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Libbers like to say everyone should pay their fair share in taxes

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but what they really mean is that their constituants should pay nothing while supporting and voting for an every bigger piece of the federal coffers. They are common crooks and amount to nothing more than Human debris. Hey libbers, stop worrying about how much those of US who are successful are paying and look at your own freeloading selves:
Almost half of Americans won’t pay federal income tax
https://nypost.com/2017/04/18/almost-half-of-americans-wont-pay-federal-income-tax/

Trump promised to release his tax returns. Let me know when he does. He may well be one of those common crooks you are talking about.

While you are at it...tell me what federal welfare programs you are aware of. SS? Nah...people paid into SS and are retired and collecting their own money. Medicaid? Really? You think people who can't afford medical care should just do without? Foodstamps? Do you know what percentage of the people collecting foodstamps are children? Most of them.

So what federal program do you want to say is paying money to freeloaders? Be specific...
 
Trump promised to release his tax returns. Let me know when he does. He may well be one of those common crooks you are talking about.

While you are at it...tell me what federal welfare programs you are aware of. SS? Nah...people paid into SS and are retired and collecting their own money. Medicaid? Really? You think people who can't afford medical care should just do without? Foodstamps? Do you know what percentage of the people collecting foodstamps are children? Most of them.

So what federal program do you want to say is paying money to freeloaders? Be specific...
Well, all of them to include SS which as you know with people living longer they are collecting far more than they paid in. Every program that distributes funds to an individual or entity for which no good or service is provided in exchange needs to be eliminated now. Either that or charge all of US the same tax rate on each and every dollar obtained with no deductions. loopholes or exemptions.
 
Well, all of them to include SS which as you know with people living longer they are collecting far more than they paid in. Every program that distributes funds to an individual or entity for which no good or service is provided in exchange needs to be eliminated now. Either that or charge all of US the same tax rate on each and every dollar obtained with no deductions. loopholes or exemptions.

for every one that lives long enough to collect more than they paid in, 4 or 5 die before age to collect and never draw a penny.............my SS form for taxes came today......I paid over $2,000 for Medicare and never used it in 2017 (didn't want it, but, it's mandatory).......

2018 I may as well go to doctor like dem/libs om freebie OCare rather I need to or not to get what I must pay for.........hell, get me one them $6,000 electric wheelchairs, special pillows, compression socks and a damn hot tub.....now we smoking.........

nah, not unless needed, can't be that low
 
Trump promised to release his tax returns. Let me know when he does. He may well be one of those common crooks you are talking about.

While you are at it...tell me what federal welfare programs you are aware of. SS? Nah...people paid into SS and are retired and collecting their own money. Medicaid? Really? You think people who can't afford medical care should just do without? Foodstamps? Do you know what percentage of the people collecting foodstamps are children? Most of them.

So what federal program do you want to say is paying money to freeloaders? Be specific...

This is one of the more entertaining points people like to make. They say on one hand that Trump won't release his tax returns because it will show he doesn't pay any taxes. Then on the other the same people say Trump benefits the most from the new tax plan.

How does a guy that doesn't pay taxes benefit the most from the new tax plan?

crazy.

That being said, he should show his taxes and the rich should not have gotten any tax cuts.
 
This is one of the more entertaining points people like to make. They say on one hand that Trump won't release his tax returns because it will show he doesn't pay any taxes. Then on the other the same people say Trump benefits the most from the new tax plan.

How does a guy that doesn't pay taxes benefit the most from the new tax plan?

crazy.

That being said, he should show his taxes and the rich should not have gotten any tax cuts.
just a distraction from the facts that most of the democrats pay either 0 in federal income taxes or actually get paid back from credits. It is no wonder the human debris keeps voting for a larger and larger piece of the the coffers, they know they will not have any consequences
 
Trump promised to release his tax returns. Let me know when he does. He may well be one of those common crooks you are talking about.

While you are at it...tell me what federal welfare programs you are aware of. SS? Nah...people paid into SS and are retired and collecting their own money. Medicaid? Really? You think people who can't afford medical care should just do without? Foodstamps? Do you know what percentage of the people collecting foodstamps are children? Most of them.

So what federal program do you want to say is paying money to freeloaders? Be specific...

"Trump promised to release his tax returns. Let me know when he does. He may well be one of those common crooks you are talking about."

Being you know he has not shown you his tax returns, which as you state means that He may well be one of those common crooks RT was talking about, SURELY you must ALSO know it means he may NOT be one as well, correct? So why the need to present us with one possibility and leave out the other? Hummmmmmmm...

"While you are at it...tell me what federal welfare programs you are aware of. SS? Nah...people paid into SS and are retired and collecting their own money."

Not entirely accurate my friend.

While there is no doubt this IS how SS was originally intended and run it morphed into so much more decades ago. It is true that initially people paid into SS and then retired and collected their own money. But soon it changed to where the spouses of those who paid could also collect their money. And then later the children of those who paid were allowed to collect a SS check when the one who paid died, was disabled or disappeared. Still later people who came here later in life were allowed to collect SS at retirement age even if they had not lived here and paid SS during the vast years they were of working and paying in age.

Whose monies were/are these people collecting?

"Medicaid? Really? You think people who can't afford medical care should just do without?"

Do you have an argument explaining how this is not a government redistribution of wealth? An actual intellectual one, leaving emotions and feigned morals out is there something you can offer to explain how these types of programs are actually funded? Those we can all agree are worthy and necessary as well as those we may disagree with, all of them.

"Foodstamps? Do you know what percentage of the people collecting foodstamps are children? Most of them."

Same as above. Agreed, most worthy and absolutely necessary, in most cases, but still, by definition a "giveaway".

"So what federal program do you want to say is paying money to freeloaders? Be specific..."

Trying to justify the government taking money from one and using it to give something to another by refusing to address it for what it is doesn't work, sport, sorry. Things are what they are, they can't just be called something else in order to make it easier to support and defend them. I, like you, find some of these necessary and even noble. However trying to make it evil to call them what they are is demeaning. If one is receiving a home, food, clothing, transportation, health care, an education etc. all of which are funded by tax monies paid by others but not themselves, basically for "free", wellllll......... they may just have to accept that some of the others paying for the "free" stuff may at some point want to label them as "free"loaders or some other less than flattering term.

Still a small price to pay as compared to paying money to supply these things for yourself AND all of those who qualify for "help" from others.
 
but what they really mean is that their constituants should pay nothing while supporting and voting for an every bigger piece of the federal coffers. They are common crooks and amount to nothing more than Human debris. Hey libbers, stop worrying about how much those of US who are successful are paying and look at your own freeloading selves:
Almost half of Americans won’t pay federal income tax
https://nypost.com/2017/04/18/almost-half-of-americans-wont-pay-federal-income-tax/
Why do you believe parasites like these deserve more wealth?
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"Charles Koch donated $500K to Ryan days after GOP tax plan passed"
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...d-500k-to-ryan-days-after-gop-tax-plan-passed
 
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"Trump promised to release his tax returns. Let me know when he does. He may well be one of those common crooks you are talking about."

Being you know he has not shown you his tax returns, which as you state means that He may well be one of those common crooks RT was talking about, SURELY you must ALSO know it means he may NOT be one as well, correct? So why the need to present us with one possibility and leave out the other? Hummmmmmmm...

"While you are at it...tell me what federal welfare programs you are aware of. SS? Nah...people paid into SS and are retired and collecting their own money."

Not entirely accurate my friend.

While there is no doubt this IS how SS was originally intended and run it morphed into so much more decades ago. It is true that initially people paid into SS and then retired and collected their own money. But soon it changed to where the spouses of those who paid could also collect their money. And then later the children of those who paid were allowed to collect a SS check when the one who paid died, was disabled or disappeared. Still later people who came here later in life were allowed to collect SS at retirement age even if they had not lived here and paid SS during the vast years they were of working and paying in age.

Whose monies were/are these people collecting?

"Medicaid? Really? You think people who can't afford medical care should just do without?"

Do you have an argument explaining how this is not a government redistribution of wealth? An actual intellectual one, leaving emotions and feigned morals out is there something you can offer to explain how these types of programs are actually funded? Those we can all agree are worthy and necessary as well as those we may disagree with, all of them.

"Foodstamps? Do you know what percentage of the people collecting foodstamps are children? Most of them."

Same as above. Agreed, most worthy and absolutely necessary, in most cases, but still, by definition a "giveaway".

"So what federal program do you want to say is paying money to freeloaders? Be specific..."

Trying to justify the government taking money from one and using it to give something to another by refusing to address it for what it is doesn't work, sport, sorry. Things are what they are, they can't just be called something else in order to make it easier to support and defend them. I, like you, find some of these necessary and even noble. However trying to make it evil to call them what they are is demeaning. If one is receiving a home, food, clothing, transportation, health care, an education etc. all of which are funded by tax monies paid by others but not themselves, basically for "free", wellllll......... they may just have to accept that some of the others paying for the "free" stuff may at some point want to label them as "free"loaders or some other less than flattering term.

Still a small price to pay as compared to paying money to supply these things for yourself AND all of those who qualify for "help" from others.

So children going to public schools are freeloaders. Got it. I don't care what you call it. Your attitude towards some services provided by government is amusing at best.
Yes, poor people have children. Yes the working poor cannot afford health insurance.
Yes there are people who cannot afford food and housing....and yes, some retirees do manage to live long enough to actually be paid more in SS than they paid in...although those days are largely gone. I suppose we could cut people off when they have received all they paid in and interest....My dad is 91. I'm not exactly sure what he'd do without the few hundred bucks he gets every month. The SS system is on rocky ground. I don't have a good solution, but terminating it isn't a solution at all.

The real point about you wanting to argue semantics is that radical groups over the years have used language to diminish the value of human beings. Calling those who receive government benefits "freeloaders" or crooks is just one way to identify them as the enemy. Are veterans receiving free health care "freeloaders"?

The justification for some programs is obvious. It would devastate the economy to do away with public education. To privatize schools would render the majority of those who couldn't afford school to an economic class only suited for menial labor...or crime.
To do away with EBT would leave us with malnourished children. That is reality.
If we cut off SS, Medicare and Medicaid...we would not see a huge change in motivation for the former recipients to go get jobs...the jobs aren't there. We would just see a huge increase in poverty and homelessness.

There are countries with no safety nets. Try going there to live. I think those are the places Trump called shitholes.
 
This is one of the more entertaining points people like to make. They say on one hand that Trump won't release his tax returns because it will show he doesn't pay any taxes. Then on the other the same people say Trump benefits the most from the new tax plan.

How does a guy that doesn't pay taxes benefit the most from the new tax plan?

crazy.

That being said, he should show his taxes and the rich should not have gotten any tax cuts.

I'm glad you are entertained. In fact we know that if estate taxes go away...it could be true that Trump will benefit as well as it could be that he pays little or no income taxes as it is.

We could only hope he keeps his promise so we'd know.
 
Well, all of them to include SS which as you know with people living longer they are collecting far more than they paid in. Every program that distributes funds to an individual or entity for which no good or service is provided in exchange needs to be eliminated now. Either that or charge all of US the same tax rate on each and every dollar obtained with no deductions. loopholes or exemptions.

So let's get rid of the VA system...no more health care for those free loading veterans...no more public school system or grants for research into things like Alzheimer's...If you don't make enough money to pay for your own health insurance...pray you don't get sick....

By the way...with 50 million without insurance before the ACA...how many will be without once we kill off medicare, Medicaid and Tri-care? What would the probability be of a huge outbreak of something like, oh...I dunno....Spanish Flu? In 1918 there were 12,000 deaths from flu in Philadelphia alone.

http://www.philly.com/philly/health...of-1918-my-aunt-was-one-of-them-20180125.html

The law of unintended consequences applies.
 
economists generally agree on the following

  • the most sensible/effective taxation is MINIMAL corporate taxation and most revenues coming from payroll/income taxes. This acts as an incentive for corporations to build factories/laboratories in a country and employ the citizens of that nation.
  • individual income taxes should be graduated/progressive, not "flat"
  • sales taxes are regressive, and generally hurt the poor who must spend virtually all their disposable income on necessities.
  • Places like NYC are an anathema: They have the highest sales taxes, city income taxes, state income taxes, real estate taxes, and nuisance fees/permits for ordinary activities like home improvements/electrical+plumbing upgrades/parking/airport use/mass transit/business licenses/inspections, etc.
 
economists generally agree on the following

  • the most sensible/effective taxation is MINIMAL corporate taxation and most revenues coming from payroll/income taxes. This acts as an incentive for corporations to build factories/laboratories in a country and employ the citizens of that nation.
  • individual income taxes should be graduated/progressive, not "flat"
  • sales taxes are regressive, and generally hurt the poor who must spend virtually all their disposable income on necessities.
  • Places like NYC are an anathema: They have the highest sales taxes, city income taxes, state income taxes, real estate taxes, and nuisance fees/permits for ordinary activities like home improvements/electrical+plumbing upgrades/parking/airport use/mass transit/business licenses/inspections, etc.

I'm not quite sure of your logic with regard to corporate taxes vs personal income taxes. If Toyota made their cars in Malaysia and the only employees they had were either there or Japan...why would no or low corporate taxes encourage them to move manufacturing here?

There must be some incentive to produce in one country vs another. If their Malaysian workers make $10 per day then the product is cheaper. If they move production to the US then they are paying quite a bit more and the price of the product goes up.
 
I'm glad you are entertained. In fact we know that if estate taxes go away...it could be true that Trump will benefit as well as it could be that he pays little or no income taxes as it is.

We could only hope he keeps his promise so we'd know.

When will you show your fast food joints taxes
both books
 
So let's get rid of the VA system...no more health care for those free loading veterans...no more public school system or grants for research into things like Alzheimer's...If you don't make enough money to pay for your own health insurance...pray you don't get sick....

By the way...with 50 million without insurance before the ACA...how many will be without once we kill off medicare, Medicaid and Tri-care? What would the probability be of a huge outbreak of something like, oh...I dunno....Spanish Flu? In 1918 there were 12,000 deaths from flu in Philadelphia alone.

http://www.philly.com/philly/health...of-1918-my-aunt-was-one-of-them-20180125.html

The law of unintended consequences applies.
AH, I did say for which no goods or service was provided. Last time I checked VETS provided the ultimate service. Nice try to rationalize and justify your freeloader class.
 
AH, I did say for which no goods or service was provided. Last time I checked VETS provided the ultimate service. Nice try to rationalize and justify your freeloader class.

I am a vet. I pay well over $100,000 in taxes, personally and for the business, each year.
I pay the max amount for SS and Medicare. Calling me a freeloader is simply stupidity on your part.

So now you are allowing for past service to justify current free care. Got it. What about the people who have paid into SS their entire working lives? Their past payments don't count...so you want to kill off SS and Medicare. Got it.

What about all those people who work but don't make enough to be able to afford health care insurance? The bottom line is that the federal subsidy to make health insurance affordable is also subsidizing businesses who need minimum wage employees to provide a service or product that you wouldn't buy if it cost more...Like Walmart....

So now we are down to talking about food stamps to the unemployed, medicaid...What else?

PS. When I was in the military I could qualify for food stamps.
 
I am a vet. I pay well over $100,000 in taxes, personally and for the business, each year.
I pay the max amount for SS and Medicare. Calling me a freeloader is simply stupidity on your part.

So now you are allowing for past service to justify current free care. Got it. What about the people who have paid into SS their entire working lives? Their past payments don't count...so you want to kill off SS and Medicare. Got it.

What about all those people who work but don't make enough to be able to afford health care insurance? The bottom line is that the federal subsidy to make health insurance affordable is also subsidizing businesses who need minimum wage employees to provide a service or product that you wouldn't buy if it cost more...Like Walmart....

So now we are down to talking about food stamps to the unemployed, medicaid...What else?

PS. When I was in the military I could qualify for food stamps.

Sure you pay $100,000 :) while posting in PJ 24/7!
Why in hell would a sailor aboard ship need damn food stamps..............?
 
I am a vet. I pay well over $100,000 in taxes, personally and for the business, each year.
I pay the max amount for SS and Medicare. Calling me a freeloader is simply stupidity on your part.

So now you are allowing for past service to justify current free care. Got it. What about the people who have paid into SS their entire working lives? Their past payments don't count...so you want to kill off SS and Medicare. Got it.

What about all those people who work but don't make enough to be able to afford health care insurance? The bottom line is that the federal subsidy to make health insurance affordable is also subsidizing businesses who need minimum wage employees to provide a service or product that you wouldn't buy if it cost more...Like Walmart....

So now we are down to talking about food stamps to the unemployed, medicaid...What else?

PS. When I was in the military I could qualify for food stamps.
no free ride for which no good or service was provided. And your healthcare for minimum wagers is a fallacy especially when it comes at others expense
 
no free ride for which no good or service was provided. And your healthcare for minimum wagers is a fallacy especially when it comes at others expense

Their minimum wage jobs subsidize your purchases at fast food restaurants, Walmart, movie theaters, the liquor store....and on and on.

How is it that health care subsidies are a fallacy?
 
Their minimum wage jobs subsidize your purchases at fast food restaurants, Walmart, movie theaters, the liquor store....and on and on.

How is it that health care subsidies are a fallacy?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs. Kids and young adults in school are on their parents insurance. By stealing from those of US who pay our own way and giving it to those who do not enables them to stay in their station (obvious by democrats policies an tax laws). So the real question is why do you, your fellow libbers and the democrat party as a whole hate the poor and minorities?
fallacy due to you give (with strings and enslavement) while take from others.
 
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