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Spamature said:
My guess is year after year of record gun sales pushed by the illogical get a gun now before they are banned mentality. Which means more guns are available to more people who will in turn create more gun victims.
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Maybe they did as Biden said and got them a shotgun..............
 
Arkady said:
The data, at least, seems to support that. That would explain why there's been a big uptick in murder, even as there's been a down-tick in both non-firearm murder and property crime. It would also line up with the fact the uptick in gun murder was mostly about handguns, and the fact it was strongest in the South (where gun culture runs strongest). But, I'd need more data to know for sure -- for example, gun sales data by year. Was 2015 a strong year for gun sales? If not, the theory falls apart.

The theory also struggles to explain why we didn't see something similar the year after Sandy Hook, given the spike in gun sales after that. One possibility is that post-Sandy Hook the spike was largely about trying to get AR-15s, out of fear they'd be banned. Long guns are less likely to cause murder rates to soar, because they're not the kind you're likely to have conveniently at hand on your person or in your car to turn a non-deadly incident into a deadly one, and they're also generally less useful to criminals, so putting more of them into circulation does less to stock the criminal market than putting more handguns into circulation does. By comparison, if what we've seen more recently was a spike in handguns and carry permits, that would mean both more guns on hand to turn incidents deadly, and more guns of the kinds criminals prefer feeding that market.
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Subtract the black on black inner city murders and murder rates in Americaa would be lower than many countries
 
BitterPill said:
Homeless people are dishonest thieves because window washers steal their equipment from gas stations?

It's not often you'll find me defending the Martian; in fact, I believe this is the first time.

Thanks!
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I should have said window washers instead of homeless people. I stand corrected.
 
BitterPill said:
I think it's too early to tell. For all we know 2015 might simply be an anomaly.

However, there are more firearms in play, and every year their numbers increase, so I agree that could have an effect.
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It's not the legal gun owners doing the killing and why liberals don't understand gang bangers don't get gun permits is [sic]
 
BitterPill said:
I think it's too early to tell. For all we know 2015 might simply be an anomaly.

However, there are more firearms in play, and every year their numbers increase, so I agree that could have an effect.
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My first thought was "anomaly" -- and at least in light of the way New York City is showing a decrease in murder for 2016 relative to 2015, that might be. But, if so, it was a big bounce.... it just feels too big to have been a random collection of individual events doing it. So, I started thinking maybe it was drug-related, similar to the way the crack epidemic played a role in the early 90s peak. But it's so "across the board," in terms of the kinds of communities seeing an increase, that doesn't seem right, either. Usually drug-crime is related to overlapping territories for distribution networks, which you see a lot more in big cities (my understanding is that the big spike in the late 80s and early 90s, was mostly an urban thing). I guess with something like Meth, which can be home-brewed in small batches on a distributed basis, that kind of urban hub is less necessary, so you wouldn't see that same pattern, so maybe there's still something to it But the gun stats are the most compelling "fingerprint" I could find in the data at first glance.
 
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Spamature said:
There is this in an article about 2015 gun sales.

A National Increase

Gun sales have more than doubled in a decade, to about 15 million in 2013 from about seven million in 2002. More firearms are sold to residents in the United States than in any other country, according to Jurgen Brauer, a professor at Georgia Regents University.


These exclude permits that allow people in some states to buy multiple guns with a single background check.


The increase is mostly due to higher sales of handguns, which are typically bought for self-defense. Two of the fastest-growing segments of the market are women and gun owners with concealed carry permits.




Looser Restrictions

Legal changes at the local level can lead to abrupt changes in sales.


When Missouri repealed a requirement that gun buyers obtain a permit to buy a handgun in 2007, estimated gun sales went up and stayed up, by roughly 9,000 additional guns per month. The influx shifted gun-trafficking patterns, increasing the number of guns bought in Missouri that were later traced to crimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/10/us/gun-sales-terrorism-obama-restrictions.html?_r=0
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Θ has been the BEST gun salesman for close to 8 years............doctors still kill more people than guns and same for automobiles................................

with your logic and that number of guns murder should be higher but it isn't, even thugs don't want to break into homes with guns, it's why they hit gun free homes.
 
as seen on tv said:
they have that in Philadelphia, but not Baltimore. in fact, in Philadelphia, its strictly outside the city limits, apparently.

they also have people selling newspapers they stole from the honor boxes. For a buck you can empty the honor box and be in business instantly.
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In Boston there are panhandlers, though I think the severity of the winters keeps homelessness down a bit. There are window-washers and people selling flowers and such at stop lights, but I've never seen them be anything other than extremely polite when refused. The usual response to "no thanks" is "OK, God bless you." I don't know if that's because cops crack down on the more aggressive ones or what.
 
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Dawg said:
It's not the legal gun owners doing the killing and why liberals don't understand gang bangers don't get gun permits is [sic]
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It is difficult for me to reply to your post since it doesn't contain a coherent thought. For example, you claim that legal gun owners don't kill which I consider wishful to the point of hallucination, and what stops gang-bangers from getting a 'gun permit'?

Also, what is the gun permit you speak of? Frankly, I'm not even aware of one.

Anyway, you noted your post was in error with the sic, so I suppose I should take that into account.
 
Spamature said:
My guess is year after year of record gun sales pushed by the illogical get a gun now before they are banned mentality. Which means more guns are available to more people who will in turn create more gun victims.
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When you say gun victims...you mean Liberals caught committing a crime.
 
as seen on tv said:
nyc "nicer", lol? you really want to claim you don't read newspapers? really?
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I read the New York Times every single day. And I travel to New York City (Brooklyn) fairly regularly for work. I'm not going to suggest that there aren't crimes there -- with a city that unimaginably huge, there will be thousands of them every day. But statistically they're way, way down in recent decades. At this point, you're safer walking down a random New York City street than walking on a random street in the US generally.
 
BitterPill said:
It is difficult for me to reply to your post since it doesn't contain a coherent thought. For example, you claim that legal gun owners don't kill which I consider wishful to the point of hallucination, and what stops gang-bangers from getting a 'gun permit'?
Simply solution, don't read or reply, libs like to post how much smarter they are and at same time claim they can't understand what is written. Well, if first and last letter to words is correct, I don't have a problem understanding what is written, of course I'm not a panty waste liberal. I posted nowhere legal gun owners DON'T kill, I said it's not legal gun owners doing the killing, not my problem you can't read what is written. Legal gun owners not out at midnight do drive-by killings or shooting blacks! Having a felony conviction would stop them from getting permits.

Also, what is the gun permit you speak of? Frankly, I'm not even aware of one.
To purchase a hand gun legally one must go to Sheriff's office, pay $5 for Gun Permit......otherwise you can't buy a handgun at a gun shop or gun show.

Anyway, you noted your post was in error with the sic, so I suppose I should take that into account.
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Another bullshit lie, I said libs don't understand gang bangers don't get permits and that is what is [sic]

If you still have trouble reading this, go back to school.
 
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