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Bugsy McGurk

President
The whole idea so far has been to “flatten the curve” - to reduce the rate of spread so that the health care system does not get overwhelmed. That effort is obviously hindered by an inability to acquire the needed medical equipment and test kits, with Trump coming out every day spewing happy talk, doing mini versions of his hate rallies, and talking about “opening things up” in two weeks, instead of focusing on the lack of required equipment and test kits.

That obviously slows down the effort to bring the rate of contagion under control, and it costs many lives, but there will be the “next stage.” There will come a time, due to physical separation and the incredible, courageous efforts of the medical community, when things are “loosened up.” Trump will obviously apply pressure to do that before the experts say it is wise to do it, but that day will come. What will that look like?

Well, we know that the virus will not be “gone” then. It will still be circulating in our society, probably to a significant degree. What percentage of people will want to “reenter society” and commingle with others at that point? People who don’t have to do that will not do it - they will stay hunkered down.

But many people who need to do it, principally for financial reasons, will do it. What happens then? The rate of spread then shoots up again.

We will at that point also have a fair number of people who have been infected but have recovered, hopefully providing them with temporary immunity from reinfection (such immunity from coronavirus infections tends to be limited to one to three years). Those people can freely return to work, assuming that they are temporarily immune.

What else can be done for the “next” period? Well, everyone reentering the workforce could wear masks - the best masks that prevent them from being infected, and prevents them from infecting others. Do we have such masks? No. We don’t even have enough for the medical workers. Are the feds on this? We hear nothing about that.

We also need an extraordinary amount of test kits - both to test for current infection and antigen tests to see who has been infected and recovered. Do we have those test kits available? Not by a long shot. Are the feds preparing for the “next” period and ramping up production of the tests that will be needed? We hear nothing about that either.

Although Trump doesn’t seem to get this, the economyhealth of Americansgo hand in hand. Just flinging the doors back open on some arbitrary date will not achieve the mutual goals of promoting the economy and keeping Americans safe. But to achieve those goals, the steps outlined above, and more, need to be taken.

Of course, the wild card is whether effective therapies or a vaccine can be employed in the immediate future. That seems out of the question as to a vaccine. It’s at least possible if effective therapies can be quickly identified and employed. But we can’t count on that. We must carefully prepare, right now, for the “next” period and produce what needs to be produced for that period. Just like we produced naval vessels and bombers in record speed during WWII.

Hopefully, someone can convince Trump to think ahead, consider all these factors, and do what needs to be done for the “next” phase.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
The whole idea so far has been to “flatten the curve” - to reduce the rate of spread so that the health care system does not get overwhelmed. That effort is obviously hindered by an inability to acquire the needed medical equipment and test kits, with Trump coming out every day spewing happy talk, doing mini versions of his hate rallies, and talking about “opening things up” in two weeks, instead of focusing on the lack of required equipment and test kits.

That obviously slows down the effort to bring the rate of contagion under control, and it costs many lives, but there will be the “next stage.” There will come a time, due to physical separation and the incredible, courageous efforts of the medical community, when things are “loosened up.” Trump will obviously apply pressure to do that before the experts say it is wise to do it, but that day will come. What will that look like?

Well, we know that the virus will not be “gone” then. It will still be circulating in our society, probably to a significant degree. What percentage of people will want to “reenter society” and commingle with others at that point? People who don’t have to do that will not do it - they will stay hunkered down.

But many people who need to do it, principally for financial reasons, will do it. What happens then? The rate of spread then shoots up again.

We will at that point also have a fair number of people who have been infected but have recovered, hopefully providing them with temporary immunity from reinfection (such immunity from coronavirus infections tends to be limited to one to three years). Those people can freely return to work, assuming that they are temporarily immune.

What else can be done for the “next” period? Well, everyone reentering the workforce could wear masks - the best masks that prevent them from being infected, and prevents them from infecting others. Do we have such masks? No. We don’t even have enough for the medical workers. Are the feds on this? We hear nothing about that.

We also need an extraordinary amount of test kits - both to test for current infection and antigen tests to see who has been infected and recovered. Do we have those test kits available? Not by a long shot. Are the feds preparing for the “next” period and ramping up production of the tests that will be needed? We hear nothing about that either.

Although Trump doesn’t seem to get this, the economyhealth of Americansgo hand in hand. Just flinging the doors back open on some arbitrary date will not achieve the mutual goals of promoting the economy and keeping Americans safe. But to achieve those goals, the steps outlined above, and more, need to be taken.

Of course, the wild card is whether effective therapies or a vaccine can be employed in the immediate future. That seems out of the question as to a vaccine. It’s at least possible if effective therapies can be quickly identified and employed. But we can’t count on that. We must carefully prepare, right now, for the “next” period and produce what needs to be produced for that period. Just like we produced naval vessels and bombers in record speed during WWII.

Hopefully, someone can convince Trump to think ahead, consider all these factors, and do what needs to be done for the “next” phase.

it is here forever. it will never go away/

it will become like the flu...with, as you say limited immunity for a time, unti another strain comes along. and a vaccine is found..
 

TBLee

Governor
it is here forever. it will never go away/

it will become like the flu...with, as you say limited immunity for a time, unti another strain comes along. and a vaccine is found..
This is what many of the medical experts are saying.
 

Days

Commentator
The whole idea so far has been to “flatten the curve” - to reduce the rate of spread so that the health care system does not get overwhelmed. That effort is obviously hindered by an inability to acquire the needed medical equipment and test kits, with Trump coming out every day spewing happy talk, doing mini versions of his hate rallies, and talking about “opening things up” in two weeks, instead of focusing on the lack of required equipment and test kits.

That obviously slows down the effort to bring the rate of contagion under control, and it costs many lives, but there will be the “next stage.” There will come a time, due to physical separation and the incredible, courageous efforts of the medical community, when things are “loosened up.” Trump will obviously apply pressure to do that before the experts say it is wise to do it, but that day will come. What will that look like?

Well, we know that the virus will not be “gone” then. It will still be circulating in our society, probably to a significant degree. What percentage of people will want to “reenter society” and commingle with others at that point? People who don’t have to do that will not do it - they will stay hunkered down.

But many people who need to do it, principally for financial reasons, will do it. What happens then? The rate of spread then shoots up again.

We will at that point also have a fair number of people who have been infected but have recovered, hopefully providing them with temporary immunity from reinfection (such immunity from coronavirus infections tends to be limited to one to three years). Those people can freely return to work, assuming that they are temporarily immune.

What else can be done for the “next” period? Well, everyone reentering the workforce could wear masks - the best masks that prevent them from being infected, and prevents them from infecting others. Do we have such masks? No. We don’t even have enough for the medical workers. Are the feds on this? We hear nothing about that.

We also need an extraordinary amount of test kits - both to test for current infection and antigen tests to see who has been infected and recovered. Do we have those test kits available? Not by a long shot. Are the feds preparing for the “next” period and ramping up production of the tests that will be needed? We hear nothing about that either.

Although Trump doesn’t seem to get this, the economyhealth of Americansgo hand in hand. Just flinging the doors back open on some arbitrary date will not achieve the mutual goals of promoting the economy and keeping Americans safe. But to achieve those goals, the steps outlined above, and more, need to be taken.

Of course, the wild card is whether effective therapies or a vaccine can be employed in the immediate future. That seems out of the question as to a vaccine. It’s at least possible if effective therapies can be quickly identified and employed. But we can’t count on that. We must carefully prepare, right now, for the “next” period and produce what needs to be produced for that period. Just like we produced naval vessels and bombers in record speed during WWII.

Hopefully, someone can convince Trump to think ahead, consider all these factors, and do what needs to be done for the “next” phase.
You really have no idea what is happening. To start with, a vaccination has already been formulated and it is already being tested... it takes 6 months to a year to test it and get it approved, all the red tape, but the vaccination already exists. And this should be obvious when you stop and think what a vaccination is; it is just the disease applied in a small dose, to give our immune systems a jump start on tackling the beast... it is always going to be our immune systems that heal us, or fails to heal us.

Trump is the president, a president in the midst of an election year, running for re-election, no less. So, obviously he wants the economy rejuvenated. And obviously you want the economy to continue to decline, because you are a Democratic hack, all you care is that a Dem wins in November. So you write all these attack pieces, same as the Democratic/liberal press. And it is pure rubbish, it is your propaganda for the Dem party, it is absolute lunacy as far as analysis of economic policy; you actually want the economy to fail, so we at least know what not to do for the economy; we sure as heck will not take your advice.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
Swine Flue:
60 million Americans infected. 275,000 hospitalized. 12,500 dead.
(D) POTUS ... No media-fueled panic. No travel ban. No lockdowns. No closure orders.
And no manipulative, partisan top posts like that.
And....
No pandemic
No market crash
No 3Million new claims for unemployment in one week
No complaints that the President wasn't handling things well
and tons of right wing bullshit trying to blame Obama for it while the system worked smoothly.
 

Days

Commentator
And....
No pandemic
No market crash
No 3Million new claims for unemployment in one week
No complaints that the President wasn't handling things well
and tons of right wing bullshit trying to blame Obama for it while the system worked smoothly.
... IOW, no social distancing. This is the first time it was tried. And it isn't going to stop the pandemic, they are just trying to slow it down enough to keep up with it.

It is an experiment.
 

PNWest

America's BEST American: Impartial and Bipartisan
... IOW, no social distancing. This is the first time it was tried. And it isn't going to stop the pandemic, they are just trying to slow it down enough to keep up with it.

It is an experiment.
It's the same thing tha people have been doing for as long as there were pandemics, isolating themsleves and their communities. Read up on pandemics and see who people dealt with it. Nothing is new.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Swine Flue:
60 million Americans infected. 275,000 hospitalized. 12,500 dead.
(D) POTUS ... No media-fueled panic. No travel ban. No lockdowns. No closure orders.
And no manipulative, partisan top posts like that.
People who keep yapping about the flu (not “the flue”) simply have nothing to offer to the discussion. Apples and oranges.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
it is here forever. it will never go away/

it will become like the flu...with, as you say limited immunity for a time, unti another strain comes along. and a vaccine is found..
How about the proposals in the top post for what happens next, and how we should be preparing for that. Any thoughts?
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
You really have no idea what is happening. To start with, a vaccination has already been formulated and it is already being tested... it takes 6 months to a year to test it and get it approved, all the red tape, but the vaccination already exists. And this should be obvious when you stop and think what a vaccination is; it is just the disease applied in a small dose, to give our immune systems a jump start on tackling the beast... it is always going to be our immune systems that heal us, or fails to heal us.

Trump is the president, a president in the midst of an election year, running for re-election, no less. So, obviously he wants the economy rejuvenated. And obviously you want the economy to continue to decline, because you are a Democratic hack, all you care is that a Dem wins in November. So you write all these attack pieces, same as the Democratic/liberal press. And it is pure rubbish, it is your propaganda for the Dem party, it is absolute lunacy as far as analysis of economic policy; you actually want the economy to fail, so we at least know what not to do for the economy; we sure as heck will not take your advice.
Directly the opposite. The post sets forth proposals to do this right so that the economy can be opened up, and proposes things to make that happen in an optimal way. You just ignore everything I said and lie about me supposedly wanting the economy to fail. That’s just sheer idiocy.

If you can lift yourself beyond idiocy and can comment on my actual proposals, give it a shot.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
How about the proposals in the top post for what happens next, and how we should be preparing for that. Any thoughts?
there's nothing impeding efforts to flatten the curve. Stay home. That simple. Wash hands, dont cough..etc

what is hindered is treatment of the affected and identification of infected.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
And....
No pandemic
No market crash
No 3Million new claims for unemployment in one week
No complaints that the President wasn't handling things well
and tons of right wing bullshit trying to blame Obama for it while the system worked smoothly.
I have given up on trying to educate the “it’s just like the flu” crowd. COVID-19 is far more contagious, there is no vaccine or approved therapy, and it requires hospitalization of 15% of its victims, failing which they will die. Even with fully functioning hospitals it kills a far greater percentage of victims than does the flu, and the overwhelming of the hospitals will no doubt also increase the fatalities among those suffering from other diseases and injuries.

But Trump told them early on it’s “just like the flu,” and their cultism prevents them from listening to the facts.
 
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Bugsy McGurk

President
there's nothing impeding efforts to flatten the curve. Stay home. That simple. Wash hands, dont cough..etc

what is hindered is treatment of the affected and identification of infected.
Yes. Please read my post. The topic goes beyond the “flatten the curve” phase and discusses what happens thereafter, and how to best prepare for the “next” phase.
 

Days

Commentator
I have given up on trying to educate the “it’s just like the flu” crowd. COVID-19 is far more contagious, there is no vaccine or approved therapy, and it requires hospitalization of 15% of its victims, failing which they will die.

But Trump told them early on it’s “just like the flu,” and their cultism prevents them from listening to the facts.
Brother, can you lend me a jack-hammer? When do you begin listening?

1) The vaccine already exists and is in testing.

2) The virus is another strain of the SARS flu.

3) Therapy exists, what on earth do you think happens in hospitals?

4) The mortality rate (a guesstimate at this point in time) is 2-3%, not 15%. And those are happening in the hospitals.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
That’s not going to happen but, regardless, does that mean that you disagree with the proposals in the top post?

what's not going to happen? how do you know?

it may become like the flu, it may not
it may mutate and go away.. it may not.
we may find a vaccine, we may not.

you have no idea, neither do i.

masks, etc.. yes. we will have to prepare. which we are
 

Days

Commentator
It's the same thing tha people have been doing for as long as there were pandemics, isolating themsleves and their communities. Read up on pandemics and see who people dealt with it. Nothing is new.
The concept and practice is not new... however, this is the first time government is mandating social distancing, it is actually law, now. Did you know a cop can write you a ticket for standing closer than 6 feet to another person in public? Technically, it is now against the law to walk hand in hand down the street with your sweetheart.
 
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