are a hater and a racist. They never seem to get around to dealing with the facts or the real issues and providing real answers.

Look at reality here, we have an 18 trillion dollar national debt, 59 million Americans on food stamps, 69 million Americans living in poverty, 95 million Americans out of work. Yet if you listen to those on the left they would have you believe that things have never been better. They point to the stock market, that we all know is being artificially supported and sustained by the Fed. We get reports of screwed up unemployment numbers and delusional assessments concerning the war on terror. Is everybody in this country naive enough to believe all this bullshit? Fact is that almost all of this stuff is completely false and very miss leading. Yet the left would have you believe that we have fine leadership and nobody has made any mistakes and everything is on the up and up. I mean what is truly odd is that these people actually seem to believe themselves. I mean this is actually incredible when you look at the big picture. I watch in literal amazement as the left never ever takes any responsibility for anything, but they seem to be very good at blaming just about anything or anybody else for the failures and catastrophic screw ups. I find all of this to be very odd, indeed.

My question is this, when are we finally going to demand honesty and integrity? What happened to the promise of transparency? When is anybody going to be held accountable? When are these people going to be called out for their lies and dishonesty? I think these are very reasonable questions that deserve truthful answers. Stonewalling and lying will only work for so long. At some point the left will need to finally understand that this progressive socialist agenda is being manipulated by a group of very questionable people who are less than honest and more concerned with self perpetuation than doing their real jobs. I do not know how all of you feel but it is becoming increasingly difficult to trust or believe anybody on the left. It all seems very odd.
 
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I honestly did not expect a response from anybody on the left in here and we all know why. They cannot answer the questions I asked truthfully and honestly. This is what is so difficult to understand about why they continue to support those who are even lying to them. I mean everyone of these people I mentioned has been caught red handed in lies, scandal or corruption there is no way you can deny this as it is public record. If this is all true, then their mind set has to be that it either just does not matter or whatever they do is of no consequence therefore there is no need to explain anything. This borders on insanity, when real events occur that effect real people's lives someone should be held accountable and made to answer for what they said or did. This does not happen on the left, and the lies, corruption and scandals just seem to continue in a never ending cascade that we all see and yet do nothing about. The left knows this so the behavior just continues and their answer is always the same, attack and accuse, then destroy, never address the issue or concern, just destroy the messenger.
 
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I mean when I look at some of these folks like Obama, Hillary, Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett, Debbie Wassermann Schultz and Bill Ayers I see a collection of people who are not only very dishonest and corrupt, but also without any integrity what so ever. But if you listen to those on the left, these are the finest people on the planet, they never said that, it was taken out of context, or they just flat out lied to make it seem as if, or they miss spoke. Just like Susan Rice did on seven Sunday morning news shows when she lied about Benghazi.
I agree with your assessment of all the politicians you mention above, but I'm wondering if you believe Republicans like Dubya, Condi Rice, Jeb Bush, and Sarah Palin have any more integrity than Democrats? Both major parties serve the same 1% of US voters, so naturally both lie regularly to advance the class interests of their base. There's nothing odd about that history, and there's no way to change it by "choosing" between Republican OR Democrat in the voting booth, imho.
 
honesty is in the eye of the beholder.

try this poll experiement. "which of the following statements is true?"

A - "Obama ended the bush recession and is healing the nation"

B - "Republicans want to restore slavery"

C - "Democrats want to outlaw christianity"

D - "The Jews control everything in America"


my guess is that you'd get shockingly high numbers of people saying "true" to each of these 4 statements, depending on your polling sample.
 
I totally agree with with your post. However, the people you mentioned as being republican are not in power or they have a very marginal effect on just about anything. They too should be held accountable as should any politician. But I am afraid you are spot on, we are not going to change the roll tide of dishonesty and corruption that exists on both sides of the aisle. But I wonder just how long this nation can with stand all this stuff and not collapse or be diminished to a point where we become an oligarchy or a dictator run socialist state.
 
honesty is in the eye of the beholder.

try this poll experiement. "which of the following statements is true?"

A - "Obama ended the bush recession and is healing the nation"

B - "Republicans want to restore slavery"

C - "Democrats want to outlaw christianity"

D - "The Jews control everything in America"


my guess is that you'd get shockingly high numbers of people saying "true" to each of these 4 statements, depending on your polling sample.


All of these statements are obviously false but you make an excellent point. Americans have a very parallax view of what is really going on. I do not know if this is because they have been told so many lies or if it is because they are just plain stupid.
 
I totally agree with with your post. However, the people you mentioned as being republican are not in power or they have a very marginal effect on just about anything. They too should be held accountable as should any politician. But I am afraid you are spot on, we are not going to change the roll tide of dishonesty and corruption that exists on both sides of the aisle. But I wonder just how long this nation can with stand all this stuff and not collapse or be diminished to a point where we become an oligarchy or a dictator run socialist state.

We may already be there.

We need a serious do-over.
 
I totally agree with with your post. However, the people you mentioned as being republican are not in power or they have a very marginal effect on just about anything. They too should be held accountable as should any politician. But I am afraid you are spot on, we are not going to change the roll tide of dishonesty and corruption that exists on both sides of the aisle. But I wonder just how long this nation can with stand all this stuff and not collapse or be diminished to a point where we become an oligarchy or a dictator run socialist state.
I suspect the answer to your question depends on when the US experiences its Next New Pearl Harbor event; on the same day as the Boston Marathon bombing, Iraq experienced multiple bombings related to their upcoming election. Should car bombs start going off outside US polling places, oligarchs and dictators won't be surprised.
 
Look at reality here, we have an 18 trillion dollar national debt, 59 million Americans on food stamps, 69 million Americans living in poverty, 95 million Americans out of work. Yet if you listen to those on the left they would have you believe that things have never been better.

This is what they want. The more people on the dole, the more easily they can control them and keep themselves in office.
 
I am afraid you may be right. Question is how do we do a do over?
In theory, the internet and the social networking it enables could convince millions of US voters to select their House and Senate representatives from established Third Party candidates instead of making a knee-jerk vote for either Republican OR Democrat candidates. It's an old idea called the "anti-vote" whose time may finally have arrived.
 
I am afraid you may be right. Question is how do we do a do over?

We need to set boundaries. As it is everything is wide open as to how big corporations are able to get, there are no caps as to how much the top execs of major corps. can be paid in relation to it's other employees. As for the other end of the spectrum there should be places, easily accessible, where at least one nutritious meal a day should be available for children. The school lunches are obviously not providing that and even the parents, many of whom have not been well schooled in home economics, are not providing that.

In short, there should be some sort of limits as to just how rich the rich can get since it's generally off the backs of everyone else, and there should also be limits as to just how poor the poor can be in this country. While that may sound very socialist, it's not really. There can still be very wide differences in each group but there needs to be bottoms and tops.
 
Considering the fact that there have been so many scandals, cover ups, and endless illegal activity not to mention the countless lies. How is it that every single time this stuff happens those on the left dismiss all of it as made up, contrived, or some kind of right wing plan to try to make Obama or Hillary look bad? I mean we all heard Obama tell everyone that if you liked your health care plan and your Doctor you could keep them, we all heard him say that his health care plan was going to save each of us twenty five hundred dollars. We all watched as Louis Lerner pleaded the fifth in the IRS scandal that targeted conservatives and Tea Party members. We all saw as our veterans were put on long waiting lists at our VA hospitals and many died because they could not get the care they had earned. We watched in astonishment as this new Obama Care web site was rolled out and it was a total disaster. Then we have Benghazi, which we now know everybody knew what had really happened and yet for over two weeks all these folks just continued to lie to us all. What about Hillary and the 32,000 deleted e-mails and the pay for play episode surrounding her foundation. I guess those on the left somehow think that either these things just never happened or that by ignoring them they will just go away. No issue to those on the left is really worth looking into to find out what is really going on.

I mean when I look at some of these folks like Obama, Hillary, Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett, Debbie Wassermann Schultz and Bill Ayers I see a collection of people who are not only very dishonest and corrupt, but also without any integrity what so ever. But if you listen to those on the left, these are the finest people on the planet, they never said that, it was taken out of context, or they just flat out lied to make it seem as if, or they miss spoke. Just like Susan Rice did on seven Sunday morning news shows when she lied about Benghazi. What I find especially odd is that when you ask those on the left about any of these things you are going to be attacked or accused and told that you are a hater and a racist. They never seem to get around to dealing with the facts or the real issues and providing real answers.

Look at reality here, we have an 18 trillion dollar national debt, 59 million Americans on food stamps, 69 million Americans living in poverty, 95 million Americans out of work. Yet if you listen to those on the left they would have you believe that things have never been better. They point to the stock market, that we all know is being artificially supported and sustained by the Fed. We get reports of screwed up unemployment numbers and delusional assessments concerning the war on terror. Is everybody in this country naive enough to believe all this bullshit? Fact is that almost all of this stuff is completely false and very miss leading. Yet the left would have you believe that we have fine leadership and nobody has made any mistakes and everything is on the up and up. I mean what is truly odd is that these people actually seem to believe themselves. I mean this is actually incredible when you look at the big picture. I watch in literal amazement as the left never ever takes any responsibility for anything, but they seem to be very good at blaming just about anything or anybody else for the failures and catastrophic screw ups. I find all of this to be very odd, indeed.

My question is this, when are we finally going to demand honesty and integrity? What happened to the promise of transparency? When is anybody going to be held accountable? When are these people going to be called out for their lies and dishonesty? I think these are very reasonable questions that deserve truthful answers. Stonewalling and lying will only work for so long. At some point the left will need to finally understand that this progressive socialist agenda is being manipulated by a group of very questionable people who are less than honest and more concerned with self perpetuation than doing their real jobs. I do not know how all of you feel but it is becoming increasingly difficult to trust or believe anybody on the left. It all seems very odd.

Just about everything you've said here, has been said about every majority American political party, during every American political era, since America's founding. Yet, America endures as the greatest nation on earth - ever.

This is not necessarily to pass any particular qualitative judgment as to any good things or bad things. But, it IS to suggest that we should be wary of anyone pitching that any specific era or party is somehow unique.
 
But, it IS to suggest that we should be wary of anyone pitching that any specific era or party is somehow unique

True, FS. Every old scandal becomes new again especially if one party has nothing to run on except an old scandal. :rolleyes:
 
Just about everything you've said here, has been said about every majority American political party, during every American political era, since America's founding. Yet, America endures as the greatest nation on earth - ever.

This is not necessarily to pass any particular qualitative judgment as to any good things or bad things. But, it IS to suggest that we should be wary of anyone pitching that any specific era or party is somehow unique.

While you seem to think that America is doing just fine, it's not. What is said during election campaigns about opposing candidates and the opposing party should not just be taken as campaign rhetoric. Negative things being said are certainly not unique, but what about the things that are already known to be true?

There needs to be repercussions for these people when their corruption is proven (sometimes by their own words), along with punishments when they actually break laws which seems to happen quite a bit. It's not a good thing to just excuse everything and go ahead and allow them to run for offices where they will be able to employ even more of the same.

It's not a time to be 'forgiving' to the point of ignoring the actual things they've done. That of course applies to whatever side of the 'aisle' they're on.

If we would start holding the powerful people accountable the way 'regular' folks have to be, we could go a long way toward righting this ship. People who ignore their transgressions and vote for them anyway should be made to feel completely embarrassed.
 
While you seem to think that America is doing just fine, it's not. What is said during election campaigns about opposing candidates and the opposing party should not just be taken as campaign rhetoric. Negative things being said are certainly not unique, but what about the things that are already known to be true?

There needs to be repercussions for these people when their corruption is proven (sometimes by their own words), along with punishments when they actually break laws which seems to happen quite a bit. It's not a good thing to just excuse everything and go ahead and allow them to run for offices where they will be able to employ even more of the same.

It's not a time to be 'forgiving' to the point of ignoring the actual things they've done. That of course applies to whatever side of the 'aisle' they're on.

If we would start holding the powerful people accountable the way 'regular' folks have to be, we could go a long way toward righting this ship. People who ignore their transgressions and vote for them anyway should be made to feel completely embarrassed.


God bless you and your feelings.
 
I totally agree with with your post. However, the people you mentioned as being republican are not in power or they have a very marginal effect on just about anything. They too should be held accountable as should any politician. But I am afraid you are spot on, we are not going to change the roll tide of dishonesty and corruption that exists on both sides of the aisle. But I wonder just how long this nation can with stand all this stuff and not collapse or be diminished to a point where we become an oligarchy or a dictator run socialist state.

What power does Bill Ayers have?

Is it just that your attention span is in the milliseconds or are you just that dishonest. I think you are simply not willing to bend on your partisan stance that all things bad come from democrats and republicans can be forgiven....even for the loss of 4,500 American lives for an idiotic invasion to rid the world of WMDs that didn't exist...or the crash of a booming economy....Yeah....it is all Obama's fault.
 
Just about everything you've said here, has been said about every majority American political party, during every American political era, since America's founding. Yet, America endures as the greatest nation on earth - ever.
That's true about America's rich history of political satire; however, there's one thing that separates the political climate in the US today from all previous epochs; the influence that major corporations exert over both major parties. Where's Tom Paine when we really need him?
http://www.ssa.gov/history/tpaine3.html
 
I disagree (imagine that!). As just one for instance, what about the "railroad barons" back in the 19th? I think of similar when people get to talking about how "corrupt" our guvmint of today is. I insist upon the opposite. Our current "systems" are LESS corrupt than ever, thanks to our ever-evolving sensibilities and transparancies.

That's not to DEFEND corruption mind you. It's simply to say that "it's getting worse" is the wrong basis from which to consider the issue.
 
I disagree (imagine that!). As just one for instance, what about the "railroad barons" back in the 19th? I think of similar when people get to talking about how "corrupt" our guvmint of today is. I insist upon the opposite. Our current "systems" are LESS corrupt than ever, thanks to our ever-evolving sensibilities and transparancies.
I hope you are right about less corruption today than a century ago, but I'm far from convinced. While Americans certainly have greater access to information today, I would point out we lack credible institutions or leaders. A century ago Americans who questioned capitalism had an alternative institution, socialism, in which they organized. That institution produced leaders capable of winning 3%-5% of the popular vote for president. Unless Bernie Sanders manages to sideline Hillary next year, there's nothing today to rival what Eugene V. Debs accomplished a hundred years ago.
"In prison, Debs read the works of Karl Kautsky, a chief expositor of Karl Marx, and learned about socialism.[2][3] Upon his release, he launched his career as the nation's most prominent Socialist in the first decades of the 20th century. He ran as the Socialist Party's candidate for the presidency in1900 (earning 0.63% of the popular vote), 1904 (2.98%), 1908 (2.83%),1912 (5.99%), and 1920 (3.41%), the last time from a prison cell."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
 
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