Our Armed Forces and Our Veterans

[American Patriot]

Over 1000 veterans have died because they could not get the health care they had been promised by the VA. Now active service members and reservists are being denyed the ability to defend themselves against Islamic Terror Attacks. Those that have served our nation deserve better and those on active duty deserve the right to defend themselves. The Obama administration seems to be more concerned with trips to Africa than about those who defend our nation. I am a veteran and when I see how our vets are treated it sickens me. Obama could not possibly be more disappointing and he has no idea the sacrifices our armed forces make daily not to mention putting their lives on the line. The VA is a sham and they are so inefficent even getting an appointment takes a major effort. These are the men and women who have fought in combat to defend us from terror and they cannot even get the care they deserve. Active duty members are at great risk, they have become targets of opprotunity for the people Obama seems to adore the Islamic Terrorists. We need to protect these service members and we need to do it now. Isis, the Taliban and the rest of them need to be delt with, the longer we ignore this problem the worse it will get. They have declaired war on us and Obama wants to play patty cake with them. Our veterans are the very reason we enjoy our freedoms and our liberty it has nothing to do with Obama or any of the rest of them in Washington,DC. Veterans dying because they cannot get the care they deserve is not acceptable and Obama needs to do something about it, but he will not because he does not care about our military. Obama is a national disgrace to this nation.

 

[middleview]

Over 1000 veterans have died because they could not get the health care they had been promised by the VA. Now active service members and reservists are being denyed the ability to defend themselves against Islamic Terror Attacks. Those that have served our nation deserve better and those on active duty deserve the right to defend themselves. The Obama administration seems to be more concerned with trips to Africa than about those who defend our nation. I am a veteran and when I see how our vets are treated it sickens me. Obama could not possibly be more disappointing and he has no idea the sacrifices our armed forces make daily not to mention putting their lives on the line. The VA is a sham and they are so inefficent even getting an appointment takes a major effort. These are the men and women who have fought in combat to defend us from terror and they cannot even get the care they deserve. Active duty members are at great risk, they have become targets of opprotunity for the people Obama seems to adore the Islamic Terrorists. We need to protect these service members and we need to do it now. Isis, the Taliban and the rest of them need to be delt with, the longer we ignore this problem the worse it will get. They have declaired war on us and Obama wants to play patty cake with them. Our veterans are the very reason we enjoy our freedoms and our liberty it has nothing to do with Obama or any of the rest of them in Washington,DC. Veterans dying because they cannot get the care they deserve is not acceptable and Obama needs to do something about it, but he will not because he does not care about our military. Obama is a national disgrace to this nation.

Where were you when the VA mess was created? Not a peep out of you until Obama and Shinseki found the problem...that is the falsification of queue times....but the GAO reported there was a problem with long wait times back in 2001...what was done? Nothing. When we had two wars going on , how many new doctors or facilities came on line?

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117855/veterans-affairs-scandal-was-decades-making

Obama is bombing the shit out of ISIS and you think that is paddy cakes?

Your anti-Obama rants are tiresome....

 

[Dawg]

HOOOOAH

 

[American Patriot]

HOOOOAH

That pretty much says it all. Semper Fi.

 

[Jen]

HOOOOAH

Yet.
Obama wants them to hide.
Obama doesn't want to "offend" muslims.
But Obama has no problem offending our military.

 

[Dawg]

CHANGE
WITH
NO
HOPE

 

[American Patriot]

Yet.
Obama wants them to hide.
Obama doesn't want to "offend" muslims.
But Obama has no problem offending our military.

Jen, I am a former US Marine and as such if I were on active duty the last thing I would do is ditch my uniform. I do not hide from my enemies, I earned that uniform and I was proud to wear it and I wore it with pride everywhere I went. Asking Marines to discard their uniform is just like asking them to surrender and they are not going to do that ever. Obama may sell us all out but we the American people will overcome Obama and this Marxist administration. We will not be sold out to Iran or any other rogue nation. Our military are the ones who protect and defend us all, we owe them the respect and dignity they all deserve. They deserve better than Obama.

 

[Jen]

Jen, I am a former US Marine and as such if I were on active duty the last thing I would do is ditch my uniform. I do not hide from my enemies, I earned that uniform and I was proud to wear it and I wore it with pride everywhere I went. Asking Marines to discard their uniform is just like asking them to surrender and they are not going to do that ever. Obama may sell us all out but we the American people will overcome Obama and this Marxist administration. We will not be sold out to Iran or any other rogue nation. Our military are the ones who protect and defend us all, we owe them the respect and dignity they all deserve. They deserve better than Obama.

I hope that's true.
Obama's administration is more pusillanimous than Carter's was and Carter's was disgustingly spineless.

 

[American Patriot]

I hope that's true.
Obama's administration is more pusillanimous than Carter's was and Carter's was disgustingly spineless.

Worms like Obama do not last they rot away. Obama has done more damage to this nation than any single person in our entire history. But Americans are a strong people and they will over come.

 

[Jen]

I agree with you about Obama. He has harmed this nation more than anyone in my life time. I hope you are right about America.

 

[Saladin2]

Under President Obama the Defense Budget has risen to nearly 800 Billion a year counting all Defense programs...Congress is seeking a VA yearly budget of almost 170 Billion Dollars...Both astounding numbers and both far too large...Yet the President apparently hasn't done enough?...................BULLSHIT

 

[American Patriot]

Throwing money at real problems often does not solve these problems. When a large bureuracracy like the VA is so corrupt and inept that inefficency is the norm and it will not change until we get a real leader in our White House. Obama does not care about our military or it's former members. They will go on suffering and many more will die. Our vets are treated very poorly and our active duty members are treated even worse. Their sacrifices and their lives are meaningless to Obama. Obama has done nothing to starighten out the VA, not one person has been held to account. Obama is to blame and he acts like a king and not a president. Obama is not our champion he is our cancer ad he is not worthy of the office he holds.

 

[BitterPill]

Worms like Obama do not last they rot away. Obama has done more damage to this nation than any single person in our entire history. But Americans are a strong people and they will over come.

Obama has been a good president, but his effectiveness has been amplified by the failed president who preceded Obama.

 

[Max R.]

Obama has been a good president, but his effectiveness has been amplified by the failed president who preceded Obama.

Using the same logic, Bush was a good President, but due to the foreign relations failures of Clinton, we were drawn into longest war in our history.

 

[middleview]

I agree with you about Obama. He has harmed this nation more than anyone in my life time. I hope you are right about America.

What harm has Obama done? You guys and you felony assault on political rhetoric make me ill.

The last president lied to start a war. He got 4,500 of our soldiers killed in that war.
The last president thought it was ok to torture captives.
The last president struck back at critics...having them arrested or destroying careers of family members of those who criticized him.
The last president took about 1,000 days of vacation time in 8 years...
The last president left office as 750,000 people per month were losing their jobs.
The last president shrank the economy by 9% in his last year....

But you think this president has harmed the country more than anyone in your lifetime? That would only be true if you were born in 2009.

 

[middleview]

Using the same logic, Bush was a good President, but due to the foreign relations failures of Clinton, we were drawn into longest war in our history.

Except that there are facts related to Bush's policies that show the magnitude of the economic and foreign policy mess he turned over to Obama.

What Clinton decisions can you show that made it mandatory that Bush invade Iraq or even Afghanistan?

By the way....even if Bush hadn't invaded Iraq....the economy still would have been in the toilet by 2009.

 

[Max R.]

What Clinton decisions can you show that made it mandatory that Bush invade Iraq or even Afghanistan?

Nothing is mandatory, even for President Obama.

However, the problems of the Middle East came long before W. came onto the scene, even before Bill Clinton, but Uncle Bill was hip deep in it.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/jun/24/20040624-112921-3401r/
In fact, during President Clinton’s eight years in office, there were at least two official pronouncements of an alarming alliance between Baghdad and al Qaeda. One came from William S. Cohen, Mr. Clinton’s defense secretary. He cited an al Qaeda-Baghdad link to justify the bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan.

....Shortly after the embassy bombings, Mr. Clinton ordered air strikes on al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and on the Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.

To justify the Sudanese plant as a target, Clinton aides said it was involved in the production of deadly VX nerve gas. Officials further determined that bin Laden owned a stake in the operation and that its manager had traveled to Baghdad to learn bomb-making techniques from Saddam’s weapons scientists.

Mr. Cohen elaborated in March in testimony before the September 11 commission.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)
About 75 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired by the U.S. into the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan at four Afghan training camps:

• Al Farouq training camp
• Muawai camp run by the Pakistani Harkat-ul-Mujahideen to train militants to fight Indian troops in Kashmir[11][12]
• Training camp in the Jarawah area near Khost
• Zhawar Kili al-Badr which was directed by bin Laden, and known to be a meeting place for leaders.[13][14]

The attack was made partly in an attempt to assassinate bin Laden and other leaders.[15] After the attack, the CIA heard that bin Laden had been at Zhawar Kili al-Badr but had left some hours before the missiles hit.[16]

The earlier arrest of Mohammed Odeh on August 7 while traveling to meet with Osama, is said to have alerted bin Laden, who canceled the meeting which meant that the camps targeted by the cruise missiles were mainly empty the day of the U.S. strike.[17]

According to Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid, 20 Afghans, seven Pakistanis, three Yemenis, two Egyptians, one Saudi and one Turk were killed.[11] Abu Jandal later estimated that only six men had been killed in the strikes.[1] The only confirmed death in the strikes was Egyptian-Canadian Amr Hamed. Osama bin Laden jokingly told militants at the al-Jihad merger that only a few camels and chickens had died.[18] ISI director Hamid Gul later claimed that "half the missiles fell in Pakistani territory, killing two Pakistani citizens."[19] According to Mark J. Roberts, "several ISI officers were killed in the attack."[20]

U.S. President Bill Clinton announced the attacks in a TV address, saying the Khost camp was "one of the most active terrorist bases in the world,"[21] adding that "I want the world to understand that our actions today were not aimed against Islam" which he called "a great religion."[22]

The failure of the cruise missiles to eliminate their targets would lead to an acceleration in the American program to developunmanned combat air vehicles.[23] Reportedly, some of the unexploded missiles were sold by bin Laden "to China for more than $10 million."

 

[middleview]

Nothing is mandatory, even for President Obama.

However, the problems of the Middle East came long before W. came onto the scene, even before Bill Clinton, but Uncle Bill was hip deep in it.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/jun/24/20040624-112921-3401r/
In fact, during President Clinton’s eight years in office, there were at least two official pronouncements of an alarming alliance between Baghdad and al Qaeda. One came from William S. Cohen, Mr. Clinton’s defense secretary. He cited an al Qaeda-Baghdad link to justify the bombing of a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan.

....Shortly after the embassy bombings, Mr. Clinton ordered air strikes on al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and on the Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.

To justify the Sudanese plant as a target, Clinton aides said it was involved in the production of deadly VX nerve gas. Officials further determined that bin Laden owned a stake in the operation and that its manager had traveled to Baghdad to learn bomb-making techniques from Saddam’s weapons scientists.

Mr. Cohen elaborated in March in testimony before the September 11 commission.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)
About 75 Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired by the U.S. into the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan at four Afghan training camps:

• Al Farouq training camp
• Muawai camp run by the Pakistani Harkat-ul-Mujahideen to train militants to fight Indian troops in Kashmir[11][12]
• Training camp in the Jarawah area near Khost
• Zhawar Kili al-Badr which was directed by bin Laden, and known to be a meeting place for leaders.[13][14]

The attack was made partly in an attempt to assassinate bin Laden and other leaders.[15] After the attack, the CIA heard that bin Laden had been at Zhawar Kili al-Badr but had left some hours before the missiles hit.[16]

The earlier arrest of Mohammed Odeh on August 7 while traveling to meet with Osama, is said to have alerted bin Laden, who canceled the meeting which meant that the camps targeted by the cruise missiles were mainly empty the day of the U.S. strike.[17]

According to Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid, 20 Afghans, seven Pakistanis, three Yemenis, two Egyptians, one Saudi and one Turk were killed.[11] Abu Jandal later estimated that only six men had been killed in the strikes.[1] The only confirmed death in the strikes was Egyptian-Canadian Amr Hamed. Osama bin Laden jokingly told militants at the al-Jihad merger that only a few camels and chickens had died.[18] ISI director Hamid Gul later claimed that "half the missiles fell in Pakistani territory, killing two Pakistani citizens."[19] According to Mark J. Roberts, "several ISI officers were killed in the attack."[20]

U.S. President Bill Clinton announced the attacks in a TV address, saying the Khost camp was "one of the most active terrorist bases in the world,"[21] adding that "I want the world to understand that our actions today were not aimed against Islam" which he called "a great religion."[22]

The failure of the cruise missiles to eliminate their targets would lead to an acceleration in the American program to developunmanned combat air vehicles.[23] Reportedly, some of the unexploded missiles were sold by bin Laden "to China for more than $10 million."

Do you have a point?

By the way....just to show how bad a source the WashTimes is....they say Bin Laden left the camp because of the August 7th arrest of Mohammed Odeh...it also says Bin Laden left the camp hours before the strike....On top of the use of comments like "reportedly some of the missiles were sold to China"....reported by whom?

Can't you find a source other than one owned by some wacky church?

 

[Max R.]

Do you have a point?

Yes, your bullshit line of "Bush lied" is just buying into a meme and skews the reality of the situation. It's like blaming 9/11 on Bush because it happened on his watch even though Middle Eastern terrorism has existed for several decades.

 

[middleview]

Yes, your bullshit line of "Bush lied" is just buying into a meme and skews the reality of the situation. It's like blaming 9/11 on Bush because it happened on his watch even though Middle Eastern terrorism has existed for several decades.

So when the administration started talking up the "smoking gun/mushroom cloud" stuff they weren't lying? When Bush said Saddam had acquired aluminum tubes that could only be used for a centrifuge to purify yellowcake...he wasn't lying? When Rumsfeld said "We know where the WMDs are"....he wasn't lying? When Cheney said that we knew that Saddam had a hand in Al Qaeda's efforts...he wasn't lying?

The lies don't end there....

Bush lied....In fact the invasion of Iraq made the instability of the middle east substantially worse.