Overpopulation

[Boltlady]

Many more powerful people are now coming out with the idea that there needs to be serious cutbacks in the world population. More scientists are admitting that they've been aware that GMO foods are heavily affecting birthrates and yes, death rates, but they're OK with that because they believe we have too many people. Bill Gates has stated publicly that he believes that the world population should be cut back by 90%. He does his part by providing vaccines that are not exactly what they're purported to be.

With all of this, I've heard almost nothing about what it would take to actually feed everybody.

Has anybody been to a buffet lately? People leave substantial amounts of food on a plate, shove it aside and then go and get another full plate. Given the number of buffets in this country, that's a lot of wasted food. The regular service restaurants aren't any better. They usually hand out portions that are way beyond what normal people can eat, or should eat and much of that winds up going to waste. Even the fast food places are legally supposed to throw food away that has sat out for more than X number of minutes.

The super markets throw away large amounts of food that are past date or are no longer appealing. The farmers themselves dispose of that which is too bruised or blemished to fetch good prices. These are but some examples of flagrant waste and I'm sure that you can think of many more. I'm not familiar with what is done in other countries but I suspect that we're not alone in all of this.

There could be all sorts of redistribution figured out.

Of course there are the farm lands themselves. We know that the weather patterns are changing. What would be wrong with creating pipelines that could carry water from known flood areas to arid or potential drought areas? It would allow for a whole lot more food to be grown.

In the meantime, countries could better educate their people on the practicality of smaller families. People could make their own family size choices instead of having it made for them by way of GMO foods, wars, vaccines and many of the other methods being covertly used now to limit populations.

How come killing people seems to be the only solution that gets offered?

 

[Hmmmm]

More scientists are admitting that they've been aware that GMO foods are heavily affecting birthrates and yes, death rates, but they're OK with that because they believe we have too many people.?

Are the birth rates falling and death rates increasing due to GMO? Hmmmm, scientists are actively/willing to let fewer people be born and people die sooner? Do you have any sources?

Bill Gates has stated publicly that he believes that the world population should be cut back by 90%. He does his part by providing vaccines that are not exactly what they're purported to be.

So, what exactly do these vaccines that Bill Gates is offering do? What is their real purpose? Sources?

How come killing people seems to be the only solution that gets offered?

Who is offering killing people as a solution? Sources?

... other methods being covertly used now to limit populations.

What other methods? Where? By whom? Sources?

In the meantime, countries could better educate their people on the practicality of smaller families.

Is it your opinion that NOBODY is providing birth control education? Is the education being provided inadequate? Is it wrong?

 

[Boltlady]

To Hmmmm, right now I have very little time to track things down but the following is one to your first question. Granted, it's only from one scientist but so much has been written lately about how dangerous GMO's are that I would have thought that you might have read some of it on your own.

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/biotech-scientist-its-awesome-that-gmos.html

Later, when I can can I'll address some of the others and/or give a whole lot more links on the GMO situation.

 

[Hmmmm]

So, the GMOs themselves aren't being show to reduce birth rates or shorten lifespans. The pesiticides used on GMOs, and other crops, appear to be the culprit. That I can buy; pesiticides are nasty business. Pesticides are a known problem with even conventional crops and this is not new news. GMOs may allow for higher pesticide contributions but the solution seems to be to reduce pesticide use which has been hotly debated since long before the world heard of genetically modified crops.

Other than the one quote from an e-mail sent by some unidentified person, I don't see where scientists are trying to kill people. It actually seems that they are trying to save starving people in areas where crop production have been low due to environmental conditions by making plants more draught and pest resistant.

I think Bill Gates is making an honest attemp to help people. The effectiveness and long term effects of his, and others, efforts is debatable.

 

[Dino]

Seems like Gates thought reproduction control could best be used to reduce the world's population by 10%..not 90.


"The world today has 6.8 billion people... that's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."



Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/029911_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html#ixzz296yIuMBo

 

[jammer]

Boltlady: "How come killing people seems to be the only solution that gets offered?"

Maybe because you rightwingers don't want people to use contraceptives or learn about human sexuality?

Many supermarkets give older produce that can still be used to food pantries or soup kitchens, but they have to be careful about spoiled food and lawsuits. As for farmers, most use their damaged produce to feed livestock, which in turn they can sell to the markets.

Who is going to pay for all this "redistribution" BL? The conservatives? Not hardly, they would just as soon see the poor strave.

As for GMOs, the World health Organization had this to say:

"GM foods currently available on the international market have passed risk assessments and are not likely to present risks for human health. In addition, no effects on human health have been shown as a result of the consumption of such foods by the general population in the countries where they have been approved. Continuous use of risk assessments based on the Codex principles and, where appropriate, including post market monitoring, should form the basis for evaluating the safety of GM foods."

Did I read it correctly? You are really accusing the Bill Gates Foundation of killing masses of people with fake vaccines? Really? You definetely belong in the alternate reality universe of the far rightwinger nutjobs.

 

[Dino]

Conservatives are such failures...you know how many Americans die of starvation each year? Apparently not.

 

[jammer]

Conservatives are such failures...you know how many Americans die of starvation each year? Apparently not.

Reading disorder still in place I see. No one said huge numbers of people were starving to death, just starving from lack of adequate amounts of food.

(The number for America is somewhere between 20 and 120 annually)

 

[Boltlady]

Seems like Gates thought reproduction control could best be used to reduce the world's population by 10%..not 90.


"The world today has 6.8 billion people... that's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."



Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/029911_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html#ixzz296yIuMBo

You're right Dino, I did get that one backwards. There are other things that clarify his position on depopulation a lot better but I've decided that a lot of beliefs are so ingrained that discussion becomes so time consuming that I really don't don't have time for much.

 

[gabriel]

Many more powerful people are now coming out with the idea that there needs to be serious cutbacks in the world population. More scientists are admitting that they've been aware that GMO foods are heavily affecting birthrates and yes, death rates, but they're OK with that because they believe we have too many people. Bill Gates has stated publicly that he believes that the world population should be cut back by 90%. He does his part by providing vaccines that are not exactly what they're purported to be.

With all of this, I've heard almost nothing about what it would take to actually feed everybody.

Has anybody been to a buffet lately? People leave substantial amounts of food on a plate, shove it aside and then go and get another full plate. Given the number of buffets in this country, that's a lot of wasted food. The regular service restaurants aren't any better. They usually hand out portions that are way beyond what normal people can eat, or should eat and much of that winds up going to waste. Even the fast food places are legally supposed to throw food away that has sat out for more than X number of minutes.

The super markets throw away large amounts of food that are past date or are no longer appealing. The farmers themselves dispose of that which is too bruised or blemished to fetch good prices. These are but some examples of flagrant waste and I'm sure that you can think of many more. I'm not familiar with what is done in other countries but I suspect that we're not alone in all of this.

There could be all sorts of redistribution figured out.

Of course there are the farm lands themselves. We know that the weather patterns are changing. What would be wrong with creating pipelines that could carry water from known flood areas to arid or potential drought areas? It would allow for a whole lot more food to be grown.

In the meantime, countries could better educate their people on the practicality of smaller families. People could make their own family size choices instead of having it made for them by way of GMO foods, wars, vaccines and many of the other methods being covertly used now to limit populations.

How come killing people seems to be the only solution that gets offered?

because its the cheapest method

 

[fairsheet]

Boltlady: "How come killing people seems to be the only solution that gets offered?"

Maybe because you rightwingers don't want people to use contraceptives or learn about human sexuality?

Many supermarkets give older produce that can still be used to food pantries or soup kitchens, but they have to be careful about spoiled food and lawsuits. As for farmers, most use their damaged produce to feed livestock, which in turn they can sell to the markets.

Who is going to pay for all this "redistribution" BL? The conservatives? Not hardly, they would just as soon see the poor strave.

As for GMOs, the World health Organization had this to say:

"GM foods currently available on the international market have passed risk assessments and are not likely to present risks for human health. In addition, no effects on human health have been shown as a result of the consumption of such foods by the general population in the countries where they have been approved. Continuous use of risk assessments based on the Codex principles and, where appropriate, including post market monitoring, should form the basis for evaluating the safety of GM foods."

Did I read it correctly? You are really accusing the Bill Gates Foundation of killing masses of people with fake vaccines? Really? You definetely belong in the alternate reality universe of the far rightwinger nutjobs.

GMO-fear is proof that the right-fringesters aren't alone, in their need for solutions (causes) in search of problems.

 

[Wahbooz]

So, the GMOs themselves aren't being show to reduce birth rates or shorten lifespans. The pesiticides used on GMOs, and other crops, appear to be the culprit. That I can buy; pesiticides are nasty business. Pesticides are a known problem with even conventional crops and this is not new news. GMOs may allow for higher pesticide contributions but the solution seems to be to reduce pesticide use which has been hotly debated since long before the world heard of genetically modified crops.

Other than the one quote from an e-mail sent by some unidentified person, I don't see where scientists are trying to kill people. It actually seems that they are trying to save starving people in areas where crop production have been low due to environmental conditions by making plants more draught and pest resistant.

I think Bill Gates is making an honest attemp to help people. The effectiveness and long term effects of his, and others, efforts is debatable.

Always remember that it takes time for a cause and effect to materialize, just like with medications. And we still don't know that much about genetics. As a native person I am concerned about attempts to genetically modify Wild Rice (Manoomin). Another thing to take into consideration are the law suits Monsanto had going in Canada, when they rented land to test some of their genetically modified grains. Naturally some of the seed was spread by winds, and Monsanto took this opportunity to sue and extract money from farmers where some of that seed took root in their fields. This may not have become common knowledge here, but it was all over the Canadian airwaves.

But I am concerned with the outcome of pesticides and chemical fertilizers, as well as the mixing of pesticides, fertilizers, and genetically modified foods.

But I wouldn't take too much stock in conspiracy theories. Why would they want to kill people, when they can kill them off in their neverending wars.

 

[NightSwimmer]

With all of this, I've heard almost nothing about what it would take to actually feed everybody.

Genetically modified crops are part of the solution. The "research" that you cite is bogus and has been thoroughly debunked. Your vaccine paranoia is just that -- paranoia.

 

[Wahbooz]

Genetically modified crops are part of the solution. The "research" that you cite is bogus and has been thoroughly debunked. Your vaccine paranoia is just that -- paranoia.

While I don't agree with conspiracy theories, I am not so sure genetically modified crops, or any other genetically modified foods, are necessarily part of the solution. Why? Just one simple example, Prevacid. Prevacid is supposed to be the answer for those people who get heartburn, but Prevacid also leads to other problems in users. Bone density loss, rhinitis, pharyngitis, chronic bronchitis, and a laundry list of other problems. Something as simple as altering ones diet can aleviate 'heartburn', but instead doctors push products like Prevacid.

I think it'll be many generations before there is a conclusive answer whether genetically modified foods are safe or not.

 

[Queen Titania]

Genetically modified crops are part of the solution. The "research" that you cite is bogus and has been thoroughly debunked. Your vaccine paranoia is just that -- paranoia.

The one thing I learnt in the Vaccine Saga on Slate was how no one in the Pharm industry and all related industries interconnect ....... each in their little unite of research never connect with other little unites of research because almost all of the research is for business first and therefore for profit first.
There is no facility to interconnect within any of these industries and there in are the faults.

I don't care if they are purposely set up so or not, this is the fault of all the Natural Philosphys now, they are fragmented so much as to be divorced. Not whole. No one from within can see the whole picture only from the outside is that possible.

 

[Queen Titania]

While I don't agree with conspiracy theories, I am not so sure genetically modified crops, or any other genetically modified foods, are necessarily part of the solution. Why? Just one simple example, Prevacid. Prevacid is supposed to be the answer for those people who get heartburn, but Prevacid also leads to other problems in users. Bone density loss, rhinitis, pharyngitis, chronic bronchitis, and a laundry list of other problems. Something as simple as altering ones diet can aleviate 'heartburn', but instead doctors push products like Prevacid.

I think it'll be many generations before there is a conclusive answer whether genetically modified foods are safe or not.

The biggest 'conspiricy' is that Big Pharma and all it's relatives is a Mafia type Industry. they want it all. I lived near Brussels for many years and saw real Mafia type 'Wars' going on with the Animal Hormone mafioso, Politicians were shot dead, Farmers all over Europe had a miserable time ...... it was very frightening for a couple of years. That is what Foot and Mouth was all about in Britain, Poor deseased beasts were bought in and trailed from farm to farm. Enough to allow the Gov to close off the countryside and shoot all beasts other than in the 'home counties' deseased or not. It was horrendous. And it was 'Mafia' . Few decent farmers survived it even fewer small farmers..


The Genetically modified Crops which do not germinate are the biggest danger.. Plus they are 'built' to grow on 'nothing' which means they are 'nothing'. They are a circle of special seed, special pesticde, special fertizer, even more special seed, even ore powerful pesticide, even more powerful fertilizer, pesticide and fertilizers more and more toxic and deadly to bees and family. Intensive farming is Lazy and un natural too ...............they will all fail at some point.
Out of them in a round about way we might eventually find a way of cleaning up DU and such like .............but 'they' are so iffy on so many levels as to be a risk not worth taking.

 

[Boltlady]

Always remember that it takes time for a cause and effect to materialize, just like with medications. And we still don't know that much about genetics. As a native person I am concerned about attempts to genetically modify Wild Rice (Manoomin). Another thing to take into consideration are the law suits Monsanto had going in Canada, when they rented land to test some of their genetically modified grains. Naturally some of the seed was spread by winds, and Monsanto took this opportunity to sue and extract money from farmers where some of that seed took root in their fields. This may not have become common knowledge here, but it was all over the Canadian airwaves.

But I am concerned with the outcome of pesticides and chemical fertilizers, as well as the mixing of pesticides, fertilizers, and genetically modified foods.

But I wouldn't take too much stock in conspiracy theories. Why would they want to kill people, when they can kill them off in their neverending wars.

Wahbooz, as a native American I'm sure that you will appreciate what I am about to say about GM foods. It has everything to do with the natural order of things.

Some years back I was very much into listening to what some very fine holistic doctors had to say about food and nature's designs for our assimilation of them. Most people do not realize that the nutrients in raw natural foods are chelated so that the body can make the best use of the order in which they are presented to it. When that order is changed it can cause unknown bacteria and viruses to form in addition to the fact that the body is not able to fully utilize the nutrients that are there. That is in addition to the pesticides, etc. that are incorporated in them. The 'tests' that we're presented with are done by the same people who manufacture the products. There is so much to learn from molecular biology that the 'medical establishment' refuses to recognize.

Back when Linus Pauling was trying to get through to that 'medical establishment' about the value of vitamin C they tried so many ways to completely discredit him because he wasn't one of 'theirs'. Of course he was an active professor until his death at age 93 (I believe it was) which meant that he had outlived almost all of his detractors. Even now there are those who don't fully understand how anti-oxidants really work.

As far as killing people with the never ending wars, the PNAC stated on line that it wanted to eliminate some 2/3 to 75% of the world's population. There are many sources out there that advocate getting rid of vast percentages of the people in the world. That adds up to an awful lot of people and would require more ways than just wars can provide.

If you read my post about psychopaths and read the link that I provided, it becomes easier to understand that many of the things that go on are not conspiracy theories. They are just actions that the majority of us cannot relate to, or the people who would perform them.

BTW, I am familar with the cases of the farmers in Canada and those lawsuits. From what I've read, Monsanto is still at it.

 

[Queen Titania]

A grain, a sort of squash and a form of sweet potatoe, rotated in their placing was the basic natural way of the American indiginous peoples farming, I believe. The rest was gathered and hunted for, if I remember rightly.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Genetically modified crops are part of the solution. The "research" that you cite is bogus and has been thoroughly debunked. Your vaccine paranoia is just that -- paranoia.

Methinks there should be a pseudo-science forum on Political Jack.

 

[Queen Titania]

Methinks there should be a pseudo-science forum on Political Jack.

Lets call it Natural Philosophy.