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England and Australia count their gun deaths in a few dozens and we count ours in many thousands. Where do you think your odds of dying by the gun are the greatest?
 
England and Australia count their gun deaths in a few dozens and we count ours in many thousands. Where do you think your odds of dying by the gun are the greatest?

Yep, and we count our population in the 100's of millions, they count theirs in the 10's.

Ant their gun deaths have steadily increased as gun bans were made tighter and tighter.

But if you think that criminals having guns while disarming law abiding people is a good idea...you MUST be a liberal
 
Yep, and we count our population in the 100's of millions, they count theirs in the 10's.

Ant their gun deaths have steadily increased as gun bans were made tighter and tighter.

But if you think that criminals having guns while disarming law abiding people is a good idea...you MUST be a liberal

Population? We are 5% of the world and have 50% of the guns. Europe as a whole has more population as we do. You aren't telling the truth about gun deaths in other countries either. Aren't you against BC's and gun show loop holes closing? Do you believe a private seller should be able to sell a gun to anyone without a BC? You are against registration. You are against any banes. Seem to be for arming criminals. You must be a conservative.
 
Yep, and we count our population in the 100's of millions, they count theirs in the 10's.

Ant their gun deaths have steadily increased as gun bans were made tighter and tighter.

But if you think that criminals having guns while disarming law abiding people is a good idea...you MUST be a liberal


hmmmm...


In Australia, annual deaths resulting from firearms total

2010: 231[SUP]12[/SUP]
2009: 224[SUP]13[/SUP]
2008: 225[SUP]14[/SUP]
2007: 404[SUP]15[/SUP] [SUP]16[/SUP]
2006: 229[SUP]17[/SUP]
2003: 287[SUP]18[/SUP]
2002: 293
2001: 326
2000: 324
1999: 347
1998: 312
1997: 428
1996: 516
1995: 470
1994: 516
1993: 513
1992: 608
1991: 618
1990: 595
1989: 549
1988: 674
1987: 694
1986: 677
1985: 682
1984: 675
1983: 644
1982: 689
1981: 618
1980: 687
1979: 685

In Australia, annual firearm homicides total

2009: 30[SUP]20[/SUP]
2008: 19[SUP]24[/SUP] [SUP]20[/SUP]
2007: 25
2006: 29
2005: 40[SUP]24[/SUP] [SUP]20[/SUP] [SUP]25[/SUP]
2004: 32[SUP]20[/SUP]
2003: 54[SUP]26[/SUP] [SUP]20[/SUP]
2002: 45
2001: 47
2000: 57
1999: 50
1998: 57
1997: 79
1996: 104
1995: 67
1994: 76[SUP]26[/SUP]
1993: 64
1992: 96
1991: 84
1990: 79
1989: 80



http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia
 
From your posts i would guess you have around 20 guns in your home Sarge. I'll wager you're more likely to be killed by one of them, than you are to be killed by a terrorist or criminal with a gun.
 
England and Australia count their gun deaths in a few dozens and we count ours in many thousands. Where do you think your odds of dying by the gun are the greatest?

Unless you are young and a criminal (especially if you are Black) your chances of being murder victim is along the lines of winning the lottery.
 
Yep, and we count our population in the 100's of millions, they count theirs in the 10's.

Ant their gun deaths have steadily increased as gun bans were made tighter and tighter.

But if you think that criminals having guns while disarming law abiding people is a good idea...you MUST be a liberal

Doesn't sound to me like hardly any of these people were hard core criminals. The truth is that the laws have not been followed, they were not enforced as I see it.

I'm sure the results would be the same here, as the NRA members wouldn't turn their guns in. It would take a 100 years right now to rid us of our problem, and only if those who are tasked with the job took it seriously.
But not allowing 15/30/50/100 mags for sale by gun and amo makers would be more of a thought. We will never stop people who want to kill, so should we not try to at least slow it down?
 
30,000 Americans are killed yearly from guns, I doubt that 30,000 win the lottery each year. And they sell about 500 times as many tickets as we have guns.
 
30,000 Americans are killed yearly from guns, I doubt that 30,000 win the lottery each year. And they sell about 500 times as many tickets as we have guns.

Well Mr. Sucky McComprehensionson, we are discussing deaths from criminal use of guns which represent less than half of your number . . .

Let's run through this OK?

I'll make it as simple as I can.

Understand these are real numbers, you will be viewing screengrabs from a government agency so they will probably be different from any you have garnered from Brady or dailyKos or ThinkProgress or Mother Jones etc . . .

So, just to be clear, my statement (that you quoted) was, "Unless you are young and a criminal (especially if you are Black) your chances of being murder victim is along the lines of winning the lottery."

Let's examine the data from the CDC:

For 2007 the total firearm homicide number and rate:

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Number and rate for all Blacks (both sexes, all ages):

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Number and rate for all Whites (both sexes, all ages):

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Number and rate for Blacks aged 14 to 24:

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Number and rate for Whites aged 14 to 24:

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In 2007 police started a new initiative to solve murders; looking at victims as if they were suspects because victims life choices were causative in their deaths (emphasis added because I know you won't actually read it):


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"Understanding victims' pasts is critical to driving crime back down, police and crime analysts say. "If you are trying to look at prevention, you need to look at the lives of the people involved," says Mallory O'Brien, director of the Homicide Review Commission in Milwaukee.

In Baltimore, about 91% of murder victims this year had criminal records, up from 74% a decade ago, police reported.

In many cases, says Frederick Bealefeld III, Baltimore's interim police commissioner, victims' rap sheets provide critical links to potential suspects in botched drug deals or violent territorial disputes.

Philadelphia police Capt. Ben Naish says the Baltimore numbers are "shocking." Philadelphia also has seen the number of victims with criminal pasts inch up — to 75% this year from 71% in 2005.

In Milwaukee, local leaders created the homicide commission after a spike in violence led to a 39% increase in murders in 2005. The group compiled statistics on victims' criminal histories for the first time and found that 77% of homicide victims in the past two years had an average of nearly 12 arrests.

While it was common in the past for murder victims to have criminal records, the current levels are surprising even to analysts who study homicides.

"Anecdotally, the detectives on the street knew" victims with prior police contact were being killed, "but we wanted people to start to look at this" in the community, O'Brien says.

In Newark, . . . 85% of victims killed in the first six months of this year had criminal records, on par with the percentage in 2005 but up from 81% last year, police statistics show.

David Kennedy, a professor at New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says the rise in criminals killing criminals has escaped policymakers' attention.

"The notion that these (murders) are random bolts of lightning, which is the commonly held image, is not the reality," says Kennedy, who has examined the backgrounds of murder suspects and victims in multiple U.S. cities. "It happens, but it doesn't happen often."

The slaying of truly innocent victims is so unusual in Baltimore that the chief prosecutor says the city has become dangerously numb to the carnage. "If we don't put human faces on the victims, we will become desensitized," State Attorney Patricia Jessamy says."

USAToday

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All in all, I stake my statement as far closer to the truth than yours . . . and I was being facetious, LOL.

If I had only added, "in a big city" than I would have achieved total debate perfection . . . Oh well, close enough.
 
And hundreds times better if you are in England or Australia.

Not really but don't let that stop you with your hair-on-fire exagerations.

Here, just like there there is a certain segment of the population which operate as a chronic criminal underclass and nearly entirely responsible for violent crime, especially homicide.

In England you have the Yardies, in Australia there's the Lebanese and various and assorted Indonesians.

I have no problem showing my numbers and where I get them, howsabout you show where the US homicide rate (gun or whatever weapon) is hundreds of times that of Australia or the UK.

Good luck finding what the UK rate actually is, Ireland is always excised out and the "Enland and Wales" number is bandied about . . .

Sure wish I could excise certain jurisdictions from the US numbers LOL.

Whatever . . .Just show where anything is "hundreds" of anything (other than your BS depth) or just go away.
 
Here are some interesting statistics from yesterday's Chicago Tribune regarding the 500 murders that have happened in Chicago:

As of this past Thursday, 500 people were murdered in the city of Chicago.

83% of those murdered in Chicago last year had criminal records. (415.)

60% of those murdered in Chicago had known gang affiliations and multiple arrests and convictions. (300)

2% of those murdered in Chicago were kids under 10 years of age. (10 kids.)

Is this the "Chicago" that Obama referred to last week when he said the city represents the "best of America?" Gang bangers and convicted criminals killing each other in that Democrat Gun Control Utopia but Criminal Hellhole called Obama's (and Rahm's) Chicago?

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Not really but don't let that stop you with your hair-on-fire exagerations.

Here, just like there there is a certain segment of the population which operate as a chronic criminal underclass and nearly entirely responsible for violent crime, especially homicide.

In England you have the Yardies, in Australia there's the Lebanese and various and assorted Indonesians.

I have no problem showing my numbers and where I get them, howsabout you show where the US homicide rate (gun or whatever weapon) is hundreds of times that of Australia or the UK.

Good luck finding what the UK rate actually is, Ireland is always excised out and the "Enland and Wales" number is bandied about . . .

Sure wish I could excise certain jurisdictions from the US numbers LOL.

Whatever . . .Just show where anything is "hundreds" of anything (other than your BS depth) or just go away.

According to this source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Homicide rate by firearms per 100,000:
U.S : 3.7
Australia: 0.09
U.K : .04

U.S rate is 41 times higher than Australia and 92 times higher rate the U.K. Certainly not "hundreds" times larger, but still large.

BTW, according to your data the odds of being murdered by a firearm are 1 in 23,809. The odds of winning the Powerball Jackpot are 1 in 175,223,510. The odds of winning the $100 prize is 1 in 15,665, which is in the ballpark of being murdered by a gun. http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_prizes.asp
 
Sarge, most of the gun crime, in the UK, is caused by black gang members killing other black gang members - it's a cultural thing, apparently, though restricted to english cities. In Scotland, it's mostly white gang members killing other white gang members.
 
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