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justoffal
Senator
Boltlady
Governor
It's the rubber band of American politics. Far more than a pendulum swing, the nation suffers...endures...and embraces these wild changes in politics.
And...the uninformed. I hear a "voter" say...we just needed change, the Democrats weren't getting anything done"...but the voter knew absolutely nothing of the 8 year dedicated obstructionism of the GOP Congress.
Cohen had an understanding of the world...as he had lived it and explored it through various business, artistic, and religious/spiritual explorations.
Both of these artists were strangers in a strange land...
justoffal
Senator
I think it is foolish to ever say... " not getting anything done ".... I never say that about any administration. Obama was the busiest POTUS in recent history as far as multitasking and actually getting a whole bunch of stuff done.
The problem is the license to disrespect other people....it never has good results. This administration allow itself to be defined too often by those ethics.
Trump could be as bad...worse...or he can learn from the past and show resepect to all sides.
We shall see.
JO
Where in the hell have you been for the past 6 months???
License to disrespect people?? The Grab Our Pussy Party???
connieb
Senator
Disrespecting *a* person is not the same as disrespecting people. Calling Trump supporters a basket of deplorables is disrespecting people, the people, nameless faceless people whose ideas you don't listen to and intentionally malign. Calling Rosie O'Donnel a fat pig or taking about what a certain woman or some women will all ow you to get away with is disrespecting those particular people not people at large.
marvin martian
Emperor
Exactly. And that's the problem with the moral relativism of the left. And the hypocrisy. It's a tragedy for them that Trump made rude comments about a woman, but Hillary calling tens of millions of Americans unworthy of life is totally ok, and they go forth and repeat those vile slurs ad nauseum.
connieb
Senator
Half is still a portion of the voting public. And no disrespect is not disrespect. Insulting a person who you do not like is not the same ad insulting an entire group of people you don't know. In our personal daily lives each of us disrespects someone. The driver who cut us off, the driver we cut off, the neighbor we don't like. Whatever. But to extrapolate those individual personal interactions to apply to the subgroup that that person happens to belong to and say because you did not hold the door for the person behind you and that person was black that you don't like blacks is ridiculous. No one else buys that hyperbolic rhetoric outside the lefts little echo chamber.
When you...YOU...paint with your broad brush about boomers (who you've hoped a hasty death)...or liberals...you're being disrespectful to the individuals in that group. It's a lazy way to insult folks. If YOU aren't a xenophobe, why take offense? If YOU are not a bigot, why take offense.
Trump’s supporters were "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic...
As we all can see...some of Trump's supporters fit the bill.
I still will take the position that a person who is willing to be as insultive as Trump is to individuals...he is also that insultive to groups. Women...who aren't attractive "enough"...to serve him..."Fat pigs"...from an overweight fat pig.
He's disrespectful. You...weirdly...respect that.
btw...this is a top post about the demise of two musicians...
connieb
Senator
It is a lazy way to insult someone. But I am not running for office. Call me crazy but I don't think an elected representative should be insulting with a broad brush the people who they will represent. I don't take offense because I am I take offense at the assumption I may be.
Yes some people are not attractive and some of them are ok looking but not gorgeous and if what you are selling is glamour then they won't meet your standards, so what? Yes Rosie odonnel is a fat pig. Yet those are issues with those people personally. His campaign manager is not s particularly attractive woman yet he hired her. So clearly looks aren't everything, even to him.
MrMike
Bless you all
Given that was a weak prop to be inappropriately funny, pehaps you can go join them yourself to find out what they really think about it?
That would be just as funny...
My favorite by Cohen,,, Craig. Cohen wasn't really classified as being a political writer but still -- depends on what one reads into some of his lyrics, maybe.
Leonard Cohen - Anthem
He dabbled...
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded.
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed.
Everybody knows that the war is over.
Everybody knows the good guys lost.
Everybody knows the fight was fixed.
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich.
That’s how it goes. Everybody knows.
https://shadowproof.com/2016/11/11/political-songs-of-leonard-cohen/
Nor was Russell openly political in many of his songs, but again, he dabbled in the ideas.
Ballad For A Soldier...
When I was just a young boy, I played with swords and guns, and I dreamed of the day I'd become a soldier.
And kill all of the enemy, my country 'tis of thee.
I sing this anthem sadly, wont you hear me.
I watched the cannons blazing, on the giant silver screen.
The swastikas were burning and the hero was me.
The general gave the order, gladly I obeyed.
But the movie faded quickly all at once today.
And now I stand alone with the charges made, no where to run, not a place to hide.
We're sad little children playing grown-up games.
Guess the time has come, the damage has been done.
Stray dogs that live on the highway, walk on three legs.
Cause they learn to slow to get the message.
Just like the Indians in the early days.
Battles lost and won, yet it still goes on.
It's just another ballad for soldier.
I had no understanding 'till I saw my mother cry, when they told how many babies I had killed that night.
A dozen color photographs inside of a magazine, told the morbid story like a movie screen.
But I was not the hero I thought myself to be, movies are much different than reality.
The general was convicted to get off of the hook, but the President might free me for the chance I took.
And we all stand alone when the charge is made, sad way to live, what a way to die.
We're all little children playing grown-up games, can we burn the gun before the next time comes.
Stray dogs that live on the highway walk on three legs, they move to slow to get the message.
Give up and win, that's all I have to say, we haven't really won till all the fightin' done, and there are no more ballads for the soldiers.
W
Wolfert Webber
Guest
Yep
justoffal
Senator
I don't pay any attention to past practices with Trump any more than I cared about the pictures of Obama wearing a Madrasa graduation uniform. I knew what he was...is...
never thought about it for a moment. If he condescends he will destroy his own administration from within.
Obama was a victim of his own staff and even his own wife at times. He had a chip on his shoulder too but he was smart enough to keep it in check. Some of the other people he depended on ...Eric Holder for instance....were just loud mouthed idiots.
JO
