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Neolib failure

Will the neo-liberal movement collapse if there is no man made global warming? I believe that it will demolish them every time they try to 'science' explain their policies. I got my fingers crossed.

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http://www.naturalnews.com/041981_global_warming_computer_models_cooling.html
 
There are those who are telling us that all of that ice is being caused by global warming don'tcha know.
That is too funny. More ice equals more heat. lol

I don't know about AGW (man made global warming). It could be true but I feel it has become so politicized and so much money is at stake I'm against it as a political and fiscal theory. It makes the science theory more difficult to appreciate too.

If it was real and catastrophic we could actively sequester CO2 and yet that is never mentioned.
 
There really isn't much debate in scientific circles that global average temperature has increased ~1 degree in the last century. There isn't even much debate that greenhouse gasses are the chief cause of the increased temperature. Even the sources for the greenhouse gasses aren't in much dispute in scientific circles. There is a consensus scientific view that global warming is happening because of man-made activities.

The contrary view also has scientists who dispute the evidence of global warming. With any scientific claim, there are always those who disagree. These scientists represent the minority scientific view.

Global warming is a scientific hypothesis with lots of evidence to support it. There is very little evidence to suggest that global temperatures aren't rising. Deniers focus on small contradictions, inconsistencies and anecdotes suggesting temperatures aren't rising, and that natural variation can account for the climactic changes observed.

Frankly, those holding the opposite view remind me of the scientists who worked for Big Tobacco to prove that to prove smoking caused any individual lung cancer is legally difficult -- since so many factors are variables in the development of any cancer.

It's a bit like that with global warming. Eventually Big Tobacco got the blame they so richly deserved and there isn't any doubt that smoking is a significant health risk factor.

So I think that an apt analogy is that global warming deniers are like those who denied smoking caused cancer. They have even adopted the same strategy.
 
There really isn't much debate in scientific circles that global average temperature has increased ~1 degree in the last century. There isn't even much debate that greenhouse gasses are the chief cause of the increased temperature. Even the sources for the greenhouse gasses aren't in much dispute in scientific circles. There is a consensus scientific view that global warming is happening because of man-made activities.

The contrary view also has scientists who dispute the evidence of global warming. With any scientific claim, there are always those who disagree. These scientists represent the minority scientific view.

Global warming is a scientific hypothesis with lots of evidence to support it. There is very little evidence to suggest that global temperatures aren't rising. Deniers focus on small contradictions, inconsistencies and anecdotes suggesting temperatures aren't rising, and that natural variation can account for the climactic changes observed.

Frankly, those holding the opposite view remind me of the scientists who worked for Big Tobacco to prove that to prove smoking caused any individual lung cancer is legally difficult -- since so many factors are variables in the development of any cancer.

It's a bit like that with global warming. Eventually Big Tobacco got the blame they so richly deserved and there isn't any doubt that smoking is a significant health risk factor.

So I think that an apt analogy is that global warming deniers are like those who denied smoking caused cancer. They have even adopted the same strategy.
You would think that global warming "scientists" if they did actually know what was going on, would get a prediction right every now and again. Almost invariably, every prediction that has been posited by the global warming community has been the exact opposite of what ends up happening in reality.
 
Where have the forums neolibs run off too. Surely, they can spend a few lines of effort telling us how global warming is indeed a scientific fact.
 
Where have the forums neolibs run off too. Surely, they can spend a few lines of effort telling us how global warming is indeed a scientific fact.
They blew off my post about this 2 days ago as well. They have no credible rebuttal, so they blow off factual posts in favor of posting about how stupid global warming deniers are later on.
 
For God sakes think of the polar bears. OHHHHHHHHHH.... the humanity.

I know.. I love that one... there were literally MILLIONS of species of things on this planet long before us.. and most of them went extinct all on thier own... but we are supposed to somehow freak out because in some way we may be hastening extinction of a few species now? Come on.... if you can not adapt - you go extinct... that is the way of the world...
 
I know.. I love that one... there were literally MILLIONS of species of things on this planet long before us.. and most of them went extinct all on thier own... but we are supposed to somehow freak out because in some way we may be hastening extinction of a few species now? Come on.... if you can not adapt - you go extinct... that is the way of the world...
Problem is that the polar bear population has grown so large that they're eating themselves into extinction. This is what happens when people who have no idea what they're doing interfere.
 
Problem is that the polar bear population has grown so large that they're eating themselves into extinction. This is what happens when people who have no idea what they're doing interfere.

I agree... its generally why I am non-interventionist in most things. You intervene in one place, and you throw off the natural balance in another place, so you have to intervene again there, which throws off something else. Most of the time and I feel that way about climate change - we have to just let mother nature take its course and react to what we have already done - however it will react and focus on what we need to do to humans to adapt to what we think will be our new normal.
 
I agree... its generally why I am non-interventionist in most things. You intervene in one place, and you throw off the natural balance in another place, so you have to intervene again there, which throws off something else. Most of the time and I feel that way about climate change - we have to just let mother nature take its course and react to what we have already done - however it will react and focus on what we need to do to humans to adapt to what we think will be our new normal.
I agree that we need to care for our environment, but this draconian regulating is causing serious problems.
 
I agree that we need to care for our environment, but this draconian regulating is causing serious problems.

Sure, we need to care for our environment. No one wants to live in a toxic waste dump, afterall. No one wants to breath heavily poluted air, etc... but there has to be a balance in the regulation. And, there never seems to be any.. there is lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth though.... The whole lot of them are just drama queens. You see it play out thread after thread.... at any moment someone will come frothing at the mouth making personal insults at people who don't agree with them, etc.... They are convinced that if they just scream you down, they have won.
 
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The fluctuation about the blue line is what a 6th grade science student would call year-to-year variation. Quit comparing Aug 2012 to Aug 2013, it's really stupid:

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There was an increase of ice during the summer. Read the article.

What do you mean? Are you saying there was more Arctic ice in Aug 2013 than there was Aug 2012? The first graph obviously agrees with that (see the last data point). However, given the year-to-year variability of Arctic sea ice, and also the downward slope of the data since 1979, makes your top post rather silly.
 
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