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It's never enough...

Raoul_Luke

"Wait, it's all Marxism?" "Always has been."
And will never be "enough" for Ukraine to win without NATO boots on the ground:

Western military aid is reaching Ukrainian soldiers on the front line, but not at a scale that enables Ukraine to challenge Russia's artillery advantage.

Ukrainian troops in Vovchansk, in Ukraine's northeastern Kharkiv region, told The Telegraph that ammunition had started to reach their lines after the long US aid hiatus ended, but that they were still being outmatched by Russia.

"If we use 10 shells, they send 50 back," one artillery gunner told The Telegraph.

"Even if we receive the shells, our artillery barrels are old and worn out."


Western weapons are getting to Ukraine's front lines. Soldiers say it's not enough yet to tip the balance. (msn.com)

Reminds me of one of my favorite songs:

Metric - Gold Guns Girls - Live (Live Music Video) (youtube.com)

Is it ever gonna be enough, is it ever gonna be enough...

Apparently not.

Meanwhile, someone (Ukraine? If so to what purpose?) is taking our Russia's early warning missile defense systems:

In the past two weeks Ukraine has taken credit for at least two separate strikes on peculiar targets – Russian “over the horizon” radar stations using drones with an impressive flight range of at least 1200 miles. Until this point, long range attacks into Russian territory have been exceedingly rare. So, why these specifics radar stations?

The Voronezh-DM stations were positioned outside the city of Orsk and the region of Krasnodar (Armavir); far away from the front lines in Ukraine. The strikes are being hailed as the furthest Ukraine has attacked into the heart of Russia, but the corporate media has ignored the wider implications of the situation.

It is likely that the drones used were of US or European origin. NATO has (until the past couple of days) enforced tight restrictions on how their weapons can be used by Ukraine. Long range drones and cruise missiles hitting targets deep in Russia invites major blowback, including the threat of a nuclear response.

That said, it’s not so much the weapons used that concerns me, it’s the specific targets that Ukraine supposedly chose.

Russia’s over-the-horizon radar systems have a detection range of at least 6000 miles (the real range is classified) and scan specifically for high altitude ballistic missiles. They are not designed to detect lower flying medium range cruise missiles (ATACMS) and drones. Meaning, the two stations destroyed by Ukrainian weapons are meant to act as an early warning system for nuclear attack.

The Ukrainians supposedly defied NATO restrictions, not once, but twice, to target radar systems that have nothing to do with them. In fact, the arrays sit in permanently fixed positions and neither array was actually aimed at Ukraine, they were aimed to the North and Southwest of Russia. The Armavir radar was constructed in 2009 to close a gap created by the loss of radars in Ukraine, and was also meant to replace an older Daryal radar in Gabala. Interestingly, Armavir and Orsk “search fans” watch the skies primarily above the Middle East, including Israel, and a large chunk of Europe including Switzerland.



Is this the start of WWIII? Sure looks like it to me. I'm sure the lefties (and neocons) will be all like "nothing to see here, move along" but those of us who are immune to propaganda are starting to get really concerned with where this "little war for Ukraine's sovereignty" is actually headed.
 
And will never be "enough" for Ukraine to win without NATO boots on the ground:

Western military aid is reaching Ukrainian soldiers on the front line, but not at a scale that enables Ukraine to challenge Russia's artillery advantage.

Ukrainian troops in Vovchansk, in Ukraine's northeastern Kharkiv region, told The Telegraph that ammunition had started to reach their lines after the long US aid hiatus ended, but that they were still being outmatched by Russia.

"If we use 10 shells, they send 50 back," one artillery gunner told The Telegraph.

"Even if we receive the shells, our artillery barrels are old and worn out."


Western weapons are getting to Ukraine's front lines. Soldiers say it's not enough yet to tip the balance. (msn.com)

Reminds me of one of my favorite songs:

Metric - Gold Guns Girls - Live (Live Music Video) (youtube.com)

Is it ever gonna be enough, is it ever gonna be enough...

Apparently not.

Meanwhile, someone (Ukraine? If so to what purpose?) is taking our Russia's early warning missile defense systems:

In the past two weeks Ukraine has taken credit for at least two separate strikes on peculiar targets – Russian “over the horizon” radar stations using drones with an impressive flight range of at least 1200 miles. Until this point, long range attacks into Russian territory have been exceedingly rare. So, why these specifics radar stations?

The Voronezh-DM stations were positioned outside the city of Orsk and the region of Krasnodar (Armavir); far away from the front lines in Ukraine. The strikes are being hailed as the furthest Ukraine has attacked into the heart of Russia, but the corporate media has ignored the wider implications of the situation.

It is likely that the drones used were of US or European origin. NATO has (until the past couple of days) enforced tight restrictions on how their weapons can be used by Ukraine. Long range drones and cruise missiles hitting targets deep in Russia invites major blowback, including the threat of a nuclear response.

That said, it’s not so much the weapons used that concerns me, it’s the specific targets that Ukraine supposedly chose.

Russia’s over-the-horizon radar systems have a detection range of at least 6000 miles (the real range is classified) and scan specifically for high altitude ballistic missiles. They are not designed to detect lower flying medium range cruise missiles (ATACMS) and drones. Meaning, the two stations destroyed by Ukrainian weapons are meant to act as an early warning system for nuclear attack.

The Ukrainians supposedly defied NATO restrictions, not once, but twice, to target radar systems that have nothing to do with them. In fact, the arrays sit in permanently fixed positions and neither array was actually aimed at Ukraine, they were aimed to the North and Southwest of Russia. The Armavir radar was constructed in 2009 to close a gap created by the loss of radars in Ukraine, and was also meant to replace an older Daryal radar in Gabala. Interestingly, Armavir and Orsk “search fans” watch the skies primarily above the Middle East, including Israel, and a large chunk of Europe including Switzerland.



Is this the start of WWIII? Sure looks like it to me. I'm sure the lefties (and neocons) will be all like "nothing to see here, move along" but those of us who are immune to propaganda are starting to get really concerned with where this "little war for Ukraine's sovereignty" is actually headed.
Sweet. You’ve received YET ANOTHER Middleview laugh emoji. That guy sure has a full life…
 
And will never be "enough" for Ukraine to win without NATO boots on the ground:

Western military aid is reaching Ukrainian soldiers on the front line, but not at a scale that enables Ukraine to challenge Russia's artillery advantage.

Ukrainian troops in Vovchansk, in Ukraine's northeastern Kharkiv region, told The Telegraph that ammunition had started to reach their lines after the long US aid hiatus ended, but that they were still being outmatched by Russia.

"If we use 10 shells, they send 50 back," one artillery gunner told The Telegraph.

"Even if we receive the shells, our artillery barrels are old and worn out."


Western weapons are getting to Ukraine's front lines. Soldiers say it's not enough yet to tip the balance. (msn.com)

Reminds me of one of my favorite songs:

Metric - Gold Guns Girls - Live (Live Music Video) (youtube.com)

Is it ever gonna be enough, is it ever gonna be enough...

Apparently not.

Meanwhile, someone (Ukraine? If so to what purpose?) is taking our Russia's early warning missile defense systems:

In the past two weeks Ukraine has taken credit for at least two separate strikes on peculiar targets – Russian “over the horizon” radar stations using drones with an impressive flight range of at least 1200 miles. Until this point, long range attacks into Russian territory have been exceedingly rare. So, why these specifics radar stations?

The Voronezh-DM stations were positioned outside the city of Orsk and the region of Krasnodar (Armavir); far away from the front lines in Ukraine. The strikes are being hailed as the furthest Ukraine has attacked into the heart of Russia, but the corporate media has ignored the wider implications of the situation.

It is likely that the drones used were of US or European origin. NATO has (until the past couple of days) enforced tight restrictions on how their weapons can be used by Ukraine. Long range drones and cruise missiles hitting targets deep in Russia invites major blowback, including the threat of a nuclear response.

That said, it’s not so much the weapons used that concerns me, it’s the specific targets that Ukraine supposedly chose.

Russia’s over-the-horizon radar systems have a detection range of at least 6000 miles (the real range is classified) and scan specifically for high altitude ballistic missiles. They are not designed to detect lower flying medium range cruise missiles (ATACMS) and drones. Meaning, the two stations destroyed by Ukrainian weapons are meant to act as an early warning system for nuclear attack.

The Ukrainians supposedly defied NATO restrictions, not once, but twice, to target radar systems that have nothing to do with them. In fact, the arrays sit in permanently fixed positions and neither array was actually aimed at Ukraine, they were aimed to the North and Southwest of Russia. The Armavir radar was constructed in 2009 to close a gap created by the loss of radars in Ukraine, and was also meant to replace an older Daryal radar in Gabala. Interestingly, Armavir and Orsk “search fans” watch the skies primarily above the Middle East, including Israel, and a large chunk of Europe including Switzerland.



Is this the start of WWIII? Sure looks like it to me. I'm sure the lefties (and neocons) will be all like "nothing to see here, move along" but those of us who are immune to propaganda are starting to get really concerned with where this "little war for Ukraine's sovereignty" is actually headed.
You quote Tyler "Zero" Durden and claim to be immune to propaganda? Alt-Market is just as reliable as Mr. Durden is...

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Alt-Market is a financial news and opinion blog that focuses on alternative financial news. Alt-Market provides real financial news, combined with conspiracy stories about the Illuminati and WW3, etc. They also have a listing of friendly websites that they support. On this list, you find Infowars, Natural News, Zero Hedge, and Activist Post, which we rate as conspiracy sites.
 
You quote Tyler "Zero" Durden and claim to be immune to propaganda? Alt-Market is just as reliable as Mr. Durden is...

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Alt-Market is a financial news and opinion blog that focuses on alternative financial news. Alt-Market provides real financial news, combined with conspiracy stories about the Illuminati and WW3, etc. They also have a listing of friendly websites that they support. On this list, you find Infowars, Natural News, Zero Hedge, and Activist Post, which we rate as conspiracy sites.

These Trump cultists like articles that are likely written by Putin’s propagandists.
 
Sweet. You’ve received YET ANOTHER Middleview laugh emoji. That guy sure has a full life…

And yet another off topic post from Rick, missing by miles the bullshit from Tyler and Alt-Market.

So where did Brandon Smith get his information? He says the drones used were probably US or European. And where did that come from?
He thinks the radars would only detect high altitude missiles and not cruise missiles or drones...again, where did his expertise in Russian radar come from?

While the radar can certainly detect ballistic missiles, it can also detect an object closer to the ground and larger than a football at 8,000 Km....so aircraft flying over Kyiv would become targets. It was fair game.

He whines about Ukraine striking deeply into Russia for the first time....well, I guess he doesn't count the attack in April on the oil refinery 800 miles from the border.

Ukraine Attacks Russian Radar at Record Distance: Kyiv (msn.com)
 
You can tell when Russia starts getting scared Ukraine’s victory is imminent because we start seeing a lot of stories like this.
 
You quote Tyler "Zero" Durden and claim to be immune to propaganda? Alt-Market is just as reliable as Mr. Durden is...

View attachment 78351

Alt-Market is a financial news and opinion blog that focuses on alternative financial news. Alt-Market provides real financial news, combined with conspiracy stories about the Illuminati and WW3, etc. They also have a listing of friendly websites that they support. On this list, you find Infowars, Natural News, Zero Hedge, and Activist Post, which we rate as conspiracy sites.

It was the second reported attack on Russian radars key to Moscow's long-range detection of aircraft and ballistic missile threats in just a few days. Kyiv is continuing to "target Russian long-range early warning radar systems" deep within internationally recognized Russian territory, the ISW think tank said.

Satellite Images Reveal Aftermath of Strike on Russian Voronezh-M Station (msn.com)

Oops! You ready to discuss it now? Whining about where the facts are presented is, well, just being a whiner...
 
It was the second reported attack on Russian radars key to Moscow's long-range detection of aircraft and ballistic missile threats in just a few days. Kyiv is continuing to "target Russian long-range early warning radar systems" deep within internationally recognized Russian territory, the ISW think tank said.

Satellite Images Reveal Aftermath of Strike on Russian Voronezh-M Station (msn.com)

Oops! You ready to discuss it now? Whining about where the facts are presented is, well, just being a whiner...
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And will never be "enough" for Ukraine to win without NATO boots on the ground:

Western military aid is reaching Ukrainian soldiers on the front line, but not at a scale that enables Ukraine to challenge Russia's artillery advantage.

Ukrainian troops in Vovchansk, in Ukraine's northeastern Kharkiv region, told The Telegraph that ammunition had started to reach their lines after the long US aid hiatus ended, but that they were still being outmatched by Russia.

"If we use 10 shells, they send 50 back," one artillery gunner told The Telegraph.

"Even if we receive the shells, our artillery barrels are old and worn out."


Western weapons are getting to Ukraine's front lines. Soldiers say it's not enough yet to tip the balance. (msn.com)

Reminds me of one of my favorite songs:

Metric - Gold Guns Girls - Live (Live Music Video) (youtube.com)

Is it ever gonna be enough, is it ever gonna be enough...

Apparently not.

Meanwhile, someone (Ukraine? If so to what purpose?) is taking our Russia's early warning missile defense systems:

In the past two weeks Ukraine has taken credit for at least two separate strikes on peculiar targets – Russian “over the horizon” radar stations using drones with an impressive flight range of at least 1200 miles. Until this point, long range attacks into Russian territory have been exceedingly rare. So, why these specifics radar stations?

The Voronezh-DM stations were positioned outside the city of Orsk and the region of Krasnodar (Armavir); far away from the front lines in Ukraine. The strikes are being hailed as the furthest Ukraine has attacked into the heart of Russia, but the corporate media has ignored the wider implications of the situation.

It is likely that the drones used were of US or European origin. NATO has (until the past couple of days) enforced tight restrictions on how their weapons can be used by Ukraine. Long range drones and cruise missiles hitting targets deep in Russia invites major blowback, including the threat of a nuclear response.

That said, it’s not so much the weapons used that concerns me, it’s the specific targets that Ukraine supposedly chose.

Russia’s over-the-horizon radar systems have a detection range of at least 6000 miles (the real range is classified) and scan specifically for high altitude ballistic missiles. They are not designed to detect lower flying medium range cruise missiles (ATACMS) and drones. Meaning, the two stations destroyed by Ukrainian weapons are meant to act as an early warning system for nuclear attack.

The Ukrainians supposedly defied NATO restrictions, not once, but twice, to target radar systems that have nothing to do with them. In fact, the arrays sit in permanently fixed positions and neither array was actually aimed at Ukraine, they were aimed to the North and Southwest of Russia. The Armavir radar was constructed in 2009 to close a gap created by the loss of radars in Ukraine, and was also meant to replace an older Daryal radar in Gabala. Interestingly, Armavir and Orsk “search fans” watch the skies primarily above the Middle East, including Israel, and a large chunk of Europe including Switzerland.



Is this the start of WWIII? Sure looks like it to me. I'm sure the lefties (and neocons) will be all like "nothing to see here, move along" but those of us who are immune to propaganda are starting to get really concerned with where this "little war for Ukraine's sovereignty" is actually headed.

I wonder if the "October Surprise" will be us "golf of Tonkin" ourselves into this for real prior to the election. Enjoy the Mushroom clouds and THANK GOD we got rid of those "mean tweets".
 

Do you have any evidence he was wrong when he said they are not pointed at Ukraine? Regardless of whether or not they can detect lower altitude missiles and drones, they are in fact part of Russia's early warning system for intercontinental ballistic missiles. Do you think Putin will not consider their destruction an "existential threat?"

Russia launches missile attacks on Ukraine, targets western oblasts (msn.com)

Looks like the answer to that is yes.
 
Do you have any evidence he was wrong when he said they are not pointed at Ukraine? Regardless of whether or not they can detect lower altitude missiles and drones, they are in fact part of Russia's early warning system for intercontinental ballistic missiles. Do you think Putin will not consider their destruction an "existential threat?"

Russia launches missile attacks on Ukraine, targets western oblasts (msn.com)

Looks like the answer to that is yes.
WTF! How in hell with the author of the article know what they were pointed at?

Should I care what Putin thinks about military targets inside of Russia being attacked...he certainly isn't too concerned about the targets he destroys in Ukraine.
If he wants to preserve his military infrastructure maybe he should think about pulling his troops out of Ukraine...
 
WTF! How in hell with the author of the article know what they were pointed at?

Should I care what Putin thinks about military targets inside of Russia being attacked...he certainly isn't too concerned about the targets he destroys in Ukraine.
If he wants to preserve his military infrastructure maybe he should think about pulling his troops out of Ukraine...

You should care because he is blowing Ukraine to smithereens. And, as their troops clearly point out, what we are giving them "isn't enough."
 
And will never be "enough" for Ukraine to win without NATO boots on the ground:

Western military aid is reaching Ukrainian soldiers on the front line, but not at a scale that enables Ukraine to challenge Russia's artillery advantage.

Ukrainian troops in Vovchansk, in Ukraine's northeastern Kharkiv region, told The Telegraph that ammunition had started to reach their lines after the long US aid hiatus ended, but that they were still being outmatched by Russia.

"If we use 10 shells, they send 50 back," one artillery gunner told The Telegraph.

"Even if we receive the shells, our artillery barrels are old and worn out."


Western weapons are getting to Ukraine's front lines. Soldiers say it's not enough yet to tip the balance. (msn.com)

Reminds me of one of my favorite songs:

Metric - Gold Guns Girls - Live (Live Music Video) (youtube.com)

Is it ever gonna be enough, is it ever gonna be enough...

Apparently not.

Meanwhile, someone (Ukraine? If so to what purpose?) is taking our Russia's early warning missile defense systems:

In the past two weeks Ukraine has taken credit for at least two separate strikes on peculiar targets – Russian “over the horizon” radar stations using drones with an impressive flight range of at least 1200 miles. Until this point, long range attacks into Russian territory have been exceedingly rare. So, why these specifics radar stations?

The Voronezh-DM stations were positioned outside the city of Orsk and the region of Krasnodar (Armavir); far away from the front lines in Ukraine. The strikes are being hailed as the furthest Ukraine has attacked into the heart of Russia, but the corporate media has ignored the wider implications of the situation.

It is likely that the drones used were of US or European origin. NATO has (until the past couple of days) enforced tight restrictions on how their weapons can be used by Ukraine. Long range drones and cruise missiles hitting targets deep in Russia invites major blowback, including the threat of a nuclear response.

That said, it’s not so much the weapons used that concerns me, it’s the specific targets that Ukraine supposedly chose.

Russia’s over-the-horizon radar systems have a detection range of at least 6000 miles (the real range is classified) and scan specifically for high altitude ballistic missiles. They are not designed to detect lower flying medium range cruise missiles (ATACMS) and drones. Meaning, the two stations destroyed by Ukrainian weapons are meant to act as an early warning system for nuclear attack.

The Ukrainians supposedly defied NATO restrictions, not once, but twice, to target radar systems that have nothing to do with them. In fact, the arrays sit in permanently fixed positions and neither array was actually aimed at Ukraine, they were aimed to the North and Southwest of Russia. The Armavir radar was constructed in 2009 to close a gap created by the loss of radars in Ukraine, and was also meant to replace an older Daryal radar in Gabala. Interestingly, Armavir and Orsk “search fans” watch the skies primarily above the Middle East, including Israel, and a large chunk of Europe including Switzerland.



Is this the start of WWIII? Sure looks like it to me. I'm sure the lefties (and neocons) will be all like "nothing to see here, move along" but those of us who are immune to propaganda are starting to get really concerned with where this "little war for Ukraine's sovereignty" is actually headed.
Truth. ..
Ukraine holds... inflicting massive casualties.

Be gone putinite.

 
Truth. ..
Ukraine holds... inflicting massive casualties.

Be gone putinite.

Seriously? Now YOU are calling folks who disagree “Putin supporters” and “Putinite” as well, Phil? Has Bugsy been that compelling?

I get it that you have cultural/familial ‘skin in the game’. I’m a first gen American myself and have lot of direct, close family in Denmark and England. I also get it that Putin is a profoundly evil dirtbag. Folks can still disagree on American and/or NATO involvement. It doesn’t make them ‘Russian assets’ or Putin loyalists.

There’s no hope for this forum.
 
Seriously? Now YOU are calling folks who disagree “Putin supporters” and “Putinite” as well, Phil? Has Bugsy been that compelling?

I get it that you have cultural/familial ‘skin in the game’. I’m a first gen American myself and have lot of direct, close family in Denmark and England. I also get it that Putin is a profoundly evil dirtbag. Folks can still disagree on American and/or NATO involvement. It doesn’t make them ‘Russian assets’ or Putin loyalists.

There’s no hope for this forum.

Aww.. don't give me that bugsy bullshit. The tp is peddling zero hedge propaganda regarding false flags etc.. and you're going to babble at me about disagree?

The Ukrainian people are slowly but surely being annihilated. And there are people peddling Russian propaganda, and favoring their ultimate destruction, including people here.

You want hope for this forum, then why don't you take a stand against people peddling bullshit like the stuff in this top post.

There's no false flag, there's no plot to launch a third world war, there's just shit bag water carriers that love pedaling all these alternate theorems to the detriment of those suffering, like those in Ukraine, who on no basis invited this death and destruction.

Quite to the contrary, they were factually... In the absolute.. invaded by their neighbor Russia.
 
Seriously? Now YOU are calling folks who disagree “Putin supporters” and “Putinite” as well, Phil? Has Bugsy been that compelling?

I get it that you have cultural/familial ‘skin in the game’. I’m a first gen American myself and have lot of direct, close family in Denmark and England. I also get it that Putin is a profoundly evil dirtbag. Folks can still disagree on American and/or NATO involvement. It doesn’t make them ‘Russian assets’ or Putin loyalists.

There’s no hope for this forum.

Pretty lame claiming that I form the opinions of others. Juvenile, even.

On the actual issue, you can’t convincingly say you oppose Putin while also opposing assistance to Ukraine. Your alleged opposition to Putin is measured by your actions.
 
You should care because he is blowing Ukraine to smithereens. And, as their troops clearly point out, what we are giving them "isn't enough."
I do care...and I want the US and EU to send more weapons and ammo to Ukraine....The republicans did a lot of damage to Ukrainian defense by holding up aid.
 
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