No consequences

[degsme]

So it is my understanding that despite a massive disruption to the community (the complete suspension of the PMing system) and an intentional violation of the civility "rules" ostensibly in place in this forum in a manner that targetted numerous individuals - those who caused the fiasco are essentially bragging in CrossFire about having been immune from any meaningful consequence.

OTOH, I am still trying to figure out what rules were broken when I raised the question as to whether or not Crossfire had failed. Ostensibly my crime was "Calling out TP Posts" or some such claim, when what I did was to link to posts that in my opinion, were brining that sort of intentional disruptive comments supposedly constrained in CrossFire, into the general discourse.

That's no different than simply hitting "Reply with Quote" and then addressing the contents of what was quoted.


So frankly it seems to me that if the goal of this forum is civil discussion of political issues, it is failing. precisely because broad offensive attacks and posts that the authors have explicitly admitted are written with the INTENTION of "disruption and ridicule" are protected, as are PM attacks, whereas posts that violate no actually written rules are marked as infringing, locked and suspended.

If the goal is to have this forum become a less regulated, less reasoned and less informed version of Redstate.com - well done... But I don't think that was the original intent

 

[Citizen]

Shhhhhhh...... Didn't you know PJ is slanted the favour the libs, because it's only Cons who ever get in trouble here, or are given infractions, or are banned to CF.

Libs never get any infractions for their infractions, just ask any Con here in PJ, they'll tell ya thats exactly how it is.



OTOH it is pretty sad that a few selfish hatefull people screwed ALL of us decent unbiased fair & balanced posters, isn't it.

 

[Minotaur]

You can still reach Dave via Contact about your own personal situation I think.

 

[degsme]

You can still reach Dave via Contact about your own personal situation I think.

Nope, cannot make it work.

What's particularly telling is that apparently (according to IRP who got the PM before the system was shut down) - the PM that was sent to me specifically ridiculed and attacked me. Which had I been given the opportunity to "report" it as a complaint, would have been counted as an "infraction" against those who sent it.

 

[Minotaur]

I would not guess the outcome of anything this early. I would also not guess that any single report tipped a scale. Guesses here are usually wrong. Maybe try contact again on another day or two as they may be testing or tweeking. My way of saying I have no answers.

 

[gabriel]

they broke rules dave had installed and got caught at it. its very simple. crossfire was more than forgiving of bad behaviour. blammie and stan called daves bluff and got whacked. DoA and Vegas thought they were smarter than thoe guys and were surprised to find out they wernt. They are embarassed that we all watched them get their pee pees whacked

So it is my understanding that despite a massive disruption to the community (the complete suspension of the PMing system) and an intentional violation of the civility "rules" ostensibly in place in this forum in a manner that targetted numerous individuals - those who caused the fiasco are essentially bragging in CrossFire about having been immune from any meaningful consequence.

OTOH, I am still trying to figure out what rules were broken when I raised the question as to whether or not Crossfire had failed. Ostensibly my crime was "Calling out TP Posts" or some such claim, when what I did was to link to posts that in my opinion, were brining that sort of intentional disruptive comments supposedly constrained in CrossFire, into the general discourse.

That's no different than simply hitting "Reply with Quote" and then addressing the contents of what was quoted.


So frankly it seems to me that if the goal of this forum is civil discussion of political issues, it is failing. precisely because broad offensive attacks and posts that the authors have explicitly admitted are written with the INTENTION of "disruption and ridicule" are protected, as are PM attacks, whereas posts that violate no actually written rules are marked as infringing, locked and suspended.

If the goal is to have this forum become a less regulated, less reasoned and less informed version of Redstate.com - well done... But I don't think that was the original intent

 

[imreallyperplexed]

For the record, I believe that I got AoD's PM to degsme forwarded to me by justoffal. The forwarded PM was also sent to - I believe - AoD, Jack Dallas, Barbella, and Jen. I assume that I was included for the same basic reason that AoD gave to Queen TItania in another thread.

https://www.politicaljack.com/forum...al-messages&p=328819&mode=threaded#post328819

I did read the content of the forwarded message (which degsme inquired about). My response was to PM the LOC mods and Dave to see if I could block PMs selectively. Despite the fact that I had been a moderator, I actually did not know how to do this. I quickly found the answer and implemented it. I also informed some other folks how to do selectively block PMs. This solution was fine with me. Dave's shutting down the PM system in the "Children" thread happened subsequent to that. Personally, I was OK with doing selective blocking and would like to see the PM system restored in some fashion. However, as Minotaur suggested, I suspect that some tweaking is going on behind the scenes for maintenance and upgrades. No big deal. And if the PM system is not revived, I wouldn't die. Some folks may feel differently.

In any case, I will agree with degsme to the extent that I have no desire to see "Crossfire" style discourse leak into the open forums. I don't belong to Crossfire and have no interest in belonging to Crossfire.

Nope, cannot make it work.

What's particularly telling is that apparently (according to IRP who got the PM before the system was shut down) - the PM that was sent to me specifically ridiculed and attacked me. Which had I been given the opportunity to "report" it as a complaint, would have been counted as an "infraction" against those who sent it.

 

[gabriel]

Very well written. Perhaps a tad too sensible? Lol

 

[Bo-4]

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