Ohio botched execution

[Bo-4]

Can't you see a killer saying"I'll only get life in prison without parole, so I'll kill"

Actually? No, if anything i think some people murder in order TO get the death penalty. It's sort of a weird alternative to "death by cop".

Criminologists' Views on Deterrence and the Death Penalty

A recent survey of the most leading criminologists in the country from found that the overwhelming majority did not believe that the death penalty is a proven deterrent to homicide. Eighty-eight percent of the country’s top criminologists do not believe the death penalty acts as a deterrent to homicide, according to a new study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology and authored by Professor Michael Radelet, Chair of the Department of Sociology at the University of Colorado-Boulder, and Traci Lacock, also at Boulder.

Similarly, 87% of the expert criminologists believe that abolition of the death penalty would not have any significant effect on murder rates. In addition, 75% of the respondents agree that “debates about the death penalty distract Congress and state legislatures from focusing on real solutions to crime problems.”

The survey relied on questionnaires completed by the most pre-eminent criminologists in the country, including Fellows in the American Society of Criminology; winners of the American Society of Criminology’s prestigious Southerland Award; and recent presidents of the American Society of Criminology. Respondents were not asked for their personal opinion about the death penalty, but instead to answer on the basis of their understandings of the empirical research.

 

[Renee]

i dont know if 15 mins. of pain is as bad as a lifetime of being caged and ignored...whats cruel?

gotta do something....and its a fact that the dead will not commit any more crimes, so it must reduce crime rates,,at least from the one executed....its a good bet,,the crime he was executed for was not his first,,,but was his last...

How about giving them a choice? If they want to be euthanized I'm for it,,,,it doesn't make us vengeful animals.

 

[Renee]

You could be right...however, why should taxpayers pay for a person to be in prison the rest of his life after he raped and murdered? The guy in the TP had already been in prison for 20 yrs!! There was no doubt that he did it, so there was no reason to keep him on death row 20 yrs while taxpayers paid for his food and lodging and whatever other costs there were.

Liberals have no problem with someone sucking the brains out of an innocent childs skull, but have a problem killing a murdering monster. Something is just not right with this!

So it's about money....you are aware that killing a prisoner is more costly with appeals etc. Sucking brains put of an innocent child is illegal and wrong. Never heard anyone support that. But then again for you life begins at conception and ends at birth

 

[oicu812]

How about giving them a choice? If they want to be euthanized I'm for it,,,,it doesn't make us vengeful animals.

i dont know if a convicted criminal should be given any more "choices" than he/she already had prior to being convicted..

the death penalty is a problem for me...i dont like killing...it takes away all one is and all one will ever be,,,but there are humans amoung us that desperately need to be killed...

its not a perfect world, and i dont know if getting 3 hots and a cot plus healthcare, dentalcare, reading material, etc. is much of a punishment for the majority of killers we see now.....to many, its just "going home"....

 

[Caroljo]

So it's about money....you are aware that killing a prisoner is more costly with appeals etc. Sucking brains put of an innocent child is illegal and wrong. Never heard anyone support that. But then again for you life begins at conception and ends at birth

That was really stupid....and a lie.
And if nobody supports sucking the brains out of child to kill it, then why do they do it?
But then again, for you life begins only at birth.

 

[Zoar]

How about giving them a choice? If they want to be euthanized I'm for it,,,,it doesn't make us vengeful animals.

Agreed. Moreover, i do not understand why people who do such awful things can't make restitution like work hard the rest of their lives making something which is sold even friggin license plates and all the money goes to the loved ones of the person they killed. Plus these people should have to work in the garden and eat the food they grow. Prisons should be self sufficient with the prisoners making their own food, sewing own clothes, making their own power, etc.... Work for their own upkeep so they are less of a tax burden. In Massachusetts and ny it used to be like this but the Republicans got power over the criminal justice system and said the prisoners were "enjoying" the work too much and when prisons were privatized the corporations taking over could not see as much profit for them if the prisoners worked. They made more money on all the support services etc if the prisoners did not work.

 

[Dawg]

Agreed. Moreover, i do not understand why people who do such awful things can't make restitution like work hard the rest of their lives making something which is sold even friggin license plates and all the money goes to the loved ones of the person they killed. Plus these people should have to work in the garden and eat the food they grow. Prisons should be self sufficient with the prisoners making their own food, sewing own clothes, making their own power, etc.... Work for their own upkeep so they are less of a tax burden. In Massachusetts and ny it used to be like this but the Republicans got power over the criminal justice system and said the prisoners were "enjoying" the work too much and when prisons were privatized the corporations taking over could not see as much profit for them if the prisoners worked. They made more money on all the support services etc if the prisoners did not work.

BS..........

 

[Renee]

i dont know if a convicted criminal should be given any more "choices" than he/she already had prior to being convicted..

the death penalty is a problem for me...i dont like killing...it takes away all one is and all one will ever be,,,but there are humans amoung us that desperately need to be killed...

its not a perfect world, and i dont know if getting 3 hots and a cot plus healthcare, dentalcare, reading material, etc. is much of a punishment for the majority of killers we see now.....to many, its just "going home"....

Sounds like prison is a great place to you...commit a crime and then. You can get 3 hots, a cot, dental, reading material..

 

[Renee]

Agreed. Moreover, i do not understand why people who do such awful things can't make restitution like work hard the rest of their lives making something which is sold even friggin license plates and all the money goes to the loved ones of the person they killed. Plus these people should have to work in the garden and eat the food they grow. Prisons should be self sufficient with the prisoners making their own food, sewing own clothes, making their own power, etc.... Work for their own upkeep so they are less of a tax burden. In Massachusetts and ny it used to be like this but the Republicans got power over the criminal justice system and said the prisoners were "enjoying" the work too much and when prisons were privatized the corporations taking over could not see as much profit for them if the prisoners worked. They made more money on all the support services etc if the prisoners did not work.

I volunteer in a woman's prison...bottom line is losing their personal freedom is not something enviable. It's awful.

 

[Renee]

That was really stupid....and a lie.
And if nobody supports sucking the brains out of child to kill it, then why do they do it?
But then again, for you life begins only at birth.

Show me one example of a CHILD having his brain sucked out. And by the way, a child has only one brain, not brains,
I suggest you all them adorable toddlers, makes your fake point better.

 

[Zoar]

I volunteer in a woman's prison...bottom line is losing their personal freedom is not something enviable. It's awful.

I especially and particularly call out for Restitution and working for the victim in cases where the prisoner has committed a heinous crime .


I also volunteered at a low security prison when the prisoners worked massive gardens by hand. It was good hard work. The gardens fed the prison. But Republicans disbanded this "loony Liberal program" and the food was all bought from Cisco after that.

 

[Dawg]

I especially and particularly call out for Restitution and working for the victim in cases where the prisoner has committed a heinous crime .


I also volunteered at a low security prison when the prisoners worked massive gardens by hand. It was good hard work. The gardens fed the prison. But Republicans disbanded this "loony Liberal program" and the food was all bought from Cisco after that.

maybe those on food stamps should be made to raise a garden, you know to feed themselves as you continue to post as prisoners should do and better yet here is a great idea:::

 

[Caroljo]

Show me one example of a CHILD having his brain sucked out. And by the way, a child has only one brain, not brains,
I suggest you all them adorable toddlers, makes your fake point better.

What????

 

[Caroljo]

Typical Jesus Republicans..... Not Jesus Like At All!

Oh ya....then there's THIS Zoar....

The Bible states the following about Capital Punishment.

The Covenant of the Rainbow:
"Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man."

Exodus 20:13
"You shall not murder".

Leviticus 24:17 And he that kills any man shall surely be put to death.

 

[Zoar]

Oh ya....then there's THIS Zoar....

The Bible states the following about Capital Punishment.

The Covenant of the Rainbow:
"Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man."

Exodus 20:13
"You shall not murder".

Leviticus 24:17 And he that kills any man shall surely be put to death.

Ummm, Carol. That is OLD testament, it has ZERO to do with Jesus and does not reflect anything Jesus preached. Please think about Jesus here. And please don't obfuscate and totally change the subject.

 

[Caroljo]

I volunteer in a woman's prison...bottom line is losing their personal freedom is not something enviable. It's awful.

Gee, you were a teacher and taught (was it?) J-Zee (or however you say his stupid name)....you write books, you volunteer at a womans prison....wow, you're just a woman of the world aren't you? I'm sure i missed a few things....but then, when someone has money as you do you can afford to do these things and spread your hateful ideas.

 

[Jen]

Oh ya....then there's THIS Zoar....

The Bible states the following about Capital Punishment.

The Covenant of the Rainbow:
"Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man."

Exodus 20:13
"You shall not murder".

Leviticus 24:17 And he that kills any man shall surely be put to death.

And furthermore, Carol, Jesus made no comment to say that we can now murder with impunity. The teachings of Jesus were all about how we treat our fellow man on a personal level.

There are those who pretend that the teachings of Jesus dictate that laws must now never call for a person's life if that person commits a horrific act of murder. Jesus never spoke about the laws we have set up. Never, except when he said "render to caesar what is caesar's". That meant that we should submit to our laws that have been set up.

Those who say otherwise are wrong. And isn't it interesting that atheists, who don't believe in God or Jesus are first to quote (usually erroneously) their teachings?

 

[Zoar]

Oh and "you shall not murder" says NOTHING about Capital Punishment! Are you reading impaired??

 

[Caroljo]

Ummm, Carol. That is OLD testament, it has ZERO to do with Jesus and does not reflect anything Jesus preached. Please think about Jesus here. And please don't obfuscate and totally change the subject.

Hey...it's you guys that usually quote the OT on everything! DO NOT MURDER was a law, and Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the laws, but to enforce them. Most of the OT most Christians look at as "history". But there were LAWS that God put in place, and Jesus came here to fulfill those laws and enforce them. One of them is MURDER. As is all of the rest of the 10 commandments. That didn't change!

 

[Zoar]

Gee, you were a teacher and taught (was it?) J-Zee (or however you say his stupid name)....you write books, you volunteer at a womans prison....wow, you're just a woman of the world aren't you? I'm sure i missed a few things....but then, when someone has money as you do you can afford to do these things and spread your hateful ideas.

Carol, that is one of the most hateful, spiteful, jealous posts I have ever read on PJ. I can see you do not follow the important teachings of either Testament!