It's funny how people look at things!

[888888]

The right showed no regard for the rights of anyone when Bush was president, but now they clamor about how Obama used Drones to go after our enemies.
Kind of like when Bush sent several bomb onto a few building they suspected Saddam of being at, that killed many civilians but never got Saddam, and not a word about how could he do that.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/09/iraq.julianborger

 

[fairsheet]

The right showed no regard for the rights of anyone when Bush was president, but now they clamor about how Obama used Drones to go after our enemies.
Kind of like when Bush sent several bomb onto a few building they suspected Saddam of being at, that killed many civilians but never got Saddam, and not a word about how could he do that.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/09/iraq.julianborger

Funny thing though....ALL the polling suggests that "the people" as a whole, support what they know of our current droning regimes. BUT...when broken down by party affiliation, GOPs are more inclined to support them than are Dems and Indies.

 

[GordonGecko]

Wait until we get a Republican President....and they suddenly "amazingly"....stop worrying about deficits and debt and are fine with "tax cuts first...spending cuts?...eh...no rush"

 

[as seen on tv]

senator 8ball - i'm certainly not detecting anyone on THIS board (left, right or middle) in outrage over drone attacks. if you have examples, please share.

i'm unimpressed by your cut and past of a guardian (UK) article from a decade ago. it's irrelevant to the case you are trying to make about US political thought these days.

Although I am not aligned with either political party, i can point you towards some posts I made supporting the use of drones to attack terrorists (native or foreign born) . . . I think the title might have been "you're just as dead - whether its a gun or a drone".

and almost everyone - across the spectrum - was quick to post thanks when Obama sent seal team 6 to finish off Osama. again, whether you use a seal, a drone, or an exploding cigar, he's just as dead.

 

[Dino]

Did Bush ever say he could drop bombs on Americans on American soil without due process?

That kinda strikes people who care at all about "rights".

You??

 

[fairsheet]

Actually, quite a few posters from a lefter perspective, have taken issue with the current droning regimes. And curiously, a surprising amount of the Fox/GOPian media seems to see that as an avenue for generating a little Obamahate. Actual GOPs seem to be having none of it. AND...the GOP is dreaming if it thinks it presents a viable alternative to those lefter posters!

 

[Corruptbuddha]

The right showed no regard for the rights of anyone when Bush was president, but now they clamor about how Obama used Drones to go after our enemies.
Kind of like when Bush sent several bomb onto a few building they suspected Saddam of being at, that killed many civilians but never got Saddam, and not a word about how could he do that.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/09/iraq.julianborger

Actually, your very first line suffers from a HUGE deficit of fact as MANY on 'the right' spoke out about Bush's 'Patriot Act' and the loss of liberty it represented.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/conservative-voices-against-usa-patriot-act

Hell, even the ACLU admits this.

My question is to you...did you rant and rave about that same act when Bush and the Republicans passed it? if so, did you give Obama the same venom for renewing it and strengthening it?

What did you say about the NDAA?

Most of 'the left' had no problem with it once Obama got his mitts on it.

 

[Arkady]

senator 8ball - i'm certainly not detecting anyone on THIS board (left, right or middle) in outrage over drone attacks. if you have examples, please share.

i'm unimpressed by your cut and past of a guardian (UK) article from a decade ago. it's irrelevant to the case you are trying to make about US political thought these days.

Although I am not aligned with either political party, i can point you towards some posts I made supporting the use of drones to attack terrorists (native or foreign born) . . . I think the title might have been "you're just as dead - whether its a gun or a drone".

and almost everyone - across the spectrum - was quick to post thanks when Obama sent seal team 6 to finish off Osama. again, whether you use a seal, a drone, or an exploding cigar, he's just as dead.

I haven't objected to drone strikes in general, but I have objected to killings outside of war zones, without due process, regardless of the means used. I'm not alone, either. Several of us on the left have made this case repeatedly.

 

[fairsheet]

Actually...truth and evidence be told, NEITHER Li'l George's "Patriot Act" nor Pres. Obama's "Patriot Act II", have represented any notable loss of liberty, at least for anyone we oughta be giving a rat's ass about. On the OTHER hand, they HAVE had a profound positive impact on our ability to disrupt the communications and finances of our almost universally acknowledged "enemies".

At the outset, I confess to being a little "nervous" when Li'l George pushed his Patriot Act through, although I wasn't what you'd call an admanant opponent. Frankly, I didn't trust "George Justice" to employ it entirely for good. But, they proved me wrong. So, if I could trust Li'l George with it, I sure as hell can trust Pres. Obama.

 

[marvin martian]

The right showed no regard for the rights of anyone when Bush was president, but now they clamor about how Obama used Drones to go after our enemies.
Kind of like when Bush sent several bomb onto a few building they suspected Saddam of being at, that killed many civilians but never got Saddam, and not a word about how could he do that.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/09/iraq.julianborger

Funny indeed. If you'll notice, the left seems totally at peace with things like indefinite detention of "terror" suspects without a trial or legal representation, gun running of "assault weapons" into Mexico for the benefit of the drug cartels, drone strikes inside and outside war zones, no-knock raids by federal law enforcement on American families and now, suddenly, genetically modified food (good "environmentalists" that they are).

Not to mention, the left, once the noble upholders of "human rights" and especially "women's rights" (LOL!), are all but silent on things like spousal and child rape, "honor killings", female genital mutilation and burqas, those lovely domestic activities as carried out by practicioners of the "religion of peace" so ardently defended by the left.

 

[888888]

Can't read again can you guys. The only thing I pointed out was how people think it's a bad thing for drones killing people who haven't been convicted of a crime by Obama as being bad thing. But Bush order the death of up to 100 civilians eating dinner, or working in their offices, in an attempt to get Saddam, and Nada a word.
The rights I am talking about is the right not to be killed as collateral damage.

The patriot act is another thing, and I don't have a big problem with it myself, if ran properly, and that is the big problem, is it run right since it's so secret.

MM you do live in a world of your own making don't you! Put it in print and it becomes true to a righty, then they tear it apart as to how anyone can be what they say they are.

 

[jammer]

senator 8ball - i'm certainly not detecting anyone on THIS board (left, right or middle) in outrage over drone attacks. if you have examples, please share.

i'm unimpressed by your cut and past of a guardian (UK) article from a decade ago. it's irrelevant to the case you are trying to make about US political thought these days.

Although I am not aligned with either political party, i can point you towards some posts I made supporting the use of drones to attack terrorists (native or foreign born) . . . I think the title might have been "you're just as dead - whether its a gun or a drone".

and almost everyone - across the spectrum - was quick to post thanks when Obama sent seal team 6 to finish off Osama. again, whether you use a seal, a drone, or an exploding cigar, he's just as dead.

"Although I am not aligned with either political party"

That's the funniest thing I've read all day and one of the biggest lies.

 

[jammer]

Did Bush ever say he could drop bombs on Americans on American soil without due process?

That kinda strikes people who care at all about "rights".

You??

When was the last time Americans were killed by US troops on American soil?

Nixon and Ohio Governor Jim Rhodes (R) had four students at Kent State murdered in clod blood by National Guard troops on May 4, 1970.

Showed us all just how much republicons felt about protectiing the right to free speech and assembly.

 

[Dino]

Going to address the subject of my post?

Because I won't debate the facts at Kent State, occurring before I was born. Nonsensical "rebuttal".

 

[888888]

Did Bush ever say he could drop bombs on Americans on American soil without due process?

That kinda strikes people who care at all about "rights".

You??

So what you are saying is that people who are not Americans can be killed at anytime a president wants too?
And if any person was planning an attack on Americans on American soil you would say we can't kill them if they are Americans?

But you must be saying it's OK to kill anyone that gets in the way of what you want to accomplish if they are not Americans or not on American soil.
Bush wanted to get Saddam, and even though there were up to a hundred people who would be killed for doing nothing more than being in the wrong place that Bush thought Saddam was eating dinner at.

 

[Dino]

As Americans we are afforded rights. One of these is due process in criminal prosecution.

Stop me when I get to a concept familiar to you.

We don't drop bombs on Americans for conspiracy to commit murder, do we? Would you support such an action?
Or is your nose so far up Obama's ass that you don't know the difference anymore?

 

[EatTheRich]

Actually...truth and evidence be told, NEITHER Li'l George's "Patriot Act" nor Pres. Obama's "Patriot Act II", have represented any notable loss of liberty, at least for anyone we oughta be giving a rat's ass about. On the OTHER hand, they HAVE had a profound positive impact on our ability to disrupt the communications and finances of our almost universally acknowledged "enemies".

So you don't think we oughta be giving a rat's ass about the Quakers and other antiwar protesters who were victims of surveillance based on their constitutionally protected peaceful political activity? Nor for the Puerto Rican strikers who had their strike broken under the Patriot Act?

Funny indeed. If you'll notice, the left seems totally at peace with things like indefinite detention of "terror" suspects without a trial or legal representation, gun running of "assault weapons" into Mexico for the benefit of the drug cartels, drone strikes inside and outside war zones, no-knock raids by federal law enforcement on American families and now, suddenly, genetically modified food (good "environmentalists" that they are).

Not to mention, the left, once the noble upholders of "human rights" and especially "women's rights" (LOL!), are all but silent on things like spousal and child rape, "honor killings", female genital mutilation and burqas, those lovely domestic activities as carried out by practicioners of the "religion of peace" so ardently defended by the left.

I'm not OK at all with any of these things, except genetically modified food.

 

[888888]

To save people's lifes, yes I would say the govt has the right to kill anyone who is in the mist of carrying out a terrorist attack, even if they are on American soil. Their actions count a lot more than their thoughts.

 

[Dino]

Nobody said they shouldn't kill anyone "in the midst of carrying out a terrorist attack". That wasn't the question in the hearing, and is not a source of controversy.

Didn't you even hear where the issue came from and Holder's answers?

 

[888888]

Isn't it funny how people like you think it's OK to change the topic to what you want it to be while complaining about it when someone dares to go off topic on one of your's.