Jameis Winston benched for swearing – rape accusation insufficient.

[as seen on tv]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/18/sports/ncaafootball/jameis-winston-suspended-for-first-half-against-clemson.html?_r=0

Jameis Winston: Heisman winner, star Florida QB, future #1 draft pick, and (hopefully) not a future wife or kid beater, will be sitting on the bench this weekend.

Don’t fret, its just for the first half hour. THEN he can play.

His punishment is for using a curse word on campus. For real. Check out the link, above. (question - how do they punish you for swearing on campus if you're not a football god? make you line up 30 minutes ahead of time to enter the stadium?)

If you wanted to know how so many violent thugs end up in NFL uniforms and become instant millionaires, look no further than this.

Hey “Moe’s”, State Farm Insurance, and all the other sponsors of the Florida State Seminoles – we appreciate you standing by your team.

 

[UPNYA2]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/18/sports/ncaafootball/jameis-winston-suspended-for-first-half-against-clemson.html?_r=0

Jameis Winston: Heisman winner, star Florida QB, future #1 draft pick, and (hopefully) not a future wife or kid beater, will be sitting on the bench this weekend.

Don’t fret, its just for the first half hour. THEN he can play.

His punishment is for using a curse word on campus. For real. Check out the link, above. (question - how do they punish you for swearing on campus if you're not a football god? make you line up 30 minutes ahead of time to enter the stadium?)

If you wanted to know how so many violent thugs end up in NFL uniforms and become instant millionaires, look no further than this.

Hey “Moe’s”, State Farm Insurance, and all the other sponsors of the Florida State Seminoles – we appreciate you standing by your team.

Well, as much as i agree we need to do all we can to eliminate such barbaric actions, crimes, like wife or kid beatings I feel obliged to also caution others on how we seem to be willing to sacrifice everything we stand for in this quest.

At least he is being punished for something everyone, himself included, all agree that he did wrong. I cannot in goon conscience fight to have someone punished for something they may be accused of having done, I will always be on the side willing to wait for one to be proven guilty of a deed before I want them punished.

But not all are like me, nor do I expect them to be.

For example, how exactly SHOULD one who is accused of sexually assaulting a fellow student, but prosecutors decline to file charges, be punished?

Is this demand for punishment prior to sometimes so much as being charged with, quite often prior to actually being convicted of, a crime something we would all see a value in were the involved parties NOT, "a football god"?

That is to say, is seeking to punish a teacher accused of rape who is never actually charged with rape something we would all like to see happen?

What if a fire fighter says he hit his wife, is guilty as hell because he SAYS he did it, would we as a country all demand he not only loose his current job but also be banned from ever again providing his services in exchange for money to live on anywhere in this country or Canada?

If we read about a community organizer indicted for child abuse, being we all want to put an end to that crime would we all demand he be punished prior to a trial?

We ARE doing these things right now.

And that is a problem for me. Not punishing the crimes, I am all for punishing crimes. I just don't think think that trying to show people we care so by demanding punishments prior to any actual charges, evidence, trials, convictions or confessions, is the best way to teach our young people the other values we used to embrace........Such as one being presumed innocent until PROVEN otherwise.

But again, I understand how not all values are for everyone, it may just be me who worries about this.

And if so, I'm ok with that.

 

[Dino]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/18/sports/ncaafootball/jameis-winston-suspended-for-first-half-against-clemson.html?_r=0

Jameis Winston: Heisman winner, star Florida QB, future #1 draft pick, and (hopefully) not a future wife or kid beater, will be sitting on the bench this weekend.

Don’t fret, its just for the first half hour. THEN he can play.

His punishment is for using a curse word on campus. For real. Check out the link, above. (question - how do they punish you for swearing on campus if you're not a football god? make you line up 30 minutes ahead of time to enter the stadium?)

If you wanted to know how so many violent thugs end up in NFL uniforms and become instant millionaires, look no further than this.

Hey “Moe’s”, State Farm Insurance, and all the other sponsors of the Florida State Seminoles – we appreciate you standing by your team.

Real nice guy, with a great message apparently.

Yes, we coddle these athletes and some actually turn out ok, somehow.

 

[connieb]

Well, as much as i agree we need to do all we can to eliminate such barbaric actions, crimes, like wife or kid beatings I feel obliged to also caution others on how we seem to be willing to sacrifice everything we stand for in this quest.

At least he is being punished for something everyone, himself included, all agree that he did wrong. I cannot in goon conscience fight to have someone punished for something they may be accused of having done, I will always be on the side willing to wait for one to be proven guilty of a deed before I want them punished.

But not all are like me, nor do I expect them to be.

For example, how exactly SHOULD one who is accused of sexually assaulting a fellow student, but prosecutors decline to file charges, be punished?

Is this demand for punishment prior to sometimes so much as being charged with, quite often prior to actually being convicted of, a crime something we would all see a value in were the involved parties NOT, "a football god"?

That is to say, is seeking to punish a teacher accused of rape who is never actually charged with rape something we would all like to see happen?

What if a fire fighter says he hit his wife, is guilty as hell because he SAYS he did it, would we as a country all demand he not only loose his current job but also be banned from ever again providing his services in exchange for money to live on anywhere in this country or Canada?

If we read about a community organizer indicted for child abuse, being we all want to put an end to that crime would we all demand he be punished prior to a trial?

We ARE doing these things right now.

And that is a problem for me. Not punishing the crimes, I am all for punishing crimes. I just don't think think that trying to show people we care so by demanding punishments prior to any actual charges, evidence, trials, convictions or confessions, is the best way to teach our young people the other values we used to embrace........Such as one being presumed innocent until PROVEN otherwise.

But again, I understand how not all values are for everyone, it may just be me who worries about this.

And if so, I'm ok with that.

I agree Up. It is disconcerting what we are doing in this country more and more. WE are acting like a lynch mob. You decide who is guilty - persecute them and hang them without a trial without due process, etc. Except at least now the hanging is only figureative and surrounds more like destroying a persons' life, the lives fo their family members, their chance to earn a living, etc.

We USED to think this was worng. This country was founded on the concepts of innocent until proven guilt - you have a right to a fair trial, etc. How can you even get a fair trail in this country when everyone from Maine to Texas and Florida to Alaska has heard of you? We are getting out of control.

Don't get me wrong, this kid - from what has been said about him, is likely bad news. But, personally, I think we have to let a person actually demonstrate and be prosecuted as bad news before as a society we judge them. Sure, we can talk about it. Sure, I think this kid based on what I have read is guilty as hell of the sexual assualt and that it was covered up by his School. BUT - i don't feel the need to hassle and harrange the school based on my opinion until they punish him. I don't feel the need to go harrangue sponsors of teams or the association. At what point did we start thinking our opinions should matter that much and or that we should interfere with another persons living their lives. To me it is a decidedly unamerican attitude.

 

[as seen on tv]

Well, as much as i agree we need to do all we can to eliminate such barbaric actions, crimes, like wife or kid beatings I feel obliged to also caution others on how we seem to be willing to sacrifice everything we stand for in this quest.

At least he is being punished for something everyone, himself included, all agree that he did wrong. I cannot in goon conscience fight to have someone punished for something they may be accused of having done, I will always be on the side willing to wait for one to be proven guilty of a deed before I want them punished.

But not all are like me, nor do I expect them to be.

For example, how exactly SHOULD one who is accused of sexually assaulting a fellow student, but prosecutors decline to file charges, be punished?

Is this demand for punishment prior to sometimes so much as being charged with, quite often prior to actually being convicted of, a crime something we would all see a value in were the involved parties NOT, "a football god"?

That is to say, is seeking to punish a teacher accused of rape who is never actually charged with rape something we would all like to see happen?

What if a fire fighter says he hit his wife, is guilty as hell because he SAYS he did it, would we as a country all demand he not only loose his current job but also be banned from ever again providing his services in exchange for money to live on anywhere in this country or Canada?

If we read about a community organizer indicted for child abuse, being we all want to put an end to that crime would we all demand he be punished prior to a trial?

We ARE doing these things right now.

And that is a problem for me. Not punishing the crimes, I am all for punishing crimes. I just don't think think that trying to show people we care so by demanding punishments prior to any actual charges, evidence, trials, convictions or confessions, is the best way to teach our young people the other values we used to embrace........Such as one being presumed innocent until PROVEN otherwise.

But again, I understand how not all values are for everyone, it may just be me who worries about this.

And if so, I'm ok with that.

jameis winston was never punished for the (alleged) rape of a classmate 2 years ago. although there was apparently cell-phone video evidence of the attack, that recording was erased either before or during the police custody of the phone. the (florida) prosecutor then declined to proceed to a grand jury, because "it was his word against hers". after 2 years of legal pursuit by the victim's attorney, and resistance by the accused, Florida State a few weeks ago finally opened up an inquiry into the attack, but Jameis continues to play football throughout the process.

 

[as seen on tv]

I agree Up. It is disconcerting what we are doing in this country more and more. WE are acting like a lynch mob. You decide who is guilty - persecute them and hang them without a trial without due process, etc. Except at least now the hanging is only figureative and surrounds more like destroying a persons' life, the lives fo their family members, their chance to earn a living, etc.

We USED to think this was worng. This country was founded on the concepts of innocent until proven guilt - you have a right to a fair trial, etc. How can you even get a fair trail in this country when everyone from Maine to Texas and Florida to Alaska has heard of you? We are getting out of control.

Don't get me wrong, this kid - from what has been said about him, is likely bad news. But, personally, I think we have to let a person actually demonstrate and be prosecuted as bad news before as a society we judge them. Sure, we can talk about it. Sure, I think this kid based on what I have read is guilty as hell of the sexual assualt and that it was covered up by his School. BUT - i don't feel the need to hassle and harrange the school based on my opinion until they punish him. I don't feel the need to go harrangue sponsors of teams or the association. At what point did we start thinking our opinions should matter that much and or that we should interfere with another persons living their lives. To me it is a decidedly unamerican attitude.

i have zero issues with innocent until proven guilty.

however, in the case of Jameis Winston, a cell phone video of assault existed, and was then mysteriously erased, the Florida district attorney then declined to press charges, since it became a "he said, she said" case.

additionally, the legal team representing Jameis was able to thwart - for 2 years - any inquiry by Florida State itself into the attack. only a month or so ago did Florida State actually agree to open an inquiry into the victim's accusations. The fact that she has gone public, and willingly identified herself, and the fact that Jameis and his attorneys have taken such extraordinary steps regarding evidence and delays, does not suggest innocence.

If you're actually innocent, you welcome exoneration, not try to prevent it.

 

[connieb]

i have zero issues with innocent until proven guilty.

however, in the case of Jameis Winston, a cell phone video of assault existed, and was then mysteriously erased, the Florida district attorney then declined to press charges, since it became a "he said, she said" case.

additionally, the legal team representing Jameis was able to thwart - for 2 years - any inquiry by Florida State itself into the attack. only a month or so ago did Florida State actually agree to open an inquiry into the victim's accusations. The fact that she has gone public, and willingly identified herself, and the fact that Jameis and his attorneys have taken such extraordinary steps regarding evidence and delays, does not suggest innocence.

If you're actually innocent, you welcome exoneration, not try to prevent it.

I disagree with the last line. Our system isn't perfect and innocent people do go to prison because juries and judges make decision on emotions. And, when yo uallow emotions to come into play - forgettabout anything being impartial.

But, I agree there was some shady things going on there. It seems like it wasn an intentional cover-up. However, I woudl rather guilty people go free left and right, than one innocent person goes to jail. So, if they don't have the evidence anymore for whatever reason, they don't have the evidence anymore. And, if you can't convict someone in court, then I am loathe to convict them in their private lives as well.

connie