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Ohio botched execution

JuliefromOhio

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from The Blade:

01/17/2014
Egregious execution

WHAT happened Thursday morning at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility in Lucasville has shamed Ohio to the nation and world.
Executed with a drug combination never tried before in the United States, 53-year-old Dennis McGuire took more than 15 minutes to die, as he convulsed, gasped, and snorted. He opened and shut his mouth as his stomach rose and fell.
What’s done cannot be undone, but Gov. John Kasich should now pause Ohio’s killing machine until the state has time to select a drug or multidrug cocktail that it can be reasonably sure is reliable, efficient, humane, and tested. A lack of national standards on how executions should proceed makes such a delay even more urgent.
To be sure, Dennis McGuire, a convicted murderer and rapist, is not a man who will elicit public sympathy. In truth, many Ohioans will say he did not suffer enough.
Under Ohio’s laws, McGuire’s death sentence was just and justifiable. But McGuire was sentenced to death, not death preceded by torture.
As carried out by the Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, his sentence desecrated the laws of Ohio and violated the most fundamental standards of a civilized society.
A nationwide shortage of lethal drugs has forced states, including Ohio, to find other ways to execute prisoners in a constitutional manner that avoids cruel and unusual punishment. But as they scramble to find drugs that are convenient and available, even if not adequately tested, expediency has trumped morality. The process has become almost haphazard — and increasingly open to legal and constitutional challenge.
After Ohio ran out of pentobarbital in September, The Blade editorial page, and others, urged Mr. Kasich not to rush into an imprudent and possibly inhumane procedure. The governor ignored those pleas, unmindful or indifferent to the dangers posed by an untested lethal cocktail.
As a result, Ohio became the first state in the nation to try a two-drug cocktail: midazolam and hydromorphone. The gruesome spectacle on Thursday will forever stain Mr. Kasich’s record and legacy.
In 2011, Ohio became the first state to use pentobarbital alone for a lethal injection. The drug’s maker, Denmark-based Lundbeck, opposes its use in death penalty cases and has stopped selling the product to corrections departments.
Other manufacturers also are refusing on moral grounds to assist corrections departments with drugs used for lethal injections. That has forced states to buy custom-made drugs from compounding, or specialty, pharmacies, that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not regulate.
Ohio started using capital punishment — public hangings — when it became a state in 1803. In 1897, the electric chair replaced the gallows, In 2001, lethal injection became Ohio’s sole method of administering the death penalty.
States that impose capital punishment generally have regarded lethal injection as more humane than the electric chair, gas chamber, or firing squad. But some doctors now question that view, especially given executioners’ lack of medical training and the secrecy surrounding capital case medical records.
On Friday, the DRC would say only that it would conduct a routine “after action” review of Thursday’s execution. That’s not enough. Governor Kasich must delay executions until the state can properly carry them out.
To his credit, he has already delayed the execution of Ronald Phillips, 40, to study whether Ohio can accommodate Phillips’ request to donate his organs. Mr. Kasich certainly can delay an execution to avoid another horrific incident.
This page has a longstanding history of support for capital punishment, but that’s not what this debate is about. McGuire’s execution was inhumane, inept, and inexcusable.
It cannot happen again.
 
from The Blade:

01/17/2014
Egregious execution

WHAT happened Thursday morning at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility in Lucasville has shamed Ohio to the nation and world.
Executed with a drug combination never tried before in the United States, 53-year-old Dennis McGuire took more than 15 minutes to die, as he convulsed, gasped, and snorted. He opened and shut his mouth as his stomach rose and fell.
What’s done cannot be undone, but Gov. John Kasich should now pause Ohio’s killing machine until the state has time to select a drug or multidrug cocktail that it can be reasonably sure is reliable, efficient, humane, and tested. A lack of national standards on how executions should proceed makes such a delay even more urgent.
To be sure, Dennis McGuire, a convicted murderer and rapist, is not a man who will elicit public sympathy. In truth, many Ohioans will say he did not suffer enough.
Under Ohio’s laws, McGuire’s death sentence was just and justifiable. But McGuire was sentenced to death, not death preceded by torture.
As carried out by the Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, his sentence desecrated the laws of Ohio and violated the most fundamental standards of a civilized society.
A nationwide shortage of lethal drugs has forced states, including Ohio, to find other ways to execute prisoners in a constitutional manner that avoids cruel and unusual punishment. But as they scramble to find drugs that are convenient and available, even if not adequately tested, expediency has trumped morality. The process has become almost haphazard — and increasingly open to legal and constitutional challenge.
After Ohio ran out of pentobarbital in September, The Blade editorial page, and others, urged Mr. Kasich not to rush into an imprudent and possibly inhumane procedure. The governor ignored those pleas, unmindful or indifferent to the dangers posed by an untested lethal cocktail.
As a result, Ohio became the first state in the nation to try a two-drug cocktail: midazolam and hydromorphone. The gruesome spectacle on Thursday will forever stain Mr. Kasich’s record and legacy.
In 2011, Ohio became the first state to use pentobarbital alone for a lethal injection. The drug’s maker, Denmark-based Lundbeck, opposes its use in death penalty cases and has stopped selling the product to corrections departments.
Other manufacturers also are refusing on moral grounds to assist corrections departments with drugs used for lethal injections. That has forced states to buy custom-made drugs from compounding, or specialty, pharmacies, that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not regulate.
Ohio started using capital punishment — public hangings — when it became a state in 1803. In 1897, the electric chair replaced the gallows, In 2001, lethal injection became Ohio’s sole method of administering the death penalty.
States that impose capital punishment generally have regarded lethal injection as more humane than the electric chair, gas chamber, or firing squad. But some doctors now question that view, especially given executioners’ lack of medical training and the secrecy surrounding capital case medical records.
On Friday, the DRC would say only that it would conduct a routine “after action” review of Thursday’s execution. That’s not enough. Governor Kasich must delay executions until the state can properly carry them out.
To his credit, he has already delayed the execution of Ronald Phillips, 40, to study whether Ohio can accommodate Phillips’ request to donate his organs. Mr. Kasich certainly can delay an execution to avoid another horrific incident.
This page has a longstanding history of support for capital punishment, but that’s not what this debate is about. McGuire’s execution was inhumane, inept, and inexcusable.
It cannot happen again.
Might I suggest impaling. It's 100% effective and no less than a rapist and murderer deserves.
 
from The Blade:

01/17/2014
Egregious execution

WHAT happened Thursday morning at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility in Lucasville has shamed Ohio to the nation and world.
Executed with a drug combination never tried before in the United States, 53-year-old Dennis McGuire took more than 15 minutes to die, as he convulsed, gasped, and snorted. He opened and shut his mouth as his stomach rose and fell.
What’s done cannot be undone, but Gov. John Kasich should now pause Ohio’s killing machine until the state has time to select a drug or multidrug cocktail that it can be reasonably sure is reliable, efficient, humane, and tested. A lack of national standards on how executions should proceed makes such a delay even more urgent.
To be sure, Dennis McGuire, a convicted murderer and rapist, is not a man who will elicit public sympathy. In truth, many Ohioans will say he did not suffer enough.
Under Ohio’s laws, McGuire’s death sentence was just and justifiable. But McGuire was sentenced to death, not death preceded by torture.
As carried out by the Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, his sentence desecrated the laws of Ohio and violated the most fundamental standards of a civilized society.
A nationwide shortage of lethal drugs has forced states, including Ohio, to find other ways to execute prisoners in a constitutional manner that avoids cruel and unusual punishment. But as they scramble to find drugs that are convenient and available, even if not adequately tested, expediency has trumped morality. The process has become almost haphazard — and increasingly open to legal and constitutional challenge.
After Ohio ran out of pentobarbital in September, The Blade editorial page, and others, urged Mr. Kasich not to rush into an imprudent and possibly inhumane procedure. The governor ignored those pleas, unmindful or indifferent to the dangers posed by an untested lethal cocktail.
As a result, Ohio became the first state in the nation to try a two-drug cocktail: midazolam and hydromorphone. The gruesome spectacle on Thursday will forever stain Mr. Kasich’s record and legacy.
In 2011, Ohio became the first state to use pentobarbital alone for a lethal injection. The drug’s maker, Denmark-based Lundbeck, opposes its use in death penalty cases and has stopped selling the product to corrections departments.
Other manufacturers also are refusing on moral grounds to assist corrections departments with drugs used for lethal injections. That has forced states to buy custom-made drugs from compounding, or specialty, pharmacies, that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not regulate.
Ohio started using capital punishment — public hangings — when it became a state in 1803. In 1897, the electric chair replaced the gallows, In 2001, lethal injection became Ohio’s sole method of administering the death penalty.
States that impose capital punishment generally have regarded lethal injection as more humane than the electric chair, gas chamber, or firing squad. But some doctors now question that view, especially given executioners’ lack of medical training and the secrecy surrounding capital case medical records.
On Friday, the DRC would say only that it would conduct a routine “after action” review of Thursday’s execution. That’s not enough. Governor Kasich must delay executions until the state can properly carry them out.
To his credit, he has already delayed the execution of Ronald Phillips, 40, to study whether Ohio can accommodate Phillips’ request to donate his organs. Mr. Kasich certainly can delay an execution to avoid another horrific incident.
This page has a longstanding history of support for capital punishment, but that’s not what this debate is about. McGuire’s execution was inhumane, inept, and inexcusable.
It cannot happen again.
Botched??

"Dennis McGuire took more than 15 minutes to die"

Sounds to me it worked perfectly, as far as executions go.
 
Might I suggest impaling. It's 100% effective and no less than a rapist and murderer deserves.

may I suggest a 2 cent bullet.....a .22 pistol held to his RAPING.MURDERING HEAD.squees the trigger..........I'll do it for FREE...........don't want the scum bag sufferin g like they RAPED/MURDERED.........their victims..............liberalism is a disease.............
 
I'm sorry it was botched.
But the man deserved to be executed for what he did. Period.

Nothing like killing people to show killing is wrong. It is barbaric and we are one of the only industrialized country that practices such a despicable act. I thought you were pro life....does vengeance make you feel better?
 
Botched??

"Dennis McGuire took more than 15 minutes to die"

Sounds to me it worked perfectly, as far as executions go.

Oh NO.in libbieland.they need pass with crack ho's dancing in front of them or maybe some Hollywood ho with them.......I mean after -all all the son-of-a-bitch di was RAPE/MURDER a pregnant woman.........saves libs an abortion they seek..........I soooooooooo wish the libs mom's would have aborted them
 
may I suggest a 2 cent bullet.....a .22 pistol held to his RAPING.MURDERING HEAD.squees the trigger..........I'll do it for FREE...........don't want the scum bag sufferin g like they RAPED/MURDERED.........their victims..............liberalism is a disease.............
You would be doing society a favor by killing these dangerous animals
 
Nothing like killing people to show killing is wrong. It is barbaric and we are one of the only industrialized country that practices such a despicable act. I thought you were pro life....does vengeance make you feel better?
ya one woman that needs be in a mental hospital
 
Nothing like killing people to show killing is wrong. It is barbaric and we are one of the only industrialized country that practices such a despicable act. I thought you were pro life....does vengeance make you feel better?
Maybe we should just let them roam free so they can see how people in a civilized society act. We can't keep them locked up, it's undignified. And we all know poverty breeds crime, so we should pay them for roaming around among civilized folks.

Liberals are so smart.
 
Nothing like killing people to show killing is wrong. It is barbaric and we are one of the only industrialized country that practices such a despicable act. I thought you were pro life....does vengeance make you feel better?
You are confused, I can help...

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithw...an-be-pro-life-and-support-the-death-penalty/

Question: "Why are Christians pro-life when it comes to abortion while at the same time in favor of the death penalty and supportive of war?"

Answer: The primary problem with this question is that it attempts to create a moral equivalency between abortion, the death penalty / capital punishment, and war. There is absolutely nothing equivalent about an innocent baby’s life being taken in the womb and a convicted murderer being executed. A baby in the womb has committed no crime. The death penalty should be, and in most cases is, employed only with the most evil of crimes. It was God who ordained the death penalty (Genesis 9:6), and it is God who gives governments the authority to enforce the death penalty (Romans 13:1-7). It is entirely consistent to believe that the life of an innocent baby in the womb should be protected while believing that the perpetuators of the most heinous of crimes should be executed.


Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/pro-life-war-death.html#ixzz2qihUjVvK

But that's only from the faith side of it. That's something you might not understand or support. So then there's this:

According to roughly a dozen recent studies, executions save lives. For each inmate put to death, the studies say, 3 to 18 murders are prevented.

The effect is most pronounced, according to some studies, in Texas and other states that execute condemned inmates relatively often and relatively quickly.

The studies, performed by economists in the past decade, compare the number of executions in different jurisdictions with homicide rates over time — while trying to eliminate the effects of crime rates, conviction rates and other factors — and say that murder rates tend to fall as executions rise. One influential study looked at 3,054 counties over two decades.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/us/18deter.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Glad I could help.
 
You are confused, I can help...

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithw...an-be-pro-life-and-support-the-death-penalty/

Question: "Why are Christians pro-life when it comes to abortion while at the same time in favor of the death penalty and supportive of war?"

Answer: The primary problem with this question is that it attempts to create a moral equivalency between abortion, the death penalty / capital punishment, and war. There is absolutely nothing equivalent about an innocent baby’s life being taken in the womb and a convicted murderer being executed. A baby in the womb has committed no crime. The death penalty should be, and in most cases is, employed only with the most evil of crimes. It was God who ordained the death penalty (Genesis 9:6), and it is God who gives governments the authority to enforce the death penalty (Romans 13:1-7). It is entirely consistent to believe that the life of an innocent baby in the womb should be protected while believing that the perpetuators of the most heinous of crimes should be executed.


Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/pro-life-war-death.html#ixzz2qihUjVvK

But that's only from the faith side of it. That's something you might not understand or support. So then there's this:

According to roughly a dozen recent studies, executions save lives. For each inmate put to death, the studies say, 3 to 18 murders are prevented.

The effect is most pronounced, according to some studies, in Texas and other states that execute condemned inmates relatively often and relatively quickly.

The studies, performed by economists in the past decade, compare the number of executions in different jurisdictions with homicide rates over time — while trying to eliminate the effects of crime rates, conviction rates and other factors — and say that murder rates tend to fall as executions rise. One influential study looked at 3,054 counties over two decades.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/us/18deter.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Glad I could help.


Killing babies is illegal...so when you call a ZEF a baby, your argument isn't valid.
There have been study after study showing capital punishment doesn't
Lower the murder rate...we have studies that can show both sides I guess. Why do you suppose practically every country , other than third world , doesn't practice state sanctioned murder,for vengeance
 
Killing babies is illegal...so when you call a ZEF a baby, your argument isn't valid.
There have been study after study showing capital punishment doesn't
Lower the murder rate...we have studies that can show both sides I guess. Why do you suppose practically every country , other than third world , doesn't practice state sanctioned murder,for vengeance
Do you have studies that "capital punishment doesn't lower the murder rate" or do you have studies that show the murder rate is lower where there is no death penalty?

There's a HUGE difference between the two.

The "vengeance" crack is a purely partisan one. It's your own bias showing forth. Did you see any personal bias in my response to you? No, those were simply facts.
 
Killing babies is illegal...so when you call a ZEF a baby, your argument isn't valid.
There have been study after study showing capital punishment doesn't
Lower the murder rate...we have studies that can show both sides I guess. Why do you suppose practically every country , other than third world , doesn't practice state sanctioned murder,for vengeance

The woman was 7 months pregnant....a viable baby, not a "zef". The man raped and murdered the woman and her child. The guy got what he deserved. I bet if it were your daughter and grandchild you would feel a little different about it.
 
I'm sorry it was botched.
But the man deserved to be executed for what he did. Period.

where was it said that the man didn't deserve the death penalty? nowhere.
he was sentenced to death in line with Ohio law.
the botched execution is another story.
I wish cons understood "cruel and unusual punishment." they don't.
 
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