Just to be clear for our Republican friends...I don't care which way

[GordonGecko]

the GOP goes on immigration reform. They can either do the right thing and support it and piss off their Base and go into civil war. Or they can listen to the xenophobes and racists and destroy immigration reform and go into demographic extinction.

I'm good either way. You get your Party to pick one or the other...and it's fine with me.



Oh, and that also is directed at all the "not a member of any party, pure conservatives" here as well who miraculously have never voted Republican.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Now you're just being mean, Gordon.

 

[Dino]

the GOP goes on immigration reform. They can either do the right thing and support it and piss off their Base and go into civil war. Or they can listen to the xenophobes and racists and destroy immigration reform and go into demographic extinction.

I'm good either way. You get your Party to pick one or the other...and it's fine with me.



Oh, and that also is directed at all the "not a member of any party, pure conservatives" here as well who miraculously have never voted Republican.

Question: how does passing this immigration bill do anything but accelerate the process of demographic extinction for the GOP?

 

[Corruptbuddha]

If the GOP had principle, they would stick with those.

Me, I love the way the Socialcrats are overplaying their hand right now.

 

[Sickofleft]

the GOP goes on immigration reform. They can either do the right thing and support it and piss off their Base and go into civil war. Or they can listen to the xenophobes and racists and destroy immigration reform and go into demographic extinction.

I'm good either way. You get your Party to pick one or the other...and it's fine with me.



Oh, and that also is directed at all the "not a member of any party, pure conservatives" here as well who miraculously have never voted Republican.

The Bill sucks, if they are smart they will kill it.

 

[Corruptbuddha]

Just as I said in another post. Gordo, you don't support amnesty for any reason other than political.

You support amnesty because you are TOLD to support amnesty by the DNC.

How about a nice genuflect toward the nearest Obama flag?

 

[middleview]

Just as I said in another post. Gordo, you don't support amnesty for any reason other than political.

You support amnesty because you are TOLD to support amnesty by the DNC.

How about a nice genuflect toward the nearest Obama flag?

So if a republican supports it, should they genuflect at the nearest shrine to Saint Ronald Reagan? He was the last guy to sign an immigration bill that included amnesty.

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

Question: how does passing this immigration bill do anything but accelerate the process of demographic extinction for the GOP?

and why GOP will get extinct if they stand for the right principles , for the average people and are not racist?

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

If the GOP had principle, they would stick with those.

Me, I love the way the Socialcrats are overplaying their hand right now.

and i love the way GOp is playing it's hand for all this years.

 

[Corruptbuddha]

So if a republican supports it, should they genuflect at the nearest shrine to Saint Ronald Reagan? He was the last guy to sign an immigration bill that included amnesty.

Nope, we all know by now that 1986 was a horrific mistake.

 

[Cerulean Mutt]

I can't say that I don't care, because the status quo is untenable.

Setting unrealistic quotas for legal immigration and then turning a quasi blind eye towards the employers taking advantage of a captive work force which undercuts American workers is counterproductive. We need a solution - not a kick the can down the road response.

If it doesn't pass this time the circular firing squad that defeats it will just be hastening the time when a more comprehensive bill without all the silly border enforcement nonsense can be passed.

It's going to happen, sooner or later.

 

[NightSwimmer]

Nope, we all know by now that 1986 was a horrific mistake.

The entire, so-called "Reagan Revolution" was a dismal failure. The economic devastation wreaked upon the middle class in America under Republican rule over the past several decades makes any little immigration problem that we're having pale in comparison.

 

[GordonGecko]

Question: how does passing this immigration bill do anything but accelerate the process of demographic extinction for the GOP?

How does NOT passing it HELP the GOP, Dino. Apparently a LOT of Republicans....from Marco Rubio to John Boehner WANT a bill with a pathway to citizenship in it.

So in your view....Are they suicidal or stupid? (Another thing I'm "good either way" on how you answer. )

 

[GordonGecko]

Nope, we all know by now that 1986 was a horrific mistake.

Yes....the Republicans never won another national election or Congressional control after 1986....we all "know that by now", don't we, CB?

 

[GordonGecko]

I can't say that I don't care, because the status quo is untenable.

Setting unrealistic quotas for legal immigration and then turning a quasi blind eye towards the employers taking advantage of a captive work force which undercuts American workers is counterproductive. We need a solution - not a kick the can down the road response.

If it doesn't pass this time the circular firing squad that defeats it will just be hastening the time when a more comprehensive bill without all the silly border enforcement nonsense can be passed.

It's going to happen, sooner or later.

Like the Star Trek "Kobayashi Maru" scenario....this is a "no-win" for the Republicans. Either they royally piss off their Base...or they show Latinos that they want to continue to be a "almost all white Party of Pat Buchanans and Sheriff Joe Arpaios".

The first sees them go into immediate civil war...but eventually shaking it off and re-grouping after maybe two or three election cycles. The second sees them gradually grow smaller and smaller, stop being a national party, and delaying the re-grouping for five or six election cycles until the old racists die off or are hidden away in the attic like a crazy aunt.

 

[Colorforms]

Like the Star Trek "Kobayashi Maru" scenario....this is a "no-win" for the Republicans. Either they royally piss off their Base...or they show Latinos that they want to continue to be a "almost all white Party of Pat Buchanans and Sheriff Joe Arpaios".

The first sees them go into immediate civil war...but eventually shaking it off and re-grouping after maybe two or three election cycles. The second sees them gradually grow smaller and smaller, stop being a national party, and delaying the re-grouping for five or six election cycles until the old racists die off or are hidden away in the attic like a crazy aunt.

So, you could really give a damn about illegals, you just want to kill off the republican party. Good to know, Rep. You confirm everything I ever thought about liberals.

 

[GordonGecko]

So, you could really give a damn about illegals, you just want to kill off the republican party. Good to know, Rep. You confirm everything I ever thought about liberals.

CF, I want immigration reform passed. Hope it is.

The destruction of the GOP is just gravy. BTW, TOTALLY of its own making. They spent the last 40 years pandering to racists to survive as a party....well, they're reaping what they have sown.

They want to do the right thing....I'll cheer them. But you don't mind if I also enjoy watching their Base go absolutely ape-shit apoplectic at being "sold out", do you???

 

[Colorforms]

CF, I want immigration reform passed. Hope it is.

The destruction of the GOP is just gravy. BTW, TOTALLY of its own making. They spent the last 40 years pandering to racists to survive as a party....well, they're reaping what they have sown.

They want to do the right thing....I'll cheer them. But you don't mind if I also enjoy watching their Base go absolutely ape-shit apoplectic at being "sold out", do you???

They can either do the right thing and support it and piss off their Base and go into civil war. Or they can listen to the xenophobes and racists and destroy immigration reform and go into demographic extinction.

I'm good either way. You get your Party to pick one or the other...and it's fine with me.

No backpedaling now, Rep. Have the courage of your convictions. liberals like you could give a damn about people. It's all about the power to you.

 

[Arkady]

the GOP goes on immigration reform. They can either do the right thing and support it and piss off their Base and go into civil war. Or they can listen to the xenophobes and racists and destroy immigration reform and go into demographic extinction.

I'm good either way. You get your Party to pick one or the other...and it's fine with me.



Oh, and that also is directed at all the "not a member of any party, pure conservatives" here as well who miraculously have never voted Republican.

It'll be interesting to see if the party powers manage to quash dissent this time. They flirted with immigration reform in the Bush years, because the wiser heads in the party could see long-term demographic extinction as the only alternative. Fox News got on board with pushing it, but extremists in the base pushed back, led by loose cannons who don't always take their orders from top party officials, and the extremists won. Will that happen again?

 

[Sickofleft]

So if a republican supports it, should they genuflect at the nearest shrine to Saint Ronald Reagan? He was the last guy to sign an immigration bill that included amnesty.

With the caveat that the border would be secured. It never was, he got hung out to dry.