Legalizing prostitution:

[Barbella]

For?
Against?
Ambivalent?

Why/why not?

 

[connieb]

I am back and forth on it. On one hand, I believe it objectifies women and promotes the concept of women as sex objects, and demeans them as well.

However, lots of women actually want to make their money that way and do not find it demeaning. So, since I am generally a to each their own kind of person, I do not agree with legislating morality and having it be illegal from that perspective.

I do not really know the public health stats and the effect on public health. I know that other countries allow it - the red light district for instance, but I certainly don't think it would be any worse to have it taxed and regulated and the require health screenings, etc.

I think then if you do that - you have to have pretty strict penalties for prostituting illegally AND for purchasing the service illegally.

I do think that it could help reduce human trafficking because once the businesses are open but regulated the desire to go underground and get what you can go pay legally for somewhere else. There will still be some of course, in those not of age, those who want a woman to use because they get off on the violence of it, etc. But, I also think it would get sexworkers out of the shadows and out from under the thumb of people who hold threats of jail and exposure over them too. They can just go work legally if that is what they want.

The reality if some jerk wants to just find someone to have a one night stand with and that is all they want to invest in it, then seriously - I would rather have creeps like that not trolling the bars and using unsuspecting women. I mean - if you think about the time it actually takes to do the act, you can go pay for your 15 or 20 minutes and spend less than you would have on dinner and a few drinks. So, to that end, too, it may have a positive impact in reducing the number of date rapes. Although your typical stranger rape is certainly about violence and control your average date rape is more about wanting sex and a misalignment of expectations. If jerks who engage in that behavior regularly go and get their rocks off with a willing participant.. they may not be as desperate as to take advantage of a drunk person.

connie

 

[Queen Titania]

For?
Against?
Ambivalent?

Why/why not?

De-legalize it.

 

[Barbella]

I am back and forth on it. On one hand, I believe it objectifies women and promotes the concept of women as sex objects, and demeans them as well.

However, lots of women actually want to make their money that way and do not find it demeaning. So, since I am generally a to each their own kind of person, I do not agree with legislating morality and having it be illegal from that perspective.

I do not really know the public health stats and the effect on public health. I know that other countries allow it - the red light district for instance, but I certainly don't think it would be any worse to have it taxed and regulated and the require health screenings, etc.

I think then if you do that - you have to have pretty strict penalties for prostituting illegally AND for purchasing the service illegally.

I do think that it could help reduce human trafficking because once the businesses are open but regulated the desire to go underground and get what you can go pay legally for somewhere else. There will still be some of course, in those not of age, those who want a woman to use because they get off on the violence of it, etc. But, I also think it would get sexworkers out of the shadows and out from under the thumb of people who hold threats of jail and exposure over them too. They can just go work legally if that is what they want.

The reality if some jerk wants to just find someone to have a one night stand with and that is all they want to invest in it, then seriously - I would rather have creeps like that not trolling the bars and using unsuspecting women. I mean - if you think about the time it actually takes to do the act, you can go pay for your 15 or 20 minutes and spend less than you would have on dinner and a few drinks. So, to that end, too, it may have a positive impact in reducing the number of date rapes. Although your typical stranger rape is certainly about violence and control your average date rape is more about wanting sex and a misalignment of expectations. If jerks who engage in that behavior regularly go and get their rocks off with a willing participant.. they may not be as desperate as to take advantage of a drunk person.

connie

Agreed 100%. While nothing is perfect, legalizing prostitution would, at the very least, eliminate a woman's need for a pimp who collects all the money while she does all the 'work'....

Seriously, though... legalizing prostitution would, IMO, cut down on STD's, create revenue for local governments, and free the women who chose that profession from the constant fear of being arrested. Lots of good arguments FOR legalization, not many I can think of AGAINST....

 

[connieb]

Agreed 100%. While nothing is perfect, legalizing prostitution would, at the very least, eliminate a woman's need for a pimp who collects all the money while she does all the 'work'....

Seriously, though... legalizing prostitution would, IMO, cut down on STD's, create revenue for local governments, and free the women who chose that profession from the constant fear of being arrested. Lots of good arguments FOR legalization, not many I can think of AGAINST....

I certainly think that keeping it illegal allows for the perpetuation of abuse on these women. What are they going to do... go to the cops and rat out their pimp? Admit they are turning tricks illegally? I think too that spreading of STD's is another big concern. We could treat regulated sex workers like we do porn stars with the mandatory testing, etc. Besides its not like this is completely untried. Nevada licenses and inspects brothels. And, to my knowledge the use of those facilities hasn't been linked to the spread of STD's.

I think too it would certainly be safer for the women. Either they are in a facility like a brothel with security of some type, or perhaps they go 'on call" but they have people who know where they went, who they went to meet, where they were going, etc. That could act as deterrent.

 

[Barbella]

I certainly think that keeping it illegal allows for the perpetuation of abuse on these women. What are they going to do... go to the cops and rat out their pimp? Admit they are turning tricks illegally? I think too that spreading of STD's is another big concern. We could treat regulated sex workers like we do porn stars with the mandatory testing, etc. Besides its not like this is completely untried. Nevada licenses and inspects brothels. And, to my knowledge the use of those facilities hasn't been linked to the spread of STD's.

I think too it would certainly be safer for the women. Either they are in a facility like a brothel with security of some type, or perhaps they go 'on call" but they have people who know where they went, who they went to meet, where they were going, etc. That could act as deterrent.

Exactly. Prostitution has been legal in Germany for, like, ever... at least 60+ years. I happen to know this because we were aware of where they 'worked', even as kids growing up there.

They were kind of 'classified'.... there were the 'better' prostitutes who worked out of their apartments or hotel rooms... then there were the street walkers who were a lot cheaper, I guess... they had designated streets that they had to stick to... but they all had their 'membership cards' that they had to carry with them at all times, and which got stamped or something every month when they went to the clinic for their physicals...

Germany is still standing, as far as I know, DESPITE this horrible, horrible thing.

 

[connieb]

Exactly. Prostitution has been legal in Germany for, like, ever... at least 60+ years. I happen to know this because we were aware of where they 'worked', even as kids growing up there.

I'll be honest, I think a large part of what I think of as our "moral decay" which is really more like a lack of commitment and oversexed nature of our society - is a direct result of the LACK of available sex outlets. Its like anything else - take it away and you want it. Make it bad, and you make it appealing.

Is it really any better that someone who just wants a quick lay is trolling bars trying to find a willing participate - aka victim? No. If that guy wants a business transaction. Let him go have is business transaction.

It used to be you dated to find someone to marry. Now you date to have sex. Which results in unwanted pregnancies, bad marriages and broken hearts. If people could go somewhere and get their rocks of when they wanted to, perhaps we could return to when dating was about marriage and not just hooking up. I am not opposed to sex while dating, just the dating for the purpose of getting sex.

connie

 

[Barbella]

I'll be honest, I think a large part of what I think of as our "moral decay" which is really more like a lack of commitment and oversexed nature of our society - is a direct result of the LACK of available sex outlets. Its like anything else - take it away and you want it. Make it bad, and you make it appealing.

Is it really any better that someone who just wants a quick lay is trolling bars trying to find a willing participate - aka victim? No. If that guy wants a business transaction. Let him go have is business transaction.

It used to be you dated to find someone to marry. Now you date to have sex. Which results in unwanted pregnancies, bad marriages and broken hearts. If people could go somewhere and get their rocks of when they wanted to, perhaps we could return to when dating was about marriage and not just hooking up. I am not opposed to sex while dating, just the dating for the purpose of getting sex.

connie

Absolutely right. Forbidden fruit and all that... it's like that with anything. The more it's forbidden, the more we want it.

Prostitution hurts no one, as long as the participants are of age and willing.

 

[Queen Titania]

Agreed 100%. While nothing is perfect, legalizing prostitution would, at the very least, eliminate a woman's need for a pimp who collects all the money while she does all the 'work'....

Seriously, though... legalizing prostitution would, IMO, cut down on STD's, create revenue for local governments, and free the women who chose that profession from the constant fear of being arrested. Lots of good arguments FOR legalization, not many I can think of AGAINST....

People don't understand the pimp, girl relationship - it isn't, most of the time, anything at all like the movies - It is comfort.

STDs are, in the main, only a problem with girls who are on drugs - which are not good for working with, alcohol is better, though better not unless the client pays well for it - most serious girls look after themselves with great care......... Or 'illegal slaves' - there are already laws in place for both drugs and slavery.

Serious girls already pay taxes, I always did and I was never 'legal'.

De legalizing it gives all prostitutes the freedom to work as they please - openly or in secret. By legalizing it she is stuck with a stigma - it would be on her passport even. Many girls work for short periods in their lives, they don't want nor should have it made official that they for eg was 'on the game' to get through college, when hubby left, to pay some bills ect - Even a real Pro does not want, when she is out in society, it to be known if only because of the way people react to her/him or even for normal reasons such as our work does not define any of us and usually when one is not working one does not want to talk - or anything else - shop.

No matter what the legal status, prostitutes have an especial relationship with society, it will always be outside society, it cannot be otherwise - And it is the client who is most vulnerable, they lay them selves open - in a secret world without judgement, where they can be themselves, or allow a part of themselves, to relax - say things they cannot say to anyone else - behave in a way they would never want those whom they meet every day, share their lives with, share their bed with, to know, or just let their hair down with no repercussions and so on. When they walk away what ever happened between those two, pro and client, stays there - 'I know no body and I know nothing'.

The best places are brothels- run as cafes/ clubs/ bars with back rooms - the girl works as a bar girl in 'catering' 'hospitality' or what ever - the madam is an 'old or young girl' working still or not - safety, as far as is poss, for client and girl because the clients know and trust ( or not) the House/Madam and the girl is not alone, madam knows the clients and ect -

Personally, I prefer it when prostitution is illegal but the Police turn a blind eye - but you can't write that in law.

 

[marvin martian]

I am back and forth on it. On one hand, I believe it objectifies women and promotes the concept of women as sex objects, and demeans them as well.

However, lots of women actually want to make their money that way and do not find it demeaning. So, since I am generally a to each their own kind of person, I do not agree with legislating morality and having it be illegal from that perspective.

I do not really know the public health stats and the effect on public health. I know that other countries allow it - the red light district for instance, but I certainly don't think it would be any worse to have it taxed and regulated and the require health screenings, etc.

I think then if you do that - you have to have pretty strict penalties for prostituting illegally AND for purchasing the service illegally.

I do think that it could help reduce human trafficking because once the businesses are open but regulated the desire to go underground and get what you can go pay legally for somewhere else. There will still be some of course, in those not of age, those who want a woman to use because they get off on the violence of it, etc. But, I also think it would get sexworkers out of the shadows and out from under the thumb of people who hold threats of jail and exposure over them too. They can just go work legally if that is what they want.

The reality if some jerk wants to just find someone to have a one night stand with and that is all they want to invest in it, then seriously - I would rather have creeps like that not trolling the bars and using unsuspecting women. I mean - if you think about the time it actually takes to do the act, you can go pay for your 15 or 20 minutes and spend less than you would have on dinner and a few drinks. So, to that end, too, it may have a positive impact in reducing the number of date rapes. Although your typical stranger rape is certainly about violence and control your average date rape is more about wanting sex and a misalignment of expectations. If jerks who engage in that behavior regularly go and get their rocks off with a willing participant.. they may not be as desperate as to take advantage of a drunk person.

connie

And, on a related note, keep your women away from Joe Biden.

 

[marvin martian]

People don't understand the pimp, girl relationship - it isn't, most of the time, anything at all like the movies - It is comfort.

STDs are, in the main, only a problem with girls who are on drugs - which are not good for working with, alcohol is better, though better not unless the client pays well for it - most serious girls look after themselves with great care......... Or 'illegal slaves' - there are already laws in place for both drugs and slavery.

Serious girls already pay taxes, I always did and I was never 'legal'.

De legalizing it gives all prostitutes the freedom to work as they please - openly or in secret. By legalizing it she is stuck with a stigma - it would be on her passport even. Many girls work for short periods in their lives, they don't want nor should have it made official that they for eg was 'on the game' to get through college, when hubby left, to pay some bills ect - Even a real Pro does not want, when she is out in society, it to be known if only because of the way people react to her/him or even for normal reasons such as our work does not define any of us and usually when one is not working one does not want to talk - or anything else - shop.

No matter what the legal status, prostitutes have an especial relationship with society, it will always be outside society, it cannot be otherwise - And it is the client who is most vulnerable, they lay them selves open - in a secret world without judgement, where they can be themselves, or allow a part of themselves, to relax - say things they cannot say to anyone else - behave in a way they would never want those whom they meet every day, share their lives with, share their bed with, to know, or just let their hair down with no repercussions and so on. When they walk away what ever happened between those two, pro and client, stays there - 'I know no body and I know nothing'.

The best places are brothels- run as cafes/ clubs/ bars with back rooms - the girl works as a bar girl in 'catering' 'hospitality' or what ever - the madam is an 'old or young girl' working still or not - safety, as far as is poss, for client and girl because the clients know and trust ( or not) the House/Madam and the girl is not alone, madam knows the clients and ect -

Personally, I prefer it when prostitution is illegal but the Police turn a blind eye - but you can't write that in law.

When you were selling your ass, did you reject Jewish customers? Just curious...

 

[Queen Titania]

Absolutely right. Forbidden fruit and all that... it's like that with anything. The more it's forbidden, the more we want it.

Prostitution hurts no one, as long as the participants are of age and willing.

Prostitution isn't pornography though - the two have become muddled in modern thinking - and much of prostitution isn't really even about sex - most is definatly not good sex ;-)

 

[AIL]

For?
Against?
Ambivalent?

Why/why not?

Sex is natural and a normal function instead of felling guilty and shameful as it was being in catholic schools. It was a terrible way of growing up. Everything was sinful..
In most of Europe prostitution is legal; women get heath care checks, they pay taxes and they have a legal and safe location for them to do what they want to do.
The only problem I have is for any women that is forced to live a life of prostitution.
It can only be legal if the women consents to do that profession but
never legal if the is women or men are forced to do that.

Penalty for tariffing in the sex trade should be very severe.. Years in jail not a slap on the wrist..


Legalize it the sooner the better ..
Germany prostitution is legal The rape rate is 9.4 4per 100,000 vs USA 27.3 per 100,000

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate#amount
Muslim countries very low rate per 100,000 I don't know if its under reported Papan is extremely low .. Is it culture? I think its legal in Japan

 

[RickWA]

For?
Against?
Ambivalent?

Why/why not?

You mean like what Julie and Bugs do on this forum every day for the DNC?

 

[zzigzzag]

You mean like what Julie and Bugs do on this forum every day for the DNC?

And the resident troll pops in with another gratuitous insult against people who aren't even on the thread. No comment on the topic....as usual.

Who are you whoring for, troll?

 

[RickWA]

And the resident troll pops in with another gratuitous insult against people who aren't even on the thread. No comment on the topic....as usual.

Who are you whoring for, troll?

Looks like someone got a snoot full of Maui Wowie and is beginning to tweak.

 

[zzigzzag]

For?
Against?
Ambivalent?

Why/why not?

I'm decidedly ambivalent. Can't think of anything that I find less interesting than what other people do for sex. I always gravitated toward single women who liked me before I was married.

 

[connieb]

People don't understand the pimp, girl relationship - it isn't, most of the time, anything at all like the movies - It is comfort.

STDs are, in the main, only a problem with girls who are on drugs - which are not good for working with, alcohol is better, though better not unless the client pays well for it - most serious girls look after themselves with great care......... Or 'illegal slaves' - there are already laws in place for both drugs and slavery.

Serious girls already pay taxes, I always did and I was never 'legal'.

De legalizing it gives all prostitutes the freedom to work as they please - openly or in secret. By legalizing it she is stuck with a stigma - it would be on her passport even. Many girls work for short periods in their lives, they don't want nor should have it made official that they for eg was 'on the game' to get through college, when hubby left, to pay some bills ect - Even a real Pro does not want, when she is out in society, it to be known if only because of the way people react to her/him or even for normal reasons such as our work does not define any of us and usually when one is not working one does not want to talk - or anything else - shop.

No matter what the legal status, prostitutes have an especial relationship with society, it will always be outside society, it cannot be otherwise - And it is the client who is most vulnerable, they lay them selves open - in a secret world without judgement, where they can be themselves, or allow a part of themselves, to relax - say things they cannot say to anyone else - behave in a way they would never want those whom they meet every day, share their lives with, share their bed with, to know, or just let their hair down with no repercussions and so on. When they walk away what ever happened between those two, pro and client, stays there - 'I know no body and I know nothing'.

The best places are brothels- run as cafes/ clubs/ bars with back rooms - the girl works as a bar girl in 'catering' 'hospitality' or what ever - the madam is an 'old or young girl' working still or not - safety, as far as is poss, for client and girl because the clients know and trust ( or not) the House/Madam and the girl is not alone, madam knows the clients and ect -

Personally, I prefer it when prostitution is illegal but the Police turn a blind eye - but you can't write that in law.

I would support instituting laws to protect a person's anonymity, but I think to achieve the public health benefits, we need to have some type of regulation and mandatory testing for STD's. It isn't about even girls spreading disease, it is ALSO about having a disease spreader doing his thing in a safe environment as opposed to random hookups. STD"s are quite the problem with young people in this country.

 

[zzigzzag]

Looks like someone got a snoot full of Maui Wowie and is beginning to tweak.

More weed references, please. It gets more clever and humorous each time. Ask any boring, lonely, dullard with a stick up his ass.

 

[RickWA]

More weed references, please. It gets more clever and humorous each time. Ask any boring, lonely person with a stick up his ass.

Sure seems like you go around looking for an argument. You' re basically a (somewhat) male, lisping Nina. I'll get back to ignoring you now (until I feel like slumming again).


(No, that doesn't mean I use the "ignore" feature).

Later.