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degsme said:
I don't think Obama showed poorly. I think he did what he intended to do - come across as cool under fire, repeat his message and not get sucked into Mitts's goading.

Meanwhile Mitt basically refudiated most of his campaign positions in his atacaks. Sure Dems who are frustrated with GOP obstructionism wanted Obama to "Take it To Mitt".... just as the GOP stalwarts wanted Mitt to "take it to Obama".

Mitt chose to do so. And he may have won the "who wone the debate" ratings but I think he lost the war there.


He's now given Obama an excuse to go after him on his flipflops/etch asketching
He's made himself MOre likeable with his core constituency but made no ground with women while Obama did (wave by by to CO)
He's given Axelrod TONS of ammunition for Campaign ads which we are already seeing being previewed in Obama's stump speech.
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Yep just like his new jobs numbers, can't debate so just change the numbers just like Jack Welch said.
 
American Patriot said:
At least Glenn Beck admits his mistakes, Obama has never admitted a mistake ever.
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Taking into consideration Obama's new jobs numbers consider one thing; if the same number of people who were working when Obama took office were still in the work force and had not given up looking for a good job the real unemployment figure would be around 12% then adding to that the number underemployed or those with part time or temporary jobs the unemployment number soars to 17.9%. So look who is lying now, your boy, Obama, who will do anything, say anything, or makeup anything just to get re-elected.
 
Um when has Glenn Beck admitted to mistakes? Please name once.

if the same number of people who were working when Obama took office were still in the work force and had not given up looking for a good job the real unemployment figure would be around 12%
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What was the job loss rate PER MONTH when Obama took office?
How much GDP were we shedding per month?

Simple questions.
 
Well that's a good point BD.. It also set up a bit of an interestning narrative:

Romney can essentially only go down from here
Romney also gave Obama a lot of ammunition for round 2

Obama OTOH basically is likely to "go up"
Obama executed his strategy and the data shows it worked... His positives went up with the core demographics he needs to win.

Romney's positives went up with the demographic he theoretically already has
 
degsme said:
Um when has Glenn Beck admitted to mistakes? Please name once.



What was the job loss rate PER MONTH when Obama took office?
How much GDP were we shedding per month?

Simple questions.
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Ah, how about these:Glenn Beck Finally Admits He's A Liar And Keith Olbermann Is Right ...
www.mediaite.com/.../glenn-beck-finally-admits-hes-a-liar-and-keith...Sep 2, 2010 – Glenn Beck lied and Keith Olbermann caught him last night. ... At least on our side we can admit our mistakes…unlike Bill Clinton, Keith ...
Glenn Beck apology: Admits making 'one of the worst analogies of ...
blog.zap2it.com/.../glenn-beck-apology-admits-making-one-of-the-w...Feb 24, 2011 – Glenn Beck does not have a reputation for admitting mistakes, but after his recent comments on the radio comparing Reform Judaism to Islamic ...


Glenn Beck apologizes to making 'haphazard' and 'ignorant' mistake ...
www.examiner.com/.../glenn-beck-apologizes-to-making-h...

by Ryan Witt - More by Ryan Witt
Feb 24, 2011 – Today Glenn Beck apologized for a comparison he made yesterday ... that these kinds of errors are also more common than Beck likes to admit.
Beck Admits Olbermann Caught Him in 'Egregious Mistake of Fact ...
www.theblaze.com/.../beck-admits-olbermann-caught-him-in-egregio...Sep 3, 2010 – Before we get to the video of Glenn...full disclosure: I was in the room at ... Beck Admits Olbermann Caught Him in 'Egregious Mistake of Fact' ...


You know, I have no clue where you get these false never ending accusations and the twisted and demented spin but it is really getting old. You act as if your ego is writing checks your ass can't cash.

More Follows:

what was the unemployment rate when obama took office - Ask ...
www.ask.com/.../what-was-the-unemployment-rate-when-obama-too...Unemployment in December 2008 (From the US Dept. of Labor) In December, the number of unemployed persons increased by 632000 to 11.1 million and the ...
A brief history of U.S. unemployment - The Washington Post
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/.../us-unemployment-rate-history/A brief look at the U.S. unemployment rate by year from 1948 to 2011 through ... Shortly after Barack Obama took office, Congress passed a nearly $800 billio


Simple questions and here are the simple answers.


You really need to do your homework, we are all not moronic idiots who bask in the quagmire of the Obama spin machine like so many far far far left wing progressive socialists like yourself do.
 
Not one of your links works. Furthermore having Beck "apologize" after he has been fired from his national gig is a bit like Charlie Manson saying that he's reformed now. Note also what Beck is apologizing for: THE COMPARISON - not the omission of facts on a regular basis.

As for unemployment... you are once again leaving off relevant information

Job Losses started in July of 2007 http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth And really job growth was stalled and decreasing by january of 2005 - when the GOP still had control of BOTH Houses and the WH. And this proceeded in an ever accellerating pace peaking at 800,000 jobs lost PER MONTH EVERY MONTH in the two mos before Obama took office IN the month Obama took office it maintained that pace and from the moment that the Stimulus started being spent - Job loss/gain IMPROVED. And it continued to improve until the Stimulus expired in the Summer of 2010. After Which the GOP Filibuster killed the recovery

Simply data. Your "simple questions" leave off that inconvenient time period
GWB_NewJobs.jpg

FACTS MATTER

ALL OF THEM.. not just the cherry picked ones.
 
American Patriot said:
Yep just like his new jobs numbers, can't debate so just change the numbers just like Jack Welch said.
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Jack Welch.. thrice divorced, man who started the whole "cut middle class jobs guy"??

Sure I can debate the jobs numbers.... Because you are taking them out of context. Your implication is somehow that Obama made things worse... WRONG.

The jobs numbers started downwards in Nov/2004/Jan 2005. And accelerated crashing at 800,000 jobs lost per month BEFORE OBAMA TAKES OFFICE.

Once the stimulus passes, Jobs improve AGGRESSIVELY until the Summer of 2010 - when the Stimulus ends and the GOP Filibuster prevents an extension to the stimulus

FACTS MATTER
ALL of them - even the inconvenient ones
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth

So unless Obama is truly a Miracle Magician, there is no way that he was going to undue FOUR YEARS OF GOP CREATED MESS in 18 mos... Particularly when the GOP was doing everything it could to CONTINUE THE MESS.


GWB_NewJobs.jpg
 
degsme said:
Not one of your links works. Furthermore having Beck "apologize" after he has been fired from his national gig is a bit like Charlie Manson saying that he's reformed now. Note also what Beck is apologizing for: THE COMPARISON - not the omission of facts on a regular basis.

As for unemployment... you are once again leaving off relevant information

Job Losses started in July of 2007 http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth And really job growth was stalled and decreasing by january of 2005 - when the GOP still had control of BOTH Houses and the WH. And this proceeded in an ever accellerating pace peaking at 800,000 jobs lost PER MONTH EVERY MONTH in the two mos before Obama took office IN the month Obama took office it maintained that pace and from the moment that the Stimulus started being spent - Job loss/gain IMPROVED. And it continued to improve until the Stimulus expired in the Summer of 2010. After Which the GOP Filibuster killed the recovery

Simply data. Your "simple questions" leave off that inconvenient time period
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FACTS MATTER

ALL OF THEM.. not just the cherry picked ones.
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Funny but my links seem to work just fine for me, maybe you are barred from these web sites as they must know who you are.

Again the same old story, deny, delay, deceive, distract, distort, and blame. Really getting old and it just does not work anymore.
 
More links that don't work. Definitions from conservative sources..

Sorry no.

In Political Economics Socialism means something quite specific: Government Ownership of the means of production.
vs.
Marxism - Worker ownership of the means of production
vs.
Communism - no property ownership whatsoever


So other than name calling, what do you have to support your claims?
 
Um no.. they just don't work... you could try using TinyURL proxy... but its kinda meaningless...

Again, Beck isn't apologizing for lies by omission or any of the lies he committed on national TV...

He's basically grovelling now that he's lost his cash cow national audience. Hardly credible. Its like the 7yo outside the candy store apologizing for things he didn't do, just so that he can be allowed back in the candy store.
 
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