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Mass detention of citizens, illegal searches. Aurora, CO. June 2012

WhistleBlower

Council Member
here's an event that is going to have some people appalled with the aurora police and some applauding them. since they actually caught the bank robber without any civilians getting hurt, they are to be commended for the success of the operation, but i do think the validity of the procedure needs to be questioned.

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[video]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/06/police-stop-handcuff-every-adult-at-intersection-in-search-for-bank-robber/[/video]

[video]http://news.yahoo.com/video/denvercbs4-15750663/aurora-police-chief-describes-wild-search-for-bank-robber-29561750.html[/video]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Police-State-USA-Land-of-the-Checkpoints/165801456790697
 
The DAY is a comming.....

Free peoples will not continue to accept such treatment.

The DAY is comming....
 
Isn'r Colorado one of the states where the poeple have a legal right to shoot police if they do something illegal, like break down the door on the wrong house?
 
The police do that in the South Side of Chicago, and those police loose their jobs, some possibly even sued or imprisoned.....

WHERE IS ERIC HOLDER?????????????????????????????
 
Isn'r Colorado one of the states where the poeple have a legal right to shoot police if they do something illegal, like break down the door on the wrong house?

that would certainly be a tough spot to be in..the police are going to claim, {even if its a lie} that they announced they are police before entering, then again inside, that they only fired in self defense, and that since they are trained observers, and represent the law, who you gonna believe? trained observers, that have taken an oath to uphold the law, that all say the same thing {truth be damned} or this guy who just killed a policeman during the legal entry of a home they "thought" they had a legal right to enter...tough defense,,as stacked against you as it gets...you would be in a better position if you killed them one at a time as they entered, and your story was the only one. eitherway, you better have a butt-load of money....
 
Are they profiling.... WHITE PEOPLE???

Egads, what is the world coming to???
there was no profiling. they had a report that a bank robber was stuck in traffic at a light and they shut down the street searching all the cars until they found the robber.

as it is, the city of aurora has exposed itself to a large potential financial liability if the people jacked up want to sue for unlawful detention.
 
here's an event that is going to have some people appalled with the aurora police and some applauding them. since they actually caught the bank robber without any civilians getting hurt, they are to be commended for the success of the operation, but i do think the validity of the procedure needs to be questioned.

asphotos.xx.fbcdn.net_hphotos_prn1_s480x480_554728_392755290761978_704060660_n.jpg

[video]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/06/police-stop-handcuff-every-adult-at-intersection-in-search-for-bank-robber/[/video]

[video]http://news.yahoo.com/video/denvercbs4-15750663/aurora-police-chief-describes-wild-search-for-bank-robber-29561750.html[/video]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Police-State-USA-Land-of-the-Checkpoints/165801456790697

I wouldn't have given permission to search my car. You make me get out of my car, handcuff me, then ask me for permission? [Unwelcome language removed] you.
 
that would certainly be a tough spot to be in..the police are going to claim, {even if its a lie} that they announced they are police before entering, then again inside, that they only fired in self defense, and that since they are trained observers, and represent the law, who you gonna believe? trained observers, that have taken an oath to uphold the law, that all say the same thing {truth be damned} or this guy who just killed a policeman during the legal entry of a home they "thought" they had a legal right to enter...tough defense,,as stacked against you as it gets...you would be in a better position if you killed them one at a time as they entered, and your story was the only one. eitherway, you better have a butt-load of money....

Donald Scott

Age 62 at the time of his death at his home in Malibu, CA. on October 2, 1992.

Scott and his wife, Frances Plante, were awakened by violent pounding at the door on the morning of October 2, 1992. As Frances attempted to open the door, a narcotics task force from the LA County Sheriff's Dept. burst into the home, weapons in hand.

Frances was pushed forcefully from the door at gun point. She cried out, "Don't shoot me, don't kill me!" With a gun aimed at her head, Frances looked to her right and saw Donald charging into the room, waving a revolver above his head. She heard a deputy shout, "Put the gun down! Put the gun down! Put the gun down!" As Scott was doing so, Frances heard three gun shots ring out, apparently from two sources.

Her husband was killed instantly.

Scott was a millionaire who owned 250 acres of breathtakingly beautiful land that was adjacent to federal park lands. Attempts had been made by the feds to buy the property, but Scott was not interested in selling. Claims that there might be pot growing on the land, made by agents who did aerial surveillance, were used to get a search warrant.

An official inquiry suggested that agents had hoped this raid would lead to asset forfeiture of the property Scott would not sell. The coroner's report listed the cause of death as a homicide. No marijuana was found. Scott did not even smoke it. In January, 2000, the Scott family won a $5 million wrongful death settlement from the government over the shooting.


Esequiel Hernandez
May 14, 1979 - May 20, 1997
The first US citizen killed by military troops on US soil since 1970, when students were killed by National Guard troops at a Kent State University Vietnam War protest.

Esequiel 'Zeke' Hernandez, born and raised in Texas, was considered one of Redford's "best and the brightest" with aspirations of becoming a game warden or park ranger. He was only eighteen years old at the time of his death, in the isolated border town of Redford, Texas (with a population of almost 100).

Esequiel was born the year before Ronald Reagan was elected President. Prior to Reagan's administration, the Posse Comitatus Act had prevented active duty military troops from engaging in domestic law enforcement. During his term it was amended to allow troops to be on patrol in the Drug War at home.

Zeke was tending his family goat herd when he was shot by 22-year-old Marine Corporal Banuelos, who was part of the Joint Task Force Six, a military unit assigned to anti-drug operations. The Marines, dressed in camouflage battle fatigues, were hiding in the bushes looking for drug smugglers.

While tending the goats, Zeke carried a rifle that his grandfather had given him to use to protect the goats from snakes and wild animals. The marines claim that he fired two shots in their direction, and upon seeing him raise his rifle again, Banuelos fired the fatal shot from an M-16. Townspeople claim they only heard one shot. The autopsy showed that Esequiel was not facing Banuelos when he was killed. He lay bleeding on the ground unattended for twenty minutes before he died.

The townspeople had no idea that Marines were patrolling the area in camouflaged outfits known as 'ghillie suits,' which make them virtually invisible to the unknowing eye. They have been traumatized by the event. Children are afraid to go out and play. Adults are afraid to take an evening stroll. People do not believe that the area is a major drug smuggling route, and they're uncomfortable with having Marines, who are trained to kill, on ground patrol in their backyards or flying low in helicopters that scare goats and people.

Normally when dealing with such traumatic events, the government sends in counselors to help people cope with the situation. But the town of Redford received no help. In fact, the government has not even apologized to Zeke's family. It has not admitted any mistakes, and has not cleared Esequiel of any wrongdoing. However, in January, 1998, it was announced that no charges would be filed against the Marine who killed him. Esequiel's family won a wrongful death suit against the government.
 
Yeah, true, so should all the people ever "detained" at a sobriety checkpoint.

apples and oranges.

these people were taken out of their cars, handcuffed and their vehicles searched without being told why and with no history of something like that being done at that or any other intersection in aurora.

people 'detained' at a sobriety checkpoint haven't been much more than inconvenienced. these people were cuffed and searched. the 4th amendment clearly prohibits such warrantless actions.
 
No, you're wrong. If there's reasonable belief the thief is limited to an area containing only these 19 cars, they can be stopped and detained (not under arrest) until officers determine whether the robber is among them- and then no longer. If that's what happened, there is no constitutional violation.
 
Donald Scott

Age 62 at the time of his death at his home in Malibu, CA. on October 2, 1992.

Scott and his wife, Frances Plante, were awakened by violent pounding at the door on the morning of October 2, 1992. As Frances attempted to open the door, a narcotics task force from the LA County Sheriff's Dept. burst into the home, weapons in hand.

Frances was pushed forcefully from the door at gun point. She cried out, "Don't shoot me, don't kill me!" With a gun aimed at her head, Frances looked to her right and saw Donald charging into the room, waving a revolver above his head. She heard a deputy shout, "Put the gun down! Put the gun down! Put the gun down!" As Scott was doing so, Frances heard three gun shots ring out, apparently from two sources.

Her husband was killed instantly.

Scott was a millionaire who owned 250 acres of breathtakingly beautiful land that was adjacent to federal park lands. Attempts had been made by the feds to buy the property, but Scott was not interested in selling. Claims that there might be pot growing on the land, made by agents who did aerial surveillance, were used to get a search warrant.

An official inquiry suggested that agents had hoped this raid would lead to asset forfeiture of the property Scott would not sell. The coroner's report listed the cause of death as a homicide. No marijuana was found. Scott did not even smoke it. In January, 2000, the Scott family won a $5 million wrongful death settlement from the government over the shooting.


Esequiel Hernandez
May 14, 1979 - May 20, 1997
The first US citizen killed by military troops on US soil since 1970, when students were killed by National Guard troops at a Kent State University Vietnam War protest.

Esequiel 'Zeke' Hernandez, born and raised in Texas, was considered one of Redford's "best and the brightest" with aspirations of becoming a game warden or park ranger. He was only eighteen years old at the time of his death, in the isolated border town of Redford, Texas (with a population of almost 100).

Esequiel was born the year before Ronald Reagan was elected President. Prior to Reagan's administration, the Posse Comitatus Act had prevented active duty military troops from engaging in domestic law enforcement. During his term it was amended to allow troops to be on patrol in the Drug War at home.

Zeke was tending his family goat herd when he was shot by 22-year-old Marine Corporal Banuelos, who was part of the Joint Task Force Six, a military unit assigned to anti-drug operations. The Marines, dressed in camouflage battle fatigues, were hiding in the bushes looking for drug smugglers.

While tending the goats, Zeke carried a rifle that his grandfather had given him to use to protect the goats from snakes and wild animals. The marines claim that he fired two shots in their direction, and upon seeing him raise his rifle again, Banuelos fired the fatal shot from an M-16. Townspeople claim they only heard one shot. The autopsy showed that Esequiel was not facing Banuelos when he was killed. He lay bleeding on the ground unattended for twenty minutes before he died.

The townspeople had no idea that Marines were patrolling the area in camouflaged outfits known as 'ghillie suits,' which make them virtually invisible to the unknowing eye. They have been traumatized by the event. Children are afraid to go out and play. Adults are afraid to take an evening stroll. People do not believe that the area is a major drug smuggling route, and they're uncomfortable with having Marines, who are trained to kill, on ground patrol in their backyards or flying low in helicopters that scare goats and people.

Normally when dealing with such traumatic events, the government sends in counselors to help people cope with the situation. But the town of Redford received no help. In fact, the government has not even apologized to Zeke's family. It has not admitted any mistakes, and has not cleared Esequiel of any wrongdoing. However, in January, 1998, it was announced that no charges would be filed against the Marine who killed him. Esequiel's family won a wrongful death suit against the government.

i remember the scott killing,,the govt. had been trying to get their land for a long time..the sheriffs dept. had claimed a CI {confidential informant} had seen pot on the property, and the alleged aerial sighting of the weed,,no tape was found of the pot plants, although it was standard practice to record all evidence to be used in conducting a raid.{the CI was never found}This was a time when the Rico Law ran undeterred..they could enter your home or bus. on a "tip" and if they found more than a certain amount of cash, seize the cash, vehicles, and property WITHOUT EVER CHARGING YOU WITH A CRIME,,it was Federal supported theft, and more than once, murder..and it was abused with impunity...a womans son was driving her car, got a traffic stop, and 4 grams of pot was found,,the police took her auto, and home under the rico law that was intended to confiscate organized crime rings of their cash, property under the guise that everything was purchased thru illegal means...local police depts soon saw the golden egg, and interpreted the law to apply to anyone, and remember, all w/o any charges being filed...its # 1 on my distrust of govt. the vast majority who lost everything, were never charged, and never saw what was taken from them illegally, returned...
and the dept. decided the Rico law would fit the bill to confiscate the land..
 
No, you're wrong. If there's reasonable belief the thief is limited to an area containing only these 19 cars, they can be stopped and detained (not under arrest) until officers determine whether the robber is among them- and then no longer. If that's what happened, there is no constitutional violation.
there is a huge difference between a sobriety checkpoint and what happened in aurora.

those people were all ordered out of their cars at gunpoint, handcuffed and searched without being informed why. please justify that action to this law:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 
You think it really matters constitutionally whether they've been informed as to why? You think that really matters lawfully?
 
legal right to shoot a policeman? Certainly not if the policeman has identified himself as an officer of the law.
 
I find the event in Colorado shocking, but no more shocking than a sobriety checkpoint. In both cases, you're sitting in your car, and you're stopped for no apparent reason and treated as the suspect of a crime.
 
You think it really matters constitutionally whether they've been informed as to why? You think that really matters lawfully?

what part of 'please justify this' didn't you understand? please tell us why you believe there was no unlawful detention of those people.
 
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