Ohio botched execution

[fairsheet]

look at the company we keep in carrying out the death penalty. we're #5!
CHINA
IRAN
SAUDI ARABIA
IRAQ
UNITED STATES
PAKISTAN
YEMEN
KOREA (NORTH)
VIETNAM
LIBYA

For the sake of objectivity though, my guess is that all of those other countries execute considerably more per capita, than we do. We're just way more transparent than they are. In any case, I seriously doubt that the more fervent advocates for execution, give a shit one way or another, what the Chinese et al, are doing. They've already rationalized that one for themselves.

Still though.....Americans are finally considering the costs of capital punishment seriously - even if just in dollar terms. It used to be that they were willing to pay just about any price for the feel-goodness of zapping someone. Now?......not so much.

 

[Dawg]

yes, Bush/repubs thought it was okay to commit the crime of torture, and what's worse, they still believe it. ask any repub Christian and they'll tell you it's okay to torture.

and 'O' still uses the same Bush policies......wow........how quaint☻

 

[Dawg]

I read somewhere that the most humane way of executing a person is by guillotine. It's just the thought of it that's bad.

maybe we could just go with and eye for an eye.............
he should have died same as he killed the newlywed/pregnant female

 

[Dawg]

Yes, you Righties/Republicans LOVE being number ONE in killing people. It is just so "you"!

yet it seems majority of mass murderers are dem/libs.........go figure that one out for us Boar

 

[Dawg]

For the sake of objectivity though, my guess is that all of those other countries execute considerably more per capita, than we do. We're just way more transparent than they are. In any case, I seriously doubt that the more fervent advocates for execution, give a shit one way or another, what the Chinese et al, are doing. They've already rationalized that one for themselves.

Still though.....Americans are finally considering the costs of capital punishment seriously - even if just in dollar terms. It used to be that they were willing to pay just about any price for the feel-goodness of zapping someone. Now?......not so much.

if they confess/DNA proves beyond a doubt.......fry them the next day at noon.end of story.......dust-to-dust

we could use solar-panels for the electricity.....it would be a clean-green death↔

 

[fairsheet]

if they confess/DNA proves beyond a doubt.......fry them the next day at noon.end of story.......dust-to-dust

we could use solar-panels for the electricity.....it would be a clean-green death↔

Your colorful language notwithstanding, your perspective is a common one. Much of the cost of execution derives from our processes - even in the context of people everyone knows are guilty. So, they think that part of the solution should be to streamline the process for those who're obviously guilty.

The problem with that is.....it ain't happening. That horse left the barn years ago. To the extent capital punishment survives in this country, the trade off will be MORE protection for the accused (and more cost), as opposed to less.

For what it's worth..note that I'm not saying what SHOULD be. I'm just saying what WILL be.

 

[Dawg]

Your colorful language notwithstanding, your perspective is a common one. Much of the cost of execution derives from our processes - even in the context of people everyone knows are guilty. So, they think that part of the solution should be to streamline the process for those who're obviously guilty.

The problem with that is.....it ain't happening. That horse left the barn years ago. To the extent capital punishment survives in this country, the trade off will be MORE protection for the accused (and more cost), as opposed to less.

For what it's worth..note that I'm not saying what SHOULD be. I'm just saying what WILL be.

and you are posting the Truth.........lawyers become politicians to work for lawyer brothers........he/she murdered=4 or more lawyers appointed to defend what 99.9% of the time has no defense.

 

[fairsheet]

and you are posting the Truth.........lawyers become politicians to work for lawyer brothers........he/she murdered=4 or more lawyers appointed to defend what 99.9% of the time has no defense.

My medium-sized state doesn't execute a whole lot of people. I don't recall the numbers right now, but it's considerably less than one per year. Therefore, It's pretty easy for me to familiarize myself with the specifics of each case. Speaking ONLY for the capital criminals in MY state, I don't have a single ounce of sympathy for a damned of 'em.

Yet as above.....I'm 100% opposed to capital punishment under all circumstances.

 

[Zoar]

if they confess/DNA proves beyond a doubt.......fry them the next day at noon.end of story.......dust-to-dust

we could use solar-panels for the electricity.....it would be a clean-green death↔

Wow, in over a year Dawg finally for the very first time advocates or promotes using Solar panels!!! Of course, though, it is Dawg, so he ONLY promotes solar this one time so he can KILL PEOPLE.... yes, that is the only use Dawg see's for making power sustainably and renewably: So he CAN KILL PEOPLE.

Yup typical Dawg. He loves to kill people like the other Righties on here.

 

[Queen Titania]

if they confess/DNA proves beyond a doubt.......fry them the next day at noon.end of story.......dust-to-dust

we could use solar-panels for the electricity.....it would be a clean-green death↔

DNA can be manipulated too Dawg It is a very new science - of which we have only scratched the surface and so as with finger prints at first we are, in connection with the law, sometimes very clumsy with it. It is not infallible.

The reason they stopped hanging people here was not for reasons 'libeeeral' but because we kept hanging innocent people, half of whom they still do not dare to admit too all these years and years later.

I'll tell you though, the less fearsome a regime is the more peaceful are the people ............. The worse the regime, the worse the gangsters.

On many counts I don't like Capital Punishment, on some you and I will differ but perhaps not an all. I do not like the State having life and death powers over it's people ............ it isn't in my opinion healthy for any State to have that power, it is a weapon of keeping the people down through fear .

 

[Alinvegas]

I read somewhere that the most humane way of executing a person is by guillotine. It's just the thought of it that's bad.

Yep, but it can be a real pain in the neck.

 

[Alinvegas]

Yes, you Righties/Republicans LOVE being number ONE in killing people. It is just so "you"!

Lefty: Killing someone that Raped a Woman and Killed her kid = wrong.
Killing that same kid while it's in the womb = AOK.

 

[Renee]

When did killing people become wrong? Are you pro choice?

Yes I am pro choice,,,.i am against killing CHILDREN, and that is against the law. Don't confuse a child with a ZEF.

 

[Renee]

I read somewhere that the most humane way of executing a person is by guillotine. It's just the thought of it that's bad.

What about surgically blinding them? This way you don't have to keep them in prison and seeing them walking with a white stick would be a deterrent . I actually heard this on the radio and the host said that is so barbaric. The man then pointed out to the host that the host wants to kill people and what can be more barbaric than that

 

[Renee]

Except unborn babies...

Oh, that's right! They aren't human yet!!

Exactly.....I don't chop down oak trees when they're acorns.

 

[Colorforms]

Yes I am pro choice,,,.i am against killing CHILDREN, and that is against the law. Don't confuse a child with a ZEF.

Sorry, but I have no choice, since both are human beings in various stages of development. You can justify your support for killing a human being by labeling it some thing else. Groups, such as the Nazis, used that tactic to justify the murder of millions. Just give them a nice, convenient category that separartes them from humanity, and let the slaughter begin

 

[Renee]

Sorry, but I have no choice, since both are human beings in various stages of development. You can justify your support for killing a human being by labeling it some thing else. Groups, such as the Nazis, used that tactic to justify the murder of millions. Just give them a nice, convenient category that separartes them from humanity, and let the slaughter begin

Yes, I agree it is a POTENTIAL human being....it is not a human being at all. You are the one labeling it a child. If that was the right term, it would be used in medical training. People call it a baby the same way people call an acorn a tree...both have the potential if left to develop will be become something else.
Comparing it to the nazis is plain stupid....women who terminate pregnancies are not nazi like ...talk about labeling.
I'll tell you what ..most abortions are performed when the fetus weighs a few ounces and is about as large as a pea , why not just remove it and you can dress it in a sailor suit, or so you want women to breed against their will?

 

[Colorforms]

Yes, I agree it is a POTENTIAL human being....it is not a human being at all. You are the one labeling it a child. If that was the right term, it would be used in medical training. People call it a baby the same way people call an acorn a tree...both have the potential if left to develop will be become something else.
Comparing it to the nazis is plain stupid....women who terminate pregnancies are not nazi like ...talk about labeling.
I'll tell you what ..most abortions are performed when the fetus weighs a few ounces and is about as large as a pea , why not just remove it and you can dress it in a sailor suit, or so you want women to breed against their will?

And the justifications begin with you making up my side of the debate. Find me the term "child" in my post, since your srgument seems to revolve around terminology. Are you claiming that a pre-born is not in a stage of human development? That it isn't actually human? Therefore, surely you can dispose of them without a conflict of conscious, since they're less than human.

You just made my point perfectly

 

[Renee]

An embryo is not a p

And the justifications begin with you making up my side of the debate. Find me the term "child" in my post, since your srgument seems to revolve around terminology. Are you claiming that a pre-born is not in a stage of human development? That it isn't actually human? Therefore, surely you can dispose of them without a conflict of conscious, since they're less than human.

You just made my point perfectly

An embryo is not a person, it isn't human being yet. . It is a potential person if the carrier chooses to let it develop it will become a child. . Is a fertilized egg a chicken? Is an acorn an oak tree? You act as though women cheerfully abort, not realizing for most it is a painful decision, both physically and mentally. Don't make the decision for women...it's their bodies, not yours

 

[fairsheet]

And the justifications begin with you making up my side of the debate. Find me the term "child" in my post, since your srgument seems to revolve around terminology. Are you claiming that a pre-born is not in a stage of human development? That it isn't actually human? Therefore, surely you can dispose of them without a conflict of conscious, since they're less than human.

You just made my point perfectly

From a Democrat/societal perspective, abortion and execution are very different from one another as the former involves an individual act and the latter, a collective one.

On the other hand, my Church makes no distinction from a purely qualitative standpoint. Both involve the taking of a human life. But at least up until very recently, that's been a pretty serious credibility problem for my Church. Even as they've stood firm on the idea that both are "sinful", they've gone way overboard in the democratic/societal realm in term of one as compared with the other. There are hopeful signs that that's evolving.

The problem with all of this - again in my opinion - is that it pits one "side" against the other, as each side attempts to rationalize its position. For instance, the pro-lifer who's ambivalent about capital punishment might argue that "it's different" because the fetus is "innocent" and the criminal is not. On the flipside, we have pro-choicers arguing that the fetus absolutely is NOT a human life.

It'd be best if we could evolve ourselves to a position of knowing that both represent life that it's in our interest to work together finding ways of further respecting and honoring those lives.